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Post by Envie on Jun 23, 2016 16:14:57 GMT -5
She can put the blame on stannis. But with Mel out of the equation, stannis would never ever in a million years consider burning his daughter. So I think its both their faults. Yeah I've seen arguments that Melisandre was following what Stannis ordered but I don't buy that. She convinced him it was the only way to win the battle and she was wrong. Selyse was as much at fault going along with it but at least she realized her huge mistake at the end. Too late of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 16:17:44 GMT -5
She can put the blame on stannis. But with Mel out of the equation, stannis would never ever in a million years consider burning his daughter. So I think its both their faults. Yeah I've seen arguments that Melisandre was following what Stannis ordered but I don't buy that. She convinced him it was the only way to win the battle and she was wrong. Selyse was as much at fault going along with it but at least she realized her huge mistake at the end. Too late of course. yeah she wasn't following orders so much as she finally got permission to do something she's been thinking was important for a while.
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Post by Envie on Jun 23, 2016 16:22:07 GMT -5
Yeah I've seen arguments that Melisandre was following what Stannis ordered but I don't buy that. She convinced him it was the only way to win the battle and she was wrong. Selyse was as much at fault going along with it but at least she realized her huge mistake at the end. Too late of course. yeah she wasn't following orders so much as she finally got permission to do something she's been thinking was important for a while. The curious puzzle now is, what does Melisandre think after her failures and her successes? She's obviously much quieter and less arrogant now as we've seen, but has she realized her mistakes and thinks differently about her God now? We've gotten absolutely nothing from her since Jon's resurrection other than the short conversation she and Jon had before the battle for Winterfell. She said she doesn't have power, only what's given to her so I think perhaps she realizes now how wrong she was in how she interpreted things. If she can talk about this convincingly enough to Jon and Davos, then there's good chance Jon won't let Davos kill her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 16:28:57 GMT -5
yeah she wasn't following orders so much as she finally got permission to do something she's been thinking was important for a while. The curious puzzle now is, what does Melisandre think after her failures and her successes? She's obviously much quieter and less arrogant now as we've seen, but has she realized her mistakes and thinks differently about her God now? We've gotten absolutely nothing from her since Jon's resurrection other than the short conversation she and Jon had before the battle for Winterfell. She said she doesn't have power, only what's given to her so I think perhaps she realizes now how wrong she was in how she interpreted things. If she can talk about this convincingly enough to Jon and Davos, then there's good chance Jon won't let Davos kill her. I think that little smile she had on the battlements of winterfell were the beginnings of a return to her former self. Perhaps a little more aware than she was before about who she is and her god. And now she has more purpose because she thinks Jon is azor ahai reborn
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jun 23, 2016 20:22:59 GMT -5
Battle of the Bastards still has a 10/10 on IMDB with 87,863 votes. Holy shit!
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Post by Diablotion on Jun 24, 2016 3:59:05 GMT -5
Battle of the Bastards still has a 10/10 on IMDB with 87,863 votes. Holy shit! Best. Episode. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 4:10:13 GMT -5
Battle of the Bastards still has a 10/10 on IMDB with 87,863 votes. Holy shit! Best. Episode. Ever. It's certainly my new favorite. There's been better written, more emotionally impactful episodes (Baelor, Rains of Castamere, etc), but BotB is a cinematic masterpiece. And a rare episode where all our "good guys" have big wins. We waited a long time to see the slavers and Ramsay get their comeuppance, and it was immensely satisfying.
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Post by Diablotion on Jun 24, 2016 4:14:13 GMT -5
It's certainly my new favorite. There's been better written, more emotionally impactful episodes (Baelor, Rains of Castamere, etc), but BotB is a cinematic masterpiece. And a rare episode where all our "good guys" have big wins. We waited a long time to see the slavers and Ramsay get there comeuppance, and it was immensely satisfying. Precisely. My top 3 are 1. BotB 2. Rains of Castamere and 3. Baelor. The raw emotion in Baelor and Rains of Castamere is so heartbreaking. This one was not a heartbreaking episode, but just like you said, a triumph for the "good guys" and we have been waiting for this so long and it feels so good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:21:07 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the actors get to choose their sigils themselves.
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Post by moiaf on Jun 24, 2016 10:23:40 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the actors get to choose their sigils themselves. Do they? Oh then I guess Kit is the one trolling.
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Post by Envie on Jun 24, 2016 12:59:43 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the actors get to choose their sigils themselves. Do they? Oh then I guess Kit is the one trolling. If this is Kit's idea of cute/funny ... then I just fell in love with the boy man all over again. Well done sir!
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 24, 2016 13:46:20 GMT -5
Fuck everybody over there hating on this. This is amazing.
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Post by moiaf on Jun 24, 2016 13:48:18 GMT -5
Fuck everybody over there hating on this. This is amazing. Why are they hating on it? This looks great.
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Post by Envie on Jun 24, 2016 13:49:22 GMT -5
I don't know how you could hate on that, it's very true to the symbolism and irony of the death that played out. It's beautiful.
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