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Post by day dreamer on Jul 14, 2016 18:44:54 GMT -5
Where does everyone see Bran going post Dance With Dragons? Before we found out what's going to eventually happen to Hodor in the books, I didn't think Bran would leave that cave or return from beyond the Wall, but now I don't see that being the case. So what's in store for him? To go back to Winterfel? Will he be the Lord and a powerful greenseer? Does he marry, have children, or pass it on to another sibling in favor of greenseeing? I think it was ladystoneboobs who brought up a lot of great quotes about Bran being the Stark in Winterfell and helping rebuild it. What do you all think?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 21:37:35 GMT -5
I would like for Bran to be the Lord of Winterfell when it's all said and done. Many paraplegics can still have children can't they? The ideal ending for me would be a jump many years into the future where Bran is married to Meera and has children with her. I really hope the final chapter of the series is Bran. It all started with him, it should finish with him.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 14, 2016 22:13:28 GMT -5
I would like for Bran to be the Lord of Winterfell when it's all said and done. Many paraplegics can still have children can't they? The ideal ending for me would be a jump many years into the future where Bran is married to Meera and has children with her. I really hope the final chapter of the series is Bran. It all started with him, it should finish with him. They can, I work with two that have children. (and one that's very candid about it. lol) Bran and Meera could have children named Walder (for Hodor) and Jojen I would like Bran to be the Lord of Winterfell too, now that I'm more optimistic on his future. I've always thought he'll have the final chapter in the series.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 25, 2016 11:02:40 GMT -5
Also, Bran has magic powers and most of the characters in this series should have died several times over. If we can suspend disbelief on all of those points, it's not a huge leap if Ned's wrong about whether Bran can get a boner. What annoys me is that people assume sterility means he can't be lord/king in the first place when all it really means is that his siblings would be his heirs. If Rickon was actually a relevant character instead of a shaggydog story, then his role should have been as Bran's successor, not his substitute as KitN (as people wrongly assumed all this time when they thought Rickon had a purpose) and if people are right in their assumptions about Bran's disability then Sansa would still have a chance to be QitN in future if she outlived him. I wouldn't have an issue with Bran choosing to abdicate his claim after all he's been through, but I do take issue with rooting for him to do so or assuming it's a foregone conclusion. A year ago believing Bran would leave the cave was treated as a fringe position so one would think it a big deal when that position was vindicated, but for most people their thinking hasn't re-adjusted beyond thinking Bran will be just a crippled non-lord somewhere other than that particular cave.
Until such time as he actually does abdicate, I KNOW NO KING BUT THE KING IN THE NORTH WHOSE NAME IS BRANDON STARK.
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Post by izzue on Aug 25, 2016 13:51:44 GMT -5
Those of you from QI have heard me say this ad nauseum, that the Bran III Chapter (#17) from AGOT, containing Bran's coma-dream, is a forecast of what I think may be the most important key to the series. As Bran falls and is flooded with visions of real people and events, the crow badgers him, and at the point quoted below, aggressively forces Bran's attention back to what's ultimately important. Bran remembers Jaime's face and screams, but the crow shrieks:
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Post by wizzthesmith on Jan 21, 2017 19:00:51 GMT -5
Where does everyone see Bran going post Dance With Dragons? Before we found out what's going to eventually happen to Hodor in the books, I didn't think Bran would leave that cave or return from beyond the Wall, but now I don't see that being the case. So what's in store for him? To go back to Winterfel? Will he be the Lord and a powerful greenseer? Does he marry, have children, or pass it on to another sibling in favor of greenseeing? I think it was ladystoneboobs who brought up a lot of great quotes about Bran being the Stark in Winterfell and helping rebuild it. What do you all think? I do like the idea that Bran could be the Lord of Winterfell and a powerful greenseer to boot, but I'm not sure that's how it will go. The promise of a bittersweet ending has me on my guard! But to ignore that for a second, my research into the hollow hills has shown there is a possibility that there may be more weirwood thrones in caverns below some of the castles up and down Westeros. These castles include Winterfell, so if he was to return, lead, and greensee then he has the potential for magic caves/caverns and a weirwood throne/tangle of roots to sit, giving access to the weirnet.
Although that could be miles away, so what about Bran when we are all reading TWOW? [whenever it comes out] How many POV's can we expect? I personally think we will get very few Bran chapters, maybe as little as two or three, looking at his training and visions. He will know too much! I can only see George drip feeding what we need to know. Although I do think we will see Bran elsewhere.
In the weirwood trees for a start, we have already seen that, George flat out tells us Theon thinks the Winterfell tree looks like Bran in ADWD. The elements are tools of the greenseers as well, the mist we know Bloodraven is rumoured to be able to control, but the wind is also something Grrm seems to be using as a vehicle for greenseer interference/watching. As early as the AGOT prologue we have the wind described as 'whispering through trees and making Royce's cloak seem like something half-alive.'
Whispering through trees is exactly what Bloodraven does, although never heard when looking at family [but the Ghost of HH has the weirwoods 'whisper to her in her dreams' which sounds very much like BR] Plus the half-alive reference describes his appearance perfectly. Later the wind is described as cutting like a 'knife' and blowing the snow into their faces making them 'half-blind'. Bloodraven was knifed in the eye by Bittersteel making him half-blind etc.... There are a load of instances where the wind seems to show some sort of agency/inhabitant and rarely can we identify the presence, but these are examples of how we may go about it.
So what about Bran? He has a lot of bird symbolism, his name literally means crow/raven in Gaelic, so that's one thing. But also his major experiences, something that we can actually relate directly to Bran. I think we may have actually seen 'Bran in the wind' in the latter parts of ADWD, after his last chapter.
This is Jon VII ADWD, looking for bird symbolism and Bran type clues around the wind..........
We have the bird symbolism with the 'white plumes - flying from the highest branches - and flapping noisily' [the ravens flap noisily often] But then we get wind associated with being 'pushed off a wall' and 'not getting the knack of flying'. Being 'pushed off the wall' needs no explanation, but the struggling to learn the knack of flying may be a little more obscure. The previous chapter was Bran III ADWD, his last in the series. And in that chapter he really did struggle to master the knack of flying, when he crashed into the cavern wall on his first attempt at skinchanging that very forgiving raven.
So I feel we can search for Bran in the creatures, trees, mist, and definitely the wind. Anything greenseer related basically, caves, dreams, weirwood stumps etc.... Me thinks he will be nowhere, yet everywhere, if you catch my drift.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jan 23, 2017 0:57:31 GMT -5
Where does everyone see Bran going post Dance With Dragons? Before we found out what's going to eventually happen to Hodor in the books, I didn't think Bran would leave that cave or return from beyond the Wall, but now I don't see that being the case. So what's in store for him? To go back to Winterfel? Will he be the Lord and a powerful greenseer? Does he marry, have children, or pass it on to another sibling in favor of greenseeing? I think it was ladystoneboobs who brought up a lot of great quotes about Bran being the Stark in Winterfell and helping rebuild it. What do you all think? I do like the idea that Bran could be the Lord of Winterfell and a powerful greenseer to boot, but I'm not sure that's how it will go. The promise of a bittersweet ending has me on my guard! But to ignore that for a second, my research into the hollow hills has shown there is a possibility that there may be more weirwood thrones in caverns below some of the castles up and down Westeros. These castles include Winterfell, so if he was to return, lead, and greensee then he has the potential for magic caves/caverns and a weirwood throne/tangle of roots to sit, giving access to the weirnet. I know that Luwin telling Theon there were secret ways into and out of Winterfell, but isn't it generally thought that there are secret underground passages in book!Winterfell? Bran II AGoT details the secret ways that only he knows to get around and the weird way Winterfell was built, so I have seen it theorized that Bran the Builder never leveled the ground because he was building over a hill cave system.
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Post by wizzthesmith on Jan 24, 2017 18:28:34 GMT -5
I know that Luwin telling Theon there were secret ways into and out of Winterfell, but isn't it generally thought that there are secret underground passages in book!Winterfell? Bran II AGoT details the secret ways that only he knows to get around and the weird way Winterfell was built, so I have seen it theorized that Bran the Builder never leveled the ground because he was building over a hill cave system. Hi ladystoneboobs. That theory you speak of may have been mine. I have it in the book essay section titled 'Caves are timeless: Hollow hills, magic castles and greenseers'. As you say, I propose that Brandon the Builder built Winterfell above a hollow hill/cave system so as to best harness the magic to be found in the caverns below, just as the two greenseers Bloodraven and Bran do in their hollow hill. The only other hollow hill we visit in the series also has a 'paralleled' greenseer sitting a weirwood throne in Beric. So it looks like George is telling us that perhaps all the greenseers sit their weirwood thrones in these dark caverns below the hollow hills. Well after some research I found that there are loads of castles built on hollow hills, seemingly set up to best harness this greenseer magic. But more importantly for this thread, that Winterfell is one of these hollow hills and we have the long forgotten lower levels of the crypts which surely leads to more caverns/tunnels. Perhaps that tangle of weirwood roots forming some sort of a throne for a greenseer to sit and surf the weirnet?
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Post by Sarah on Nov 28, 2019 9:22:38 GMT -5
Personally, I see his ending being the same as in the show. He deserves that more than anyone else. Although I ship him with Shireen *it's a personal preference, don't try to talk me out of it.*
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Post by nikma on Nov 30, 2019 15:24:57 GMT -5
His ending will be the same. Benioff already said that GRRM told them Bran will be king at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 23:01:49 GMT -5
His ending will be the same. Benioff already said that GRRM told them Bran will be king at the end. Lets just hope if GRRM ever bothers to finish the books he’ll come up with a better reason than “he has the best stories”
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Post by nikma on Dec 5, 2019 18:43:17 GMT -5
Since I don't think evil mastermind Bran makes any sense I expect his wisdom to be the main reason why he becomes king. I can't think of anything else that fits with themes of the story. He won't be a war hero for sure.
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