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Post by mandzipop on Oct 29, 2016 20:24:01 GMT -5
Him wearing unsullied clothing could make sense though. Firstly his clothing was not suitable for the Dragonstone weather. Secondly, he might need to disguise himself. Whoever it was, he was the wrong age for an unsullied. Remember, Carice didn't film the scene with Mel. It was a body double. The other day Alfie flew to Belfast on Thursday (I think) and then flew back to Spain on the same day. The show is definitely trying to mess with us.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 29, 2016 20:53:51 GMT -5
And the Jaime-Dany battle will shooting for A MONTH and be in the midseason. Dayum. Many-Faced Bowl Hype?
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Post by cami on Oct 29, 2016 21:10:14 GMT -5
Him wearing unsullied clothing could make sense though. Firstly his clothing was not suitable for the Dragonstone weather. Secondly, he might need to disguise himself. Whoever it was, he was the wrong age for an unsullied. Remember, Carice didn't film the scene with Mel. It was a body double. The other day Alfie flew to Belfast on Thursday (I think) and then flew back to Spain on the same day. The show is definitely trying to mess with us. I like the theory of the disguise, it could be. Although for me it makes more sense to think that if he is wearing unsullied clothes it is just because it is an unsullied. I also don't really think that they are trying to mess with us. I have worked in film production and I known how incredibly stressful and hard to schedule and control everything is for all the people involved. You just don't do things more difficult than they are or demand extra and unnecesary work from your team. I am sure they are a bit upset about all the photos of filming we are having, but at the end, it just isn't worth it to alter your filming plans for it or care that much about it. It has been happening for three years now in Spain, is not such a big deal.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 29, 2016 21:45:19 GMT -5
I wonder when the ReachBowl will be, it has to be either episode 2, 3 or 4. I think it'll happen either episode 2 or 3, it'll be early on and maybe even with her overwhealming forces she wins but the battle is complicated and unexpected fallout happens. This then could go in tandem with Euron overwhealming Yara' fleet. Showing early defeat/complication for Dany and then have her go back to Dragonstone to rethink her strategy.
ETA; If it does happen this way then the trip to King's Landing by Tyrion would make a little more sense. They work out a different strategy at Dragonstone and put it into effect with Tyrion's adventure to KL. Whatever it turns out to be.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 29, 2016 22:11:12 GMT -5
I wonder when the ReachBowl will be, it has to be either episode 2, 3 or 4. I think it'll happen either episode 2 or 3, it'll be early on and maybe even with her overwhealming forces she wins but the battle is complicated and unexpected fallout happens. This then could go in tandem with Euron overwhealming Yara' fleet. Showing early defeat/complication for Dany and then have her go back to Dragonstone to rethink her strategy. ETA; If it does happen this way then the trip to King's Landing by Tyrion would make a little more sense. They work out a different strategy at Dragonstone and put it into effect with Tyrion's adventure to KL. Whatever it turns out to be. My guess is Episode 3. I assume that after Jon and Davos arrive at Dragonstone, Dany receives news that Jaime and the Lannister army have taken Highgarden. On the road to King's Landing, the Lannisters are escorting all of the Tyrell goods in wagons to bring back to King's Landing in order to feed the people and then Dany, her dragons, and the Dothraki attack surprisingly. This is also likely when Randyll and Dickon die by dragonfire after they refuse to bend the knee to Dany. But considering there's an unexpected fallout (Jaime's escape), she decides to go back to Dragontone and rethink her strategy like you said. Dany returns from battle and Jon pets Rhaegal and she's like "Oh shit, my dragons are calm around Jon." Jon and Dany go into the caves beneath Dragonstone and find the dragonglass. Theon arrives at Dragonstone and Jon yells at him for the defeat against Euron in the naval battle and later says he would be dead if it wasn't for saving Sansa. Tyrion then tells Dany that he'll go to King's Landing to meet with Jaime and Bronn convincing them to surrender and he also decides to bring Davos with him. And I pretty much just repeated the leak. But this is starting to sound more plausible as you put all of the pieces together.
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Post by Envie on Oct 29, 2016 22:30:52 GMT -5
I wonder when the ReachBowl will be, it has to be either episode 2, 3 or 4. I think it'll happen either episode 2 or 3, it'll be early on and maybe even with her overwhealming forces she wins but the battle is complicated and unexpected fallout happens. This then could go in tandem with Euron overwhealming Yara' fleet. Showing early defeat/complication for Dany and then have her go back to Dragonstone to rethink her strategy. ETA; If it does happen this way then the trip to King's Landing by Tyrion would make a little more sense. They work out a different strategy at Dragonstone and put it into effect with Tyrion's adventure to KL. Whatever it turns out to be. My guess is Episode 3. I assume that after Jon and Davos arrive at Dragonstone, Dany receives news that Jaime and the Lannister army have taken Highgarden. On the road to King's Landing, the Lannisters are escorting all of the Tyrell goods in wagons to bring back to King's Landing in order to feed the people and then Dany, her dragons, and the Dothraki attack surprisingly. This is also likely when Randyll and Dickon die by dragonfire after they refuse to bend the knee to Dany. But considering there's an unexpected fallout (Jaime's escape), she decides to go back to Dragontone and rethink her strategy like you said. Dany returns from battle and Jon pets Rhaegal and she's like "Oh shit, my dragons are calm around Jon." Jon and Dany go into the caves beneath Dragonstone and find the dragonglass. Theon arrives at Dragonstone and Jon yells at him for the defeat against Euron in the naval battle and later says he would be dead if it wasn't for saving Sansa. Tyrion then tells Dany that he'll go to King's Landing to meet with Jaime and Bronn convincing them to surrender and he also decides to bring Davos with him. And I pretty much just repeated the leak. But this is starting to sound more plausible as you put all of the pieces together. Was that bit about the wagons coming back from Highgarden with food and attacked by Dany/Dragons part of a leak or you just made that up? (sorry I know this isn't leak thread but you said you were repeating the leak!) I'm so cofused.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Oct 29, 2016 22:39:25 GMT -5
I wonder when the ReachBowl will be, it has to be either episode 2, 3 or 4. I think it'll happen either episode 2 or 3, it'll be early on and maybe even with her overwhealming forces she wins but the battle is complicated and unexpected fallout happens. This then could go in tandem with Euron overwhealming Yara' fleet. Showing early defeat/complication for Dany and then have her go back to Dragonstone to rethink her strategy. ETA; If it does happen this way then the trip to King's Landing by Tyrion would make a little more sense. They work out a different strategy at Dragonstone and put it into effect with Tyrion's adventure to KL. Whatever it turns out to be. With the sketchy information we have so far, and taking into account only (more or less) confirmed scenes, my best guess on the chronology of events would be: Episode 1. Dany's Landing. Euron destroys Yara's fleet and kill some Sand Snakes. He captures Ellaria and the other SS and take them to King's Landing as a token in the negotiations with Cersei. Jon and the "High Stakes" scene. Bran crosses the wall. Jorah meets Sam at the Citadel. Episode 2. Jon leaves Winterfell. Jaime sacks the Reach (WotW mentions in his last report that the Lannisters will sack some castle. If this castle is Highgarden, as the leaker claims, remains to be seen). Dany, the Dragons and the Dothrakis ambush them and win the battle, although with heavy losses. Tyrion convinces Dany to take a different approach, and they return to Dragonstone. Episode 3. Jon arrives to Dragonstone and the meeting that was promissed take place. Jorah is finally healed and sail back to Westeros. Episode 4. Tyrion and Davos sails to King's Landing to secretly negotiate with Jaime. Jon and Dany pet the Dragons and talk about everything. Jorah arrives to Dragonstone. Episode 5. Tyrion and Davos meet Jaime and found Gendry. They all return to Dragonstone. Jon and Dany talk more. At the end of the episode, Jon and the Fellowship of the Wight sail to... somewhere. Probably to the Far North. Episode 6. The big action scene to be filmed in Iceland, in all likehood. Whatever it is. Episode 7. Everybody and their mothers at the Dragonpit. I'm probably totally wrong, so sorry, but I couldn't do it better.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Oct 29, 2016 22:41:44 GMT -5
My guess is Episode 3. I assume that after Jon and Davos arrive at Dragonstone, Dany receives news that Jaime and the Lannister army have taken Highgarden. On the road to King's Landing, the Lannisters are escorting all of the Tyrell goods in wagons to bring back to King's Landing in order to feed the people and then Dany, her dragons, and the Dothraki attack surprisingly. This is also likely when Randyll and Dickon die by dragonfire after they refuse to bend the knee to Dany. But considering there's an unexpected fallout (Jaime's escape), she decides to go back to Dragontone and rethink her strategy like you said. Dany returns from battle and Jon pets Rhaegal and she's like "Oh shit, my dragons are calm around Jon." Jon and Dany go into the caves beneath Dragonstone and find the dragonglass. Theon arrives at Dragonstone and Jon yells at him for the defeat against Euron in the naval battle and later says he would be dead if it wasn't for saving Sansa. Tyrion then tells Dany that he'll go to King's Landing to meet with Jaime and Bronn convincing them to surrender and he also decides to bring Davos with him. And I pretty much just repeated the leak. But this is starting to sound more plausible as you put all of the pieces together. Was that bit about the wagons coming back from Highgarden with food and attacked by Dany/Dragons part of a leak or you just made that up? (sorry I know this isn't leak thread but you said you were repeating the leak!) I'm so cofused. It was in the leaks, IIRC. The leaker said that Jaime will sack Highgarden, allow Olenna to drink poison after she confess to killing Joffrey and being attacked in his way back to King's Landing.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 29, 2016 22:45:36 GMT -5
My guess is Episode 3. I assume that after Jon and Davos arrive at Dragonstone, Dany receives news that Jaime and the Lannister army have taken Highgarden. On the road to King's Landing, the Lannisters are escorting all of the Tyrell goods in wagons to bring back to King's Landing in order to feed the people and then Dany, her dragons, and the Dothraki attack surprisingly. This is also likely when Randyll and Dickon die by dragonfire after they refuse to bend the knee to Dany. But considering there's an unexpected fallout (Jaime's escape), she decides to go back to Dragontone and rethink her strategy like you said. Dany returns from battle and Jon pets Rhaegal and she's like "Oh shit, my dragons are calm around Jon." Jon and Dany go into the caves beneath Dragonstone and find the dragonglass. Theon arrives at Dragonstone and Jon yells at him for the defeat against Euron in the naval battle and later says he would be dead if it wasn't for saving Sansa. Tyrion then tells Dany that he'll go to King's Landing to meet with Jaime and Bronn convincing them to surrender and he also decides to bring Davos with him. And I pretty much just repeated the leak. But this is starting to sound more plausible as you put all of the pieces together. Was that bit about the wagons coming back from Highgarden with food and attacked by Dany/Dragons part of a leak or you just made that up? (sorry I know this isn't leak thread but you said you were repeating the leak!) I'm so cofused. Look at barristanwhitebeard's post for a better response.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 29, 2016 22:48:36 GMT -5
I wonder when the ReachBowl will be, it has to be either episode 2, 3 or 4. I think it'll happen either episode 2 or 3, it'll be early on and maybe even with her overwhealming forces she wins but the battle is complicated and unexpected fallout happens. This then could go in tandem with Euron overwhealming Yara' fleet. Showing early defeat/complication for Dany and then have her go back to Dragonstone to rethink her strategy. ETA; If it does happen this way then the trip to King's Landing by Tyrion would make a little more sense. They work out a different strategy at Dragonstone and put it into effect with Tyrion's adventure to KL. Whatever it turns out to be. With the sketchy information we have so far, and taking into account only (more or less) confirmed scenes, my best guess on the chronology of events would be: Episode 1. Dany's Landing. Euron destroys Yara's fleet and kill some Sand Snakes. He captures Ellaria and the other SS and take them to King's Landing as a token in the negotiations with Cersei. Jon and the "High Stakes" scene. Bran crosses the wall. Jorah meets Sam at the Citadel. Episode 2. Jon leaves Winterfell. Jaime sacks the Reach (WotW mentions in his last report that the Lannisters will sack some castle. If this castle is Highgarden, as the leaker claims, remains to be seen). Dany, the Dragons and the Dothrakis ambush them and win the battle, although with heavy losses. Tyrion convinces Dany to take a different approach, and they return to Dragonstone. Episode 3. Jon arrives to Dragonstone and the meeting that was promissed take place. Jorah is finally healed and sail back to Westeros. Episode 4. Tyrion and Davos sails to King's Landing to secretly negotiate with Jaime. Jon and Dany pet the Dragons and talk about everything. Jorah arrives to Dragonstone. Episode 5. Tyrion and Davos meet Jaime and found Gendry. They all return to Dragonstone. Jon and Dany talk more. At the end of the episode, Jon and the Fellowship of the Wight sail to... somewhere. Probably to the Far North. Episode 6. The big action scene to be filmed in Iceland, in all likehood. Whatever it is. Episode 7. Everybody and their mothers at the Dragonpit. I'm probably totally wrong, so sorry, but I couldn't do it better. Actually, this is all pretty damn close. The only reason I'd say the battle occurs after Jon arrives at Dragonstone is because someone has to watch the damn castle while Dany's gone and also with the scene where Jon pets Rhaegal when Dany returns from the battle.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Oct 30, 2016 0:11:22 GMT -5
With the sketchy information we have so far, and taking into account only (more or less) confirmed scenes, my best guess on the chronology of events would be: Episode 1. Dany's Landing. Euron destroys Yara's fleet and kill some Sand Snakes. He captures Ellaria and the other SS and take them to King's Landing as a token in the negotiations with Cersei. Jon and the "High Stakes" scene. Bran crosses the wall. Jorah meets Sam at the Citadel. Episode 2. Jon leaves Winterfell. Jaime sacks the Reach (WotW mentions in his last report that the Lannisters will sack some castle. If this castle is Highgarden, as the leaker claims, remains to be seen). Dany, the Dragons and the Dothrakis ambush them and win the battle, although with heavy losses. Tyrion convinces Dany to take a different approach, and they return to Dragonstone. Episode 3. Jon arrives to Dragonstone and the meeting that was promissed take place. Jorah is finally healed and sail back to Westeros. Episode 4. Tyrion and Davos sails to King's Landing to secretly negotiate with Jaime. Jon and Dany pet the Dragons and talk about everything. Jorah arrives to Dragonstone. Episode 5. Tyrion and Davos meet Jaime and found Gendry. They all return to Dragonstone. Jon and Dany talk more. At the end of the episode, Jon and the Fellowship of the Wight sail to... somewhere. Probably to the Far North. Episode 6. The big action scene to be filmed in Iceland, in all likehood. Whatever it is. Episode 7. Everybody and their mothers at the Dragonpit. I'm probably totally wrong, so sorry, but I couldn't do it better. Actually, this is all pretty damn close. The only reason I'd say the battle occurs after Jon arrives at Dragonstone is because someone has to watch the damn castle while Dany's gone and also with the scene where Jon pets Rhaegal when Dany returns from the battle. 1) Maybe Grey Worm and the Unsullied? The WotW report mentions the Dragons and the Dothrakis as being in the battle, but nothing about the Unsullied. Maybe they stay behind guarding the Castle? Although it would be somehow weird if she leaves behind her more experienced general. I don't know. 2) One of the reasons I think the battle could happen before Jon arrives, is because that pic when he falls flat in the floor. That pic is, presumably, when he sees a dragon for the first time (probably in Episode 3, if he leaves Winterfell in Episode 2). I suspect that could be the exactly moment when Dany is returning to Dragonstone from the battlefield riding Drogon. That would explain why she was absent in the beach when he is landing for the first time. I could see the face of poor Jon seeing this blonde mighty queen riding a dragon in front of his eyes. Quite a first impression.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 30, 2016 0:15:44 GMT -5
Actually, this is all pretty damn close. The only reason I'd say the battle occurs after Jon arrives at Dragonstone is because someone has to watch the damn castle while Dany's gone and also with the scene where Jon pets Rhaegal when Dany returns from the battle. 1) Maybe Grey Worm and the Unsullied? The WotW report mentions the Dragons and the Dothrakis as being in the battle, but nothing about the Unsullied. Maybe they stay behind guarding the Castle? Although it would be somehow weird if she leaves behind her more experienced general. I don't know. 2) One of the reasons I think the battle could happen before Jon arrives, is because that pic when he falls flat in the floor. That pic is, presumably, when he sees a dragon for the first time (probably in Episode 3, if he leaves Winterfell in Episode 2). I suspect that could be the exactly moment when Dany is returning to Dragonstone from the battlefield riding Drogon. That would explain why she was absent in the beach when he is landing for the first time. I could see the face of poor Jon seeing this blonde mighty queen riding a dragon in front of his eyes. Quite a first impression. That's definitely a possibility, but I also noticed in the scene where Jon is scolding Theon on the beach after he returns, we only see Davos and Missandei, which leads me to believe that's in the same episode where Dany ambushes the Lannister army outside of Highgarden. We know that Tyrion will be with her since he's supposed to have a confrontation with Jaime. I just assumed that when Jon and Davos first arrive on Dragonstone, that Tyrion and Missandei are escorting them to Dany in her new throne room, which is why their weapons are taken away by the Dothraki. But I do think that could be around the same time that Drogon is flying above them.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Oct 30, 2016 0:25:47 GMT -5
1) Maybe Grey Worm and the Unsullied? The WotW report mentions the Dragons and the Dothrakis as being in the battle, but nothing about the Unsullied. Maybe they stay behind guarding the Castle? Although it would be somehow weird if she leaves behind her more experienced general. I don't know. 2) One of the reasons I think the battle could happen before Jon arrives, is because that pic when he falls flat in the floor. That pic is, presumably, when he sees a dragon for the first time (probably in Episode 3, if he leaves Winterfell in Episode 2). I suspect that could be the exactly moment when Dany is returning to Dragonstone from the battlefield riding Drogon. That would explain why she was absent in the beach when he is landing for the first time. I could see the face of poor Jon seeing this blonde mighty queen riding a dragon in front of his eyes. Quite a first impression. That's definitely a possibility, but I also noticed in the scene where Jon is scolding Theon on the beach after he returns, we only see Davos and Missandei, which leads me to believe that's in the same episode where Dany ambushes the Lannister army outside of Highgarden. We know that Tyrion will be with her since he's supposed to have a confrontation with Jaime. I just assumed that when Jon and Davos first arrive on Dragonstone, that Tyrion and Missandei are escorting them to Dany in her new throne room, which is why their weapons are taken away by the Dothraki. But I do think that could be around the same time that Drogon is flying above them. Yeah, I forgot that pic with the Unsullied taking away Jon's and his crew weapons. That's definitely the moment when he is about to be escorted to the queen. And Tyrion was at the beach, and he is supposed to be besides Dany in the battlefield, so it looks like the battle is after Jon's arrival. The only thing that bothers me, if it happens this way, is the fact that Jon and Dany would spend very little time together. If he arrives in Episode 3, and she leaves in Episode 4, they will barely know each other.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 30, 2016 0:34:20 GMT -5
That's definitely a possibility, but I also noticed in the scene where Jon is scolding Theon on the beach after he returns, we only see Davos and Missandei, which leads me to believe that's in the same episode where Dany ambushes the Lannister army outside of Highgarden. We know that Tyrion will be with her since he's supposed to have a confrontation with Jaime. I just assumed that when Jon and Davos first arrive on Dragonstone, that Tyrion and Missandei are escorting them to Dany in her new throne room, which is why their weapons are taken away by the Dothraki. But I do think that could be around the same time that Drogon is flying above them. Yeah, I forgot that pic with the Unsullied taking away Jon's and his crew weapons. That's definitely the moment when he is about to be escorted to the queen. And Tyrion was at the beach, and he is supposed to be besides Dany in the battlefield, so it looks like the battle is after Jon's arrival. The only thing that bothers me, if it happens this way, is the fact that Jon and Dany would spend very little time together. If he arrives in Episode 3, and she leaves in Episode 4, they will barely know each other. Yeah that's true, unless the battle is in Episode 3 (Mark Mylod is the director so that makes sense) and Dany leaves right after Jon arrives, which would seem rather fast. She would return in Episode 4, which is where Jon pets Rhaegal (Matt Shakman directed that scene) and Tyrion tells Dany that he'll travel to King's Landing with Davos to try to convince Jaime to surrender. Jon and Dany would essentially spend Episode 4 and 5 together at Dragonstone.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 30, 2016 0:58:36 GMT -5
That's definitely a possibility, but I also noticed in the scene where Jon is scolding Theon on the beach after he returns, we only see Davos and Missandei, which leads me to believe that's in the same episode where Dany ambushes the Lannister army outside of Highgarden. We know that Tyrion will be with her since he's supposed to have a confrontation with Jaime. I just assumed that when Jon and Davos first arrive on Dragonstone, that Tyrion and Missandei are escorting them to Dany in her new throne room, which is why their weapons are taken away by the Dothraki. But I do think that could be around the same time that Drogon is flying above them. Yeah, I forgot that pic with the Unsullied taking away Jon's and his crew weapons. That's definitely the moment when he is about to be escorted to the queen. And Tyrion was at the beach, and he is supposed to be besides Dany in the battlefield, so it looks like the battle is after Jon's arrival. The only thing that bothers me, if it happens this way, is the fact that Jon and Dany would spend very little time together. If he arrives in Episode 3, and she leaves in Episode 4, they will barely know each other. I'm with you. I don't see the use of having Jon arrive as Dany leaves given the amount of time it would take everyone else but Dany to travel to and from The Reach. Additionally, why not just delay Jon's arrival until Dany's return? What is the use of brining Jon south if you're going to sepereare them a hot minute after their first meeting. Dany's army is enormous she could leave a substantial presence behind at Dragonstone while still taking a good amount of people to the Reach with her. I just hope they don't play it again like Dany needs Tyrion to guide her by the hand. Like she didn't get all the fucking way to where she is without his help.
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