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Post by StarkL on Dec 29, 2016 20:26:53 GMT -5
Number 4 https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/5l0hem/spoiler_4_jon_in_the_north/ Dany leaving Jon behing to die because she thinks she can go against the WW's herself, without Jon's help..... People want her to be evil so bad.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 29, 2016 20:28:03 GMT -5
Wow, number 4 is a biggie. It has the full wight scene described with motivation. Not sure full motivation is genuine. The action sequence itself sound very plausible though. And if correct it sounds good and makes sense. That is the his first proper leak and it is very huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. Putting a dying person in a cage and waiting for them go turn is very logical. Props for that lol
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Post by moiaf on Dec 29, 2016 20:39:40 GMT -5
Number 4 https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/5l0hem/spoiler_4_jon_in_the_north/ Dany leaving Jon behing to die because she thinks she can go against the WW's herself, without Jon's help..... People want her to be evil so bad. Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. Wow, number 4 is a biggie. It has the full wight scene described with motivation. Not sure full motivation is genuine. The action sequence itself sound very plausible though. And if correct it sounds good and makes sense. That is the his first proper leak and it is very huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. Putting a dying person in a cage and waiting for them go turn is very logical. Props for that lol It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake:
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Post by mandzipop on Dec 29, 2016 21:00:25 GMT -5
Dany leaving Jon behing to die because she thinks she can go against the WW's herself, without Jon's help..... People want her to be evil so bad. Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. Putting a dying person in a cage and waiting for them go turn is very logical. Props for that lol It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake: This is what I don't get. Coming from a Dany hater, this is fairly tame. Put yourself in Dany's shoes/sandals and you'd do the same thing. Moral ambiguity. The essence of the story.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 29, 2016 21:04:02 GMT -5
Dany leaving Jon behing to die because she thinks she can go against the WW's herself, without Jon's help..... People want her to be evil so bad. Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. Putting a dying person in a cage and waiting for them go turn is very logical. Props for that lol It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake: I don't think a leaker should be speaking about any character's state of mind unless they've read a script. I'll use TWD as an example: During filming, we knew that two characters, Spencer and Rosita filmed together. We speculated they must be hiding weapons because that's completely in character for both of them, and that made SO much sense during filming. But when we saw the episode, turns out they were looking for a damn motorcycle. That's how easy it is to confuse intent when you just have the bare minimum of details. This guy clearly just wants villain Dany, which is fine. But I doubt he has a script so he probably shouldn't be projecting. I agree with you re: the dragon riders, but didn't Lads say Tormund and co flew away on a dragon too? Maybe Dany can command them to take people.
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Post by StarkL on Dec 29, 2016 21:04:51 GMT -5
Anti Jonerys are loving it because if it's true, there's no way they will be involved.
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Post by StarkL on Dec 29, 2016 21:09:14 GMT -5
Oh, he also said the Season will end in KL and we won't see Jon going back to Winterfell.
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Post by Envie on Dec 29, 2016 21:11:54 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake: I don't think a leaker should be speaking about any character's state of mind unless they've read a script. I'll use TWD as an example: During filming, we knew that two characters, Spencer and Rosita filmed together. We speculated they must be hiding weapons because that's completely in character for both of them, and that made SO much sense during filming. But when we saw the episode, turns out they were looking for a damn motorcycle. That's how easy it is to confuse intent when you just have the bare minimum of details. This guy clearly just wants villain Dany, which is fine. But I doubt he has a script so he probably shouldn't be projecting. I agree with you re: the dragon riders, but didn't Lads say Tormund and co flew away on a dragon too? Maybe Dany can command them to take people. You are completely on point with this observation of how the leakers inject their own interpretation on scenes they don't even know the dialogue about. This Cine guy has even said in several posts that he doesn't know scripts/dialogue so how the hell does he know what the character's intent or emotions are? He's full of shit that's why. He may know a few details and he may have worked on the set somehow as a builder or set construction crew assistant but he doesn't know the real deal and I still doubt those storyboards are real. They are terrible by comparison with the HBO storyboards we've seen previously. He makes the statements he does about Daenerys because he doesn't like her. Plain and simple. He also made broad statements about the Winterfell leak which led to a mass uprising of Sansa-haters. He did that entirely on purpose because he's a troll. That's Freefolk for you though, you have to be willing to take the bad with the good (Lads or Truede leaks for example). It's still far better than trying to wade through the horrific mess you'll find on 4Chan.
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Post by moiaf on Dec 29, 2016 21:18:09 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake: This is what I don't get. Coming from a Dany hater, this is fairly tame. Put yourself in Dany's shoes/sandals and you'd do the same thing. Moral ambiguity. The essence of the story. Well, if Dany is trying to save as many people as possible and she can't carry Jon on dragonback because it's too much for Drogon, then sure, I can see her leaving him behind in order to save the other. But leaving him behind because she thinks she's the savior and Jon's expendable is ridiculous. The thing is there is no way for the audience to know such a thing unless Dany verbalizes it. As well as Jon.
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Post by Lils on Dec 29, 2016 21:24:40 GMT -5
Again, I have to call this guy into question. This is the major reveal he has about Jon beyond the Wall? It's basically what Lads has leaked, but skewed to fit his agenda. His Dany bias is extremely obvious and what he insinuates goes so far from her character. I don't think Dany even considers herself a "savior". The whole context of her wanting power is purely based on her desire to go back home and reclaim what belonged to her family. She's not Cersei who is power hungry. Furthermore, Dany isn't the sort to sacrifice people because of her own ego. This is the same person who forgave Jorah for his betrayal and agreed to work with Varys. She would understand that to defeat something as powerful as the Night King, she would need more than one person.
When it comes to leaving Jon behind, I kind of just assumed it was a situation of him buying time for the others to get away. There is likely injured people among the company, they take time to get on a dragon's back. It's not out of character for Jon to sacrifice himself for the greater good.
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Post by Lils on Dec 29, 2016 21:25:26 GMT -5
Anti Jonerys are loving it because if it's true, there's no way they will be involved. It's hilarious how many false leakers also try to discredit Jonerys from happening.
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Post by moiaf on Dec 29, 2016 21:27:32 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who said such nasty things about Dany, I'm not surprised. So, the person who risks her life to save total stranges decides she too important to save someone she already knows and feels connected to. Because she's jealous. Whatever. It does and a version of this happens in the books. In ADWD Jon places dead bodies in the ice cells to see if they will be turned into wights so they could be studied. Some of the speculation sounds reasonable but I'm not sure I buy it. Especially the part where just anyone can ride a dragon, some people riding Rhaegal without being dragon riders. From the leake: I don't think a leaker should be speaking about any character's state of mind unless they've read a script. I'll use TWD as an example: During filming, we knew that two characters, Spencer and Rosita filmed together. We speculated they must be hiding weapons because that's completely in character for both of them, and that made SO much sense during filming. But when we saw the episode, turns out they were looking for a damn motorcycle. That's how easy it is to confuse intent when you just have the bare minimum of details. This guy clearly just wants villain Dany, which is fine. But I doubt he has a script so he probably shouldn't be projecting. I agree with you re: the dragon riders, but didn't Lads say Tormund and co flew away on a dragon too? Maybe Dany can command them to take people. That's a great point. Especially emotions such as the leaker described. Unless Dany literally yells this at Jon there is no way for the audience to make such a deduction of her motivations. As well as Jon's. As for the dragons, I believe Lads said that Dany buses them on top of Drogon. There was no mention of Rhaegal going with Dany across the Wall. Oh, he also said the Season will end in KL and we won't see Jon going back to Winterfell. Well, I would imagine they are heading North. I don't think they are going to hang out with Cersei in Kings Landing. But I suppose we'll see. I don't think a leaker should be speaking about any character's state of mind unless they've read a script. I'll use TWD as an example: During filming, we knew that two characters, Spencer and Rosita filmed together. We speculated they must be hiding weapons because that's completely in character for both of them, and that made SO much sense during filming. But when we saw the episode, turns out they were looking for a damn motorcycle. That's how easy it is to confuse intent when you just have the bare minimum of details. This guy clearly just wants villain Dany, which is fine. But I doubt he has a script so he probably shouldn't be projecting. I agree with you re: the dragon riders, but didn't Lads say Tormund and co flew away on a dragon too? Maybe Dany can command them to take people. You are completely on point with this observation of how the leakers inject their own interpretation on scenes they don't even know the dialogue about. This Cine guy has even said in several posts that he doesn't know scripts/dialogue so how the hell does he know what the character's intent or emotions are? He's full of shit that's why. He may know a few details and he may have worked on the set somehow as a builder or set construction crew assistant but he doesn't know the real deal and I still doubt those storyboards are real. They are terrible by comparison with the HBO storyboards we've seen previously. He makes the statements he does about Daenerys because he doesn't like her. Plain and simple. He also made broad statements about the Winterfell leak which led to a mass uprising of Sansa-haters. He did that entirely on purpose because he's a troll. That's Freefolk for you though, you have to be willing to take the bad with the good (Lads or Truede leaks for example). It's still far better than trying to wade through the horrific mess you'll find on 4Chan. To my mind those storyboards are clearly fake. I can't think of why GoT would have such poorly drawn storyboards when they have the money to hire good artist to make accurate renditions. If he knows something or not, I'm not sure but he's definetely interjecting his own opinions into whatever information he has, if he has any at all. Additionally, he also mentions that Uncle Benjen is hiding out and only shows up after Dany leaves. Would Uncle Benjen really allow his nephew to take be killed before doing anything. That doesn't make much sense, especially given how he saved Bran last season.
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Post by StarkL on Dec 29, 2016 21:36:15 GMT -5
So Lads said Dany will be bothered by Jon petting Drogon, I didn't catch up this.
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Post by Lils on Dec 29, 2016 21:41:26 GMT -5
So Lads said Dany will be bothered by Jon petting Drogon, I didn't catch up this. I just figured this was more of a "surprise" thing. Unnerved, so to speak. We don't really know the motivation behind her response.
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