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Post by belle on Jun 5, 2017 21:28:45 GMT -5
well another theory is that nora didn't change her mind but the entire thing turned out to be a scam. i could see the part about nora's story of being in that empty parking lot being true (that the physicists had ran away with the truck) and then nora just made up the story afterward it. but i guess it doesn't actually matter whether the story itself is true or nor, just more the fact that its what finally bring kevin and nora together. nora was very unlikeable for me for a lot of this show. but carrie coon's acting in this episode gave me chills and did make me feel for her a lot (even if i think that nora's story was a lie lol). i'm going to miss this show a lot I loved Nora to pieces right from the start, but especially after her episode in S1 Guest. I usually love flawed, broken female characters but I just couldn't warm up as much to Nora unfortunately even though I felt for her a lot of times in the show. i think it might be because i didn't feel that she loved kevin as much as he loved her
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Post by izzue on Jun 9, 2017 16:13:36 GMT -5
I thought that, all things considered, the finale was perhaps the best way to end S3, but I'll have to say, I was really disappointed in S3. After S2 I was devastated to think that there might not be a S3, but as it turned out, it just didn't grab me like the first two. I guess I've never thought Nora was that great, but I was especially disappointed in the way her character was portrayed in this last season. With the exception of the GR, which I've always disliked, I've thought Amy Brennaman's character was more interesting. This is all sounding so negative as I write it - I didn't really, really dislike S3 as much as it sounds like I did. It just seemed to me that the story was conceived with the first 2 seasons in mind but that they added a 3rd because it was so popular, and I think they just could never quite get the mojo back.
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Post by izzue on Jun 9, 2017 16:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by belle on Jun 9, 2017 16:49:56 GMT -5
I thought that, all things considered, the finale was perhaps the best way to end S3, but I'll have to say, I was really disappointed in S3. After S2 I was devastated to think that there might not be a S3, but as it turned out, it just didn't grab me like the first two. I guess I've never thought Nora was that great, but I was especially disappointed in the way her character was portrayed in this last season. With the exception of the GR, which I've always disliked, I've thought Amy Brennaman's character was more interesting. This is all sounding so negative as I write it - I didn't really, really dislike S3 as much as it sounds like I did. It just seemed to me that the story was conceived with the first 2 seasons in mind but that they added a 3rd because it was so popular, and I think they just could never quite get the mojo back. I agree that season 2 was the superior season. i preferred it vastly over season 3 and hell i think i prefer even season 1 over season 3. totally agree about amy brennanman's character being more interesting. laurie was just as flawed or even more flawed than nora but amy brennenman always brought this softness to the role that i never disliked laurie unlike with nora. i think season 3 could have used a few more episodes to flesh it out more. i would have liked to see characters like tom and jill more. i especially grew to like tom so much in season 2, and his dynamic wtih meg was so interesting. but then it was just completely dropped in season 3. overall i think season 3 was a fantastic season but i agree that it somewhat paled to season 2
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 18:42:16 GMT -5
I finally finished my binge-watch of The Leftovers. I think the first two seasons are among the very best I've ever seen. If Season 1 is an exploration of grief, then Season 2 is an exploration of faith. Of course both seasons still entail elements of the other; grief and faith are thematically linked after all. I particularly loved how the show does not just tell a simple story about these themes, but forces you to decide what your own beliefs are. Everything that happens is up for interpretation and there are always multiple solutions to it, depending on your own perspective. This is the kind of show that both theists and atheists can watch and still feel validated at the end of it. That takes some serious writing chops.
However, I sadly think that Season 3 was very unnecessary. I don't think that the final season added anything that still needed to be said after the first two seasons. Season 1 dealt with the Sudden Departure as a metaphor for natural disasters, terrorist attacks or even the inexplicability of death itself and how all of these things can affect society. Season 2, on the other hand, was a theological and philosophical meditation on the meaning of life and death and how different people find different answers (faith vs the secular), but in the end they are all just speculative anyway. Season 3 seems to be picking up on that (alluding to the Great Disappointment), but IMO it ended up just being an afterthought to Season 2. Everything S3 showed was already told more eloquently by the preceding seasons. The only characters that profited from these extra episodes were Nora and Matt. We finally got to see what a conversation between Matt and God would sound like and thus it really gave us new insight into the character. Similarly, Nora's incapability of letting go of the past reached its climax in this season, especially in the final episode. She has been self-absorbed during the entire run of the show, still stuck in the same mindset since she lost her family in the Sudden Departure and thus unable of being in a committed relationship with Kevin. By making up that story in the end (I think the story is a lie), she practiced self-therapy and was finally able to let go. I know this is completely up for interpretation, but I prefer this version because the Sudden Departure should not be explained. It would take away from the deeper meaning of this show. If Nora reached that same conclusion WITHOUT actually knowing that her children are truly ok, then this would be a much more powerful ending. Furthermore, it seems to me that the show itself hints at that, because Laurie and Nora have been in touch for quite some time. I like to think that Nora spent all these years overcoming the single most traumatic experience of her life all by herself (with a little help from Laurie perhaps). Her story then becomes a form of self treatment. But it is not, however, true.
Nevertheless, I think I would have preferred 2x10 as the series finale, because much of S3 was just a very wordy repetition of what the show had already established before.
My favourite episodes are: 1x03, 1x06, 1x08, 1x10, 2x06, 2x08, 2x09, 2x10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 19:25:54 GMT -5
Glad you enjoyed it @kairos. I guess breakfest and I are in the minority wrt S3 here. I can totally see why some would have preferred S2 to be the ending, it's one of the best seasons of tv I've ever seen tbh, and my favorite of the 3. I don't necessarily agree S3 was unneeded though. And I definitely don't think it took anything away from the show as a whole. There were scenes like the hotel room fight between Kevin and Nora that had been building up the entire series, and I'm glad we got to see some of that stuff. I also had 0 problem spending 8 more hours with these characters. Especially Nora. I'd have to think about it some more but this show might be top 10 for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:01:01 GMT -5
A few weeks have passed and I still think about this show. I always need a bit of time to come to this type of realisation, but this is among my favourite shows ever now. Top 5 easily.
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