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Post by nikma on May 29, 2017 19:48:39 GMT -5
Everything bad that has happened to these characters doesn't matter now. I'm speaking about the casualties in the War for the Dawn. Ned Stark's death has nothing to do with that. This misses the entire point of the series. It's not about death and devastation at evey corner. It's about the journey of each character, how evey decision they make is showing the "human heart in conflict with itself". The cost of war, the loss of innocence, how those who come before shape the lives of later generations. It's a coming of age tale. Yeah great. But Davos, Tormund, Brienne, Lyanna and Jorah Mormont are not characters who are part of coming of age group.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 29, 2017 19:51:24 GMT -5
I see a ton of casualties in S8. The only ones I feel 100% will survive will be Tyrion, Bran, Sansa, Davos, and Jon. (Arya probably on the show too, in the books I worry about the faceless men catching up with her) I could see Gendry and Sam surviving too.
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Post by Singer of Death on May 29, 2017 19:53:14 GMT -5
I will be just annoyed that people will claim that D&D made a Disney ending and how GRRM will write a much darker resolution. The only difference between D&D and GRRM's endings are the characters. While the show definitely knows the fate of the major characters, GRRM stated that he doesn't know what to do with the minor characters. Some of them may die in the show, but alive in the book, and vice versa.
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Post by belle on May 29, 2017 19:53:34 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney".
also dany being nissa nissa or simply dying so jon can be the sole ruler at the end would be misogynistic writing imo. both D&D and GRRM love dany too much for something like that.
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Post by nikma on May 29, 2017 19:55:29 GMT -5
War for the Dawn is supposed to be the greatest war in history of Westeros. We need tragedy and misery everywhere, so the victory will feel sweet and earned.
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Post by nikma on May 29, 2017 19:59:49 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney". also dany being nissa nissa or simply dying so jon can be the sole ruler at the end would be misogynistic writing imo. both D&D and GRRM love dany too much for something like that. Cersei won't even be direct part of the war against the WW. It not that Dany has to die, but SOMEONE has to die. If the biggest deaths in the greatest war in history are Cersei and Euron who won't even be part of that war than fuck everything. lol
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 29, 2017 20:00:53 GMT -5
This misses the entire point of the series. It's not about death and devastation at evey corner. It's about the journey of each character, how evey decision they make is showing the "human heart in conflict with itself". The cost of war, the loss of innocence, how those who come before shape the lives of later generations. It's a coming of age tale. Yeah great. But Davos, Tormund, Brienne, Lyanna and Jorah Mormont are not characters who are part of coming of age group. If we think about the main characters left after S7: Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, Dany, Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Davos, Mel, Brienne, Sandor, Gendry, Theon, Jorah, Missandei, Bronn, Tormund, Sam, Gilly, and Varys...And I'm pretty sure we already went over this, but I highly doubt that more than half of them will die, that would be too much IMO, especially since the most they've ever killed in a season was 5. We don't want deaths to continuously be overshadowing each other.
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Post by TheArchmaester on May 29, 2017 20:03:23 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney". also dany being nissa nissa or simply dying so jon can be the sole ruler at the end would be misogynistic writing imo. both D&D and GRRM love dany too much for something like that. Yeah, I hope Jon and Dany skip the martyr act. That sort of ending would be interesting for someone like Melisandre though. And she'd do it on her own terms no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:04:01 GMT -5
I see a ton of casualties in S8. The only ones I feel 100% will survive will be Tyrion, Bran, Sansa, Davos, and Jon. (Arya probably on the show too, in the books I worry about the faceless men catching up with her) So the Starks and Davos, basically all of your favs? Sam will probably survive, imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:05:18 GMT -5
I'm prepared for that happy ending so I won't be that disappointed, but so much for "death is comming for everyone and everything" lol I will be just annoyed that people will claim that D&D made a Disney ending and how GRRM will write a much darker resolution. GRRM ain't gonna write an ending so it's a moot point.
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Post by belle on May 29, 2017 20:06:18 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney". also dany being nissa nissa or simply dying so jon can be the sole ruler at the end would be misogynistic writing imo. both D&D and GRRM love dany too much for something like that. Cersei won't even be direct part of the war against the WW. It not that Dany has to die, but SOMEONE has to die. If the biggest deaths in the greatest war in history are Cersei and Euron who won't even be part of that war than fuck everything. lol you don't actually know this. for all you know, the white walkers might make it to KL in season 8. and cersei and euron won't be the only deaths. jaime, melisandre, one of the greyjoys and probably one or two of the other secondary characters too. you only need to look at the structure of season 7 to predict season 8. if the only really big character death in a 7-episode season 7 is littlefinger, then a 6-episode season 8 in which characters are dying like flies isn't likely to happen. having it be a complete bloodbath won't give any characters the complete closure they deserve from the story. and most characters that are alive now are simply way too important to die anti-climatically like the dornish characters did in season 6.
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Post by belle on May 29, 2017 20:09:04 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney". also dany being nissa nissa or simply dying so jon can be the sole ruler at the end would be misogynistic writing imo. both D&D and GRRM love dany too much for something like that. Yeah, I hope Jon and Dany skip the martyr act. That sort of ending would be interesting for someone like Melisandre though. And she'd do it on her own terms no doubt. exactly. jon or dany dying as a martyr would take away from melisandre's death as a martyr (which lets be real, its very very likely to happen). and someone like melisandre deserves to have her death be a big deal instead of just being completely overshadowed by jon and dany's deaths.
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Post by day dreamer on May 29, 2017 20:11:54 GMT -5
i'm so sick of people thinking that dany HAS to 100% die. cersei is ENOUGH for a death of a queen imo. BOTH cersei and dany dying would be redundant. like you're allowed to have your opinion, but i really dislike that its just taken as a given and the possibility of her living is seen as "disney". I don't think her living would be a cop out of any kind, I just always saw her getting a hero's death.
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Post by nikma on May 29, 2017 20:13:28 GMT -5
Cersei won't even be direct part of the war against the WW. It not that Dany has to die, but SOMEONE has to die. If the biggest deaths in the greatest war in history are Cersei and Euron who won't even be part of that war than fuck everything. lol you only need to look at the structure of season 7 to predict season 8. if the only really big character death in a 7-episode season 7 is littlefinger, then a 6-episode season 8 in which characters are dying like flies isn't likely to happen. having it be a complete bloodbath won't give any characters the complete closure they deserve from the story. and most characters that are alive now are simply way too important to die anti-climatically like the dornish characters did in season 6. I'm not saying that you are not right. I'm just saying that it will be very hard for me to buy the apocalypse with that kind of writing.
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Post by moiaf on May 29, 2017 20:14:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope Jon and Dany skip the martyr act. That sort of ending would be interesting for someone like Melisandre though. And she'd do it on her own terms no doubt. exactly. jon or dany dying as a martyr would take away from melisandre's death as a martyr (which lets be real, its very very likely to happen). and someone like melisandre deserves to have her death be a big deal instead of just being completely overshadowed by jon and dany's deaths. Here is our death list of secondary characters from the other thread: High Probability 1. Melisandre 2. Sandor 3. Tormond 4. Bronn 5. Jorah 6. Yara Average Probability1. Jon 2. Dany 3. Davos 4. Pod 5. Gendry 7. Theon 8. Edd Low Probability
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