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Post by belle on Jul 20, 2017 13:14:03 GMT -5
as someone who loves cersei, i've legit been seething at some of the things i've been seeing after 7x01 airing. people acting as if cersei's a witch who cast an evil spell on jaime the angel and not as if he's a person who made his own shitty life choices. and thinking that jaime should just strangle and then go running off in glee and joy into the sunset. i doubt it will be portrayed as a complete "fuck yeah" moment when it does happen but i still wonder about the context. after the season 7 leaks, its really fucking hard for me to think on what the scenario could be for him to kill her. i thought the mad king 2.0 scene would happen in season 7 and its hard for me to imagine it in season 8. yeah, that was what threw me about the leaks having cersei survive. but if it's not jaime, either the valonqar was left off the show prophecy bc they're changing her killer for the show or it never really mattered. i hate all the theories that it could be anyone's little brother or little sister, bc we should assume all valyrian words are genderless. i do feel like they're foreshadowing jaime killing cersei in season 8. what with the euron hinting to cersei that she should kill jaime in ep 1 and how cersei threatens to kill jaime in 7x07 but its an obvious bluff that she doesn't even bother to pretend she meant. so it will be ironic when jaime kills her in season 8 because cersei had all these opportunities to kill him season 7 but she just didn't. so i think it will be jaime but the context is hard to predict at this moment imo. and who knows when we'll get leaks.......all i know is that its going to be insufferable seeing people screaming at jaime to kill cersei in every scene they have together in season 7
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Post by Lovely Lyanna on Jul 20, 2017 22:35:06 GMT -5
They have put the description of episode two up on the guide screen of Comcast. Dany receives an unexpected visitor. Jon faces a revolt. Tyrion plots the conquest of Westeros. I do not like the Jon faces a revolt description at all.
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Post by izzue on Jul 20, 2017 23:13:21 GMT -5
I do not like the Jon faces a revolt description at all. I don't, either. That would be Yohn Royce's "A Targaryen cannot be trusted". Jerk. Imagine Royce's reaction if he ever came face to face with a WW. The man has no clue.
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Post by lordcarson on Jul 20, 2017 23:37:48 GMT -5
oh god wait
is everyone gonna find out that jon is a targaryen at the same time
what if the reason he's beyond the wall is because he gets kicked out of winterfell and meets the brotherhood on the way north
oh god what is happening
pls dont tell me if im right
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jul 21, 2017 0:11:58 GMT -5
I do not like the Jon faces a revolt description at all. I don't, either. That would be Yohn Royce's "A Targaryen cannot be trusted". Jerk. Imagine Royce's reaction if he ever came face to face with a WW. The man has no clue. I think it's because The North and The Vale allied during RR to take down the Targaryen dynasty so Royce could have this initial reaction that almost every Targaryen will be like Aerys and a majority of them still think Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, but you're right Jon has seen the real threat, he's one of the few in that room who has. It's not as much about trust anymore as it is about banding together to fight against them. What's interesting is Royce's son was killed by WW too in the pilot, but he doesn't know the truth about that.
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Post by izzue on Jul 21, 2017 0:21:30 GMT -5
I don't, either. That would be Yohn Royce's "A Targaryen cannot be trusted". Jerk. Imagine Royce's reaction if he ever came face to face with a WW. The man has no clue. I think it's because The North and The Vale allied during RR to take down the Targaryen dynasty so Royce could have this initial reaction that almost every Targaryen will be like Aerys and a majority of them still think Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, but you're right Jon has seen the real threat, he's one of the few in that room who has. It's not as much about trust anymore as it is about banding together to fight against them. What's interesting is Royce's son was killed by WW too in the pilot, but he doesn't know the truth about that. Ohhhhhh - completely forgot that Waymar was Royce's son!!! How ironic! And, too, the North remembers all the way back to how cruelly Aerys killed Ned's father and brother.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jul 21, 2017 0:42:49 GMT -5
I think it's because The North and The Vale allied during RR to take down the Targaryen dynasty so Royce could have this initial reaction that almost every Targaryen will be like Aerys and a majority of them still think Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, but you're right Jon has seen the real threat, he's one of the few in that room who has. It's not as much about trust anymore as it is about banding together to fight against them. What's interesting is Royce's son was killed by WW too in the pilot, but he doesn't know the truth about that. Ohhhhhh - completely forgot that Waymar was Royce's son!!! How ironic!
And, too, the North remembers all the way back to how cruelly Aerys killed Ned's father and brother. I dunno if it would matter now, but I wonder if Jon or Bran know about that.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jul 21, 2017 2:33:21 GMT -5
Ohhhhhh - completely forgot that Waymar was Royce's son!!! How ironic!
And, too, the North remembers all the way back to how cruelly Aerys killed Ned's father and brother. I dunno if it would matter now, but I wonder if Jon or Bran know about that. Well, shouldn't but it would be nice if show note this connection. With Jon and/or Bran knowledge about this, they should know but... With Bran I think we cannot be sure for now how his powers work: does he know everything or does he still have to checked in visions? Jon got several chances to learn about it, but I'm not sure if name Royce was spoken in front of him on screen. But we could say that characters got some obvious knowledge from the off screen, right? Either way the only opportunity to mention young Royce would be if older start to underestimate WW, and I don't see reason why show would waste time for that.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jul 21, 2017 2:47:27 GMT -5
I dunno if it would matter now, but I wonder if Jon or Bran know about that. Well, shouldn't but it would be nice if show note this connection. With Jon and/or Bran knowledge about this, they should know but... With Bran I think we cannot be sure for now how his powers work: does he know everything or does he still have to checked in visions? Jon got several chances to learn about it, but I'm not sure if name Royce was spoken in front of him on screen. But we could say that characters got some obvious knowledge from the off screen, right? Either way the only opportunity to mention young Royce would be if older start to underestimate WW, and I don't see reason why show would waste time for that. I don't think Bran knows everything at least not yet, but I was thinking back to the scene where Ned executes Will for deserting the NW. Jon and Bran were there, but Will never mentioned to Ned about his NW's brothers being killed by WW on screen. But I agree, I doubt it would be brought up. Besides Jon, even if The Vale has a difficult relationship with the wildings, I'd think Royce and the Vale would still believe them about the WW threat to an extent, but it doesn't become surreal and chilling for them until they see it with their own eyes.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 21, 2017 4:19:29 GMT -5
Well, shouldn't but it would be nice if show note this connection. With Jon and/or Bran knowledge about this, they should know but... With Bran I think we cannot be sure for now how his powers work: does he know everything or does he still have to checked in visions? Jon got several chances to learn about it, but I'm not sure if name Royce was spoken in front of him on screen. But we could say that characters got some obvious knowledge from the off screen, right? Either way the only opportunity to mention young Royce would be if older start to underestimate WW, and I don't see reason why show would waste time for that. I don't think Bran knows everything at least not yet, but I was thinking back to the scene where Ned executes Will for deserting the NW. Jon and Bran were there, but Will never mentioned to Ned about his NW's brothers being killed by WW on screen. But I agree, I doubt it would be brought up. Besides Jon, even if The Vale has a difficult relationship with the wildings, I'd think Royce and the Vale would still believe them about the WW threat to an extent, but it doesn't become surreal and chilling for them until they see it with their own eyes. will said he saw the walkers. ned thought he was crazy but passed it on benjen, leading to benjy's own encounter with the others. i think waymar's fate could be worked out if jon knew he was one of the guys with will, but i don't recall him ever learning about those guys' names on the show. book!jon def knows all 3 names tho so it wouldn't be a plothole to assume he learned offscreen and it'd be nice to see him tell yohn.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jul 21, 2017 5:17:10 GMT -5
Less than 63 hours till the next one excitement increases
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Post by Envie on Jul 21, 2017 6:23:06 GMT -5
I don't think Bran knows everything at least not yet, but I was thinking back to the scene where Ned executes Will for deserting the NW. Jon and Bran were there, but Will never mentioned to Ned about his NW's brothers being killed by WW on screen. But I agree, I doubt it would be brought up. Besides Jon, even if The Vale has a difficult relationship with the wildings, I'd think Royce and the Vale would still believe them about the WW threat to an extent, but it doesn't become surreal and chilling for them until they see it with their own eyes. will said he saw the walkers. ned thought he was crazy but passed it on benjen, leading to benjy's own encounter with the others. i think waymar's fate could be worked out if jon knew he was one of the guys with will, but i don't recall him ever learning about those guys' names on the show. book!jon def knows all 3 names tho so it wouldn't be a plothole to assume he learned offscreen and it'd be nice to see him tell yohn. I think this would be the coolest thing if they could find a way to do a callback (flashback?) from Bran to the season 1 opening scene somehow and remind people that was Waymar Royce who was killed by the White Walkers. It would feel like their story has finally come full circle. One thing I remember from the books was getting a sense that the 'Others' as they're called in the books, were trying to communicate with man and give them warnings (not killing all, letting some go back to warn like Will). A pact had been broken, a deal made with the CotF and the First Men not to cross the wall. I'm not sure how they would do this, but Bran was there at Will's beheading and so was Jon. Jon would definitely know who Will was out ranging with when it went down, so maybe he'll mention it to Royce about his son. I'm sure most general show watchers didn't know Waymar Royce's name or relations but it would still be a nice book fan nod.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 21, 2017 6:55:01 GMT -5
will said he saw the walkers. ned thought he was crazy but passed it on benjen, leading to benjy's own encounter with the others. i think waymar's fate could be worked out if jon knew he was one of the guys with will, but i don't recall him ever learning about those guys' names on the show. book!jon def knows all 3 names tho so it wouldn't be a plothole to assume he learned offscreen and it'd be nice to see him tell yohn. I think this would be the coolest thing if they could find a way to do a callback (flashback?) from Bran to the season 1 opening scene somehow and remind people that was Waymar Royce who was killed by the White Walkers. It would feel like their story has finally come full circle. One thing I remember from the books was getting a sense that the 'Others' as they're called in the books, were trying to communicate with man and give them warnings (not killing all, letting some go back to warn like Will). A pact had been broken, a deal made with the CotF and the First Men not to cross the wall. the book scene had the others laughing as they butchered waymar. they were holding back at first only until his sword shattered and it was clear he was no threat (no azor ahai or last hero). and will was hiding in a tree the whole time until the others left. it was wight!waymar who killed him. the pact is pure fanon which ignores all the wight horses and wight bears.
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Post by Envie on Jul 21, 2017 7:27:32 GMT -5
I think this would be the coolest thing if they could find a way to do a callback (flashback?) from Bran to the season 1 opening scene somehow and remind people that was Waymar Royce who was killed by the White Walkers. It would feel like their story has finally come full circle. One thing I remember from the books was getting a sense that the 'Others' as they're called in the books, were trying to communicate with man and give them warnings (not killing all, letting some go back to warn like Will). A pact had been broken, a deal made with the CotF and the First Men not to cross the wall. the book scene had the others laughing as they butchered waymar. they were holding back at first only until his sword shattered and it was clear he was no threat (no azor ahai or last hero). and will was hiding in a tree the whole time until the others left. it was wight!waymar who killed him. the pact is pure fanon which ignores all the wight horses and wight bears. It's not just that first opening scene where this idea is explored though, there are references to it scattered throughout the books that there's more to it than them simply being undead or ice demons bent on destroying man. Yes they changed it a bit in the show (Will is confronted by them rather than hiding in a tree), but there are other places where it's noted they don't always kill immediately or indiscriminately. In the books Tormund mentions how the White Walkers had been hounding their army the whole way to the wall ... as if they were almost driving or herding them that direction. We know from Hardhome they could have just massacred them entirely and raised the dead to keep killing more. But they didn't do that at the wall. They massacred everyone at Hardhome, presumedly, because those wildlings didn't go south of the wall like the rest. The hint here is that the white walkers want men to stay south of the wall and that the wall was meant to be the boundary between their worlds. You can call it fan fiction if you want but it's every bit as much a theory with supporting evidence from the books as any other theory that has since come true such as R+L=J. The Children of the Forest have even confirmed (on the show of course) that they created the Night King to fight the men but that backfired on them. I think this is also a hint supporting an agreement of some kind that happened with the northerners or even the Starks themselves and will, in time, be revealed by the end of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 7:35:47 GMT -5
the book scene had the others laughing as they butchered waymar. they were holding back at first only until his sword shattered and it was clear he was no threat (no azor ahai or last hero). and will was hiding in a tree the whole time until the others left. it was wight!waymar who killed him. the pact is pure fanon which ignores all the wight horses and wight bears. It's not just that first opening scene where this idea is explored though, there are references to it scattered throughout the books that there's more to it than them simply being undead or ice demons bent on destroying man. Yes they changed it a bit in the show (Will is confronted by them rather than hiding in a tree), but there are other places where it's noted they don't always kill immediately or indiscriminately. In the books Tormund mentions how the White Walkers had been hounding their army the whole way to the wall ... as if they were almost driving or herding them that direction. We know from Hardhome they could have just massacred them entirely and raised the dead to keep killing more. But they didn't do that at the wall. They massacred everyone at Hardhome, presumedly, because those wildlings didn't go south of the wall like the rest. The hint here is that the white walkers want men to stay south of the wall and that the wall was meant to be the boundary between their worlds. You can call it fan fiction if you want but it's every bit as much a theory with supporting evidence from the books as any other theory that has since come true such as R+L=J. The Children of the Forest have even confirmed (on the show of course) that they created the Night King to fight the men but that backfired on them. I think this is also a hint supporting an agreement of some kind that happened with the northerners or even the Starks themselves and will, in time, be revealed by the end of the story. Regardless, the solution to the Great War will probably be something else than a huge battle where the good humans kill the evil demons. Some kind of deal.
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