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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 20:38:58 GMT -5
If S7 gives us Euron/Cersei vs Daenerys/allies + CLEGANEBOWL amidst all this madness, culminating in a "BURN THEM ALL!" moment in which Jaime kills Cersei and Sandor kills Gregor, I will be one happy mofo. QUEENBOWL + STORMBOWL + CLEGANEBOWL all at once! Well, that might surpass SNOWBOWL and become the bowl of all bowls. Blasphemy, I know  Yep. If all these bowls happen at the same time, this will forever be known as the MANY-FACED BOWL.  |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 27, 2016 20:44:54 GMT -5
QUEENBOWL + STORMBOWL + CLEGANEBOWL all at once! Well, that might surpass SNOWBOWL and become the bowl of all bowls. Blasphemy, I know Yep. If all these bowls happen at the same time, this will forever be known as the MANY-FACED BOWL.  |
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Post by Envie on Jun 30, 2016 8:08:22 GMT -5
Queenbowl is definitely happening and it's super exciting to try and unravel the plot and who will be on what side of this one. Unlike the obvious Snowbowl, this one's got a lot of wildcards that will play out at the start of Season 7 to bring the pieces together in alliances. The reason I think it has to play out fairly early on is because the sides have to get to some point they realize the actual war is at the wall and the White Walkers coming ... not against each other. The Citadel sent out all the white ravens, but until the wall falls or at least until reports start coming down from the north of the undead army's movement southward (if the wall doesn't actually go down) the politics are still deciding who rules. So Queenbowl will happen early on and then the sides will have to unite. I'm still betting on some sort of massive Westerosi Summit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 8:12:46 GMT -5
Queenbowl is definitely happening and it's super exciting to try and unravel the plot and who will be on what side of this one. Unlike the obvious Snowbowl, this one's got a lot of wildcards that will play out at the start of Season 7 to bring the pieces together in alliances. The reason I think it has to play out fairly early on is because the sides have to get to some point they realize the actual war is at the wall and the White Walkers coming ... not against each other. The Citadel sent out all the white ravens, but until the wall falls or at least until reports start coming down from the north of the undead army's movement southward (if the wall doesn't actually go down) the politics are still deciding who rules. So Queenbowl will happen early on and then the sides will have to unite. I'm still betting on some sort of massive Westerosi Summit. Yeah, there are a lot of wildcards in this one. I agree. It makes it super exciting. However, I don't think QUEENBOWL will happen early on. I have a feeling the Wall falling could be the final scene of S7. The realization that the actual war is at the Wall will be a season 8 thing, I think.  But really, it's too early to tell. You could be right. |
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Post by Envie on Jun 30, 2016 8:15:42 GMT -5
Queenbowl is definitely happening and it's super exciting to try and unravel the plot and who will be on what side of this one. Unlike the obvious Snowbowl, this one's got a lot of wildcards that will play out at the start of Season 7 to bring the pieces together in alliances. The reason I think it has to play out fairly early on is because the sides have to get to some point they realize the actual war is at the wall and the White Walkers coming ... not against each other. The Citadel sent out all the white ravens, but until the wall falls or at least until reports start coming down from the north of the undead army's movement southward (if the wall doesn't actually go down) the politics are still deciding who rules. So Queenbowl will happen early on and then the sides will have to unite. I'm still betting on some sort of massive Westerosi Summit. Yeah, there are a lot of wildcards in this one. I agree. It makes it super exciting. However, I don't think QUEENBOWL will happen early on. I have a feeling the Wall falling could be the final scene of S7. The realization that the actual war is at the Wall will be a season 8 thing, I think. But really, it's too early to tell. You could be right. Maybe I'm overestimating how long the forces of Westeros are going to need to get their shit together and organize an actual defensive front against the Night King? I feel like getting the "petty politics" of the Iron Throne out of the way is really necessary before people can stop losing sight of the forest for the trees. Maybe as some others have said, they don't want the White Walkers roaming Westeros until closer to the very end because an entire season of undead CGI battles in Westeros would be tough. |
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Post by moiaf on May 24, 2017 13:14:05 GMT -5
Cersei might get the upper hand this time but I'm rooting for my queen in the long run.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 24, 2017 13:26:21 GMT -5
Cersei might get the upper hand this time but I'm rooting for my queen in the long run. i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. |
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Cersei might get the upper hand this time but I'm rooting for my queen in the long run. i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. Oh yeah that pact that makes Dany and Jon look so foolish. Cersei in the meantine gets Golden Company with about 20 000 men and remaining forces of Lannisters and Ironborn. For me the winner next season will be Cersei, as fierce lioness puls off another triumph. She's starting to grow on me. |
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Post by moiaf on May 24, 2017 13:38:32 GMT -5
Cersei might get the upper hand this time but I'm rooting for my queen in the long run. i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. Oh yeah that pact that makes Dany and Jon look so foolish. Cersei in the meantine gets Golden Company with about 20 000 men and remaining forces of Lannisters and Ironborn. For me the winner next season will be Cersei, as fierce lioness puls off another triumph. She's starting to grow on me. I'm with TMQ I think it's a stand still. Cersei wins by "remaining queen" but I don't think anyone else, audience included, will see her as the winner. It's like she wins by not completely loosing or because Dany and Jon let her sit on the stupid Iron Throne. It's not a victory she earns. |
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i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. Oh yeah that pact that makes Dany and Jon look so foolish. Cersei in the meantine gets Golden Company with about 20 000 men and remaining forces of Lannisters and Ironborn. For me the winner next season will be Cersei, as fierce lioness puls off another triumph. She's starting to grow on me. I'm with TMQ I think it's a stand still. Cersei wins by "remaining queen" but I don't think anyone else, audience included, will see her as the winner. It's like she wins by not completely loosing or because Dany and Jon let her sit on the stupid Iron Throne. It's not a victory she earns. Cersei is no position wher she little to lose and alot to gain. Dany and Jon has to fight white walkers and Cersei noticed Dany hd only two and not three dragons. She knows dragons are vulnerable and if her idea of the white walkers trimming down their forces wil work, more points for her.
The whole Jon's arc and Dany's arc seems like a disaster when you look at it. This might planned to have it this way to seem they're in deep shit.
Dany will loose a lot of allies, don't get much close to iron throne and got even bigger problems at her doorstep. Jon wanted to convince Cersei and with Dany fell for her tricks. Tyrion should have said something or do not trust her at all. All they got is Jaime with one arm. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 24, 2017 14:15:26 GMT -5
So the military engagements we have are:
-the naval battle. the capture of yara greyjoy, ellaria and tyene sand.
-the attack of casterly rock. unsullied infiltrate the lannister stronghold and take control of the castle.
-the fall of highgarden. jaime lannister leads an army to sack highgarden. Tyrell armies are defeated and Olenna Tyrell kills herself.
-the battle on the kingsroad. Daenerys Targaryen leads a Dothraki horde and the dragon Drogon into an ambush against the Lannister-Tarly forces on the Kingsroad.
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Post by moiaf on May 24, 2017 18:17:08 GMT -5
I'm with TMQ I think it's a stand still. Cersei wins by "remaining queen" but I don't think anyone else, audience included, will see her as the winner. It's like she wins by not completely loosing or because Dany and Jon let her sit on the stupid Iron Throne. It's not a victory she earns. Cersei is no position wher she little to lose and alot to gain. Dany and Jon has to fight white walkers and Cersei noticed Dany hd only two and not three dragons. She knows dragons are vulnerable and if her idea of the white walkers trimming down their forces wil work, more points for her.
The whole Jon's arc and Dany's arc seems like a disaster when you look at it. This might planned to have it this way to seem they're in deep shit.
Dany will loose a lot of allies, don't get much close to iron throne and got even bigger problems at her doorstep. Jon wanted to convince Cersei and with Dany fell for her tricks. Tyrion should have said something or do not trust her at all. All they got is Jaime with one arm. I think by the time the Dranpit parley happens, Cersei will have no other option but to ,set with Dany and Jon. Because if she was winning there is not way in hell she would agree to meet with them. That's just not her MO. So I think we are meant to interpret her "victory" as a hollow victory. She's only victorious because she's being allowed to be, not because she actually won.
That's my interpretation given the information we have but I'll happily wait to watch the scene to see how it it portrayed and how it comes out before making final judgment. Because it's hard to tell given the limited amount of information we have. |
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Post by belle on May 25, 2017 16:37:04 GMT -5
i think season seven will essentially see them fighting to a standstill until the dragonpit and non-aggression pact. Oh yeah that pact that makes Dany and Jon look so foolish. Cersei in the meantine gets Golden Company with about 20 000 men and remaining forces of Lannisters and Ironborn. For me the winner next season will be Cersei, as fierce lioness puls off another triumph. She's starting to grow on me. her only real losses for the season are breaking up with jaime and losing her baby. but tbh both those losses are "wins" to me lol. hate jaime/cersei and i don't want to see cersei as a mother anymore . |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 25, 2017 16:42:05 GMT -5
Oh yeah that pact that makes Dany and Jon look so foolish. Cersei in the meantine gets Golden Company with about 20 000 men and remaining forces of Lannisters and Ironborn. For me the winner next season will be Cersei, as fierce lioness puls off another triumph. She's starting to grow on me. her only real losses for the season are breaking up with jaime and losing her baby. but tbh both those losses are "wins" to me lol. hate jaime/cersei and i don't want to see cersei as a mother anymore . weellll dany does hand Jaime his ass after Highgarden, and the Unsullied take the rock. They clearly weren't enough, but her and Dany do fight pretty evenly. |
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Post by belle on May 25, 2017 16:47:41 GMT -5
the one question i do have...is why we're obviously and rightfully supposed to see cersei's betrayal as evil and fucked up. like just looking at from her own shoes, isn't it somewhat understandable that she betrays them? even if the lannister army + dany/jon's froces beat the WWs together. afterwards, jon and dany would still want to take the throne from her and kill her or imprison her for life. like i can't imagine a scenario in which jon/dany just let cersei be un-punished even if she helps them with the WW?? and even if betraying jon/dany means that she'll have the deal with the WWs on her own....well Cersei could just wildfire them lol. and the icing on the cake of all this is that jon shows that he's not so "netural" afterall by knweeling to dany at the dragonpit and dany lying to cersei by omission in regards to the dragons and viserion. |
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