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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 19:23:42 GMT -5
I think some people didn't like Sansa and Arya's conversation because it revealed some ugly truths about both of them. I don't understand why Arya would be bothered by Sansa's letter she sent to Robb/Catelyn. Arya is smart enough to understand this was written by Cersei. How is this meant to put them at odds with each other, i guess the fact that littlefinger said 'lady Stark thanks you'. What a little turd that guy is. Lord Glover is also such a snake. Jon is gone for two seconds and he changes his opinion with only a little prodding from littlefinger. The thing is, Sansa really could have been Queen in the North, Jon didn't want it. But she didn't want to accept the responsibility of it, or was too scared to.... or maybe she's learnt from littlefinger that you can have more influence in the shadows than the spotlight. I think that's Sansa's angle. Also i think Dany was totally justified in burning the Tarly's. Firstly they betrayed the Tyrells, her allies, (punishable by death in this society) and they are her enemies. As she said, if she kept them in chains that would become an 'option' and she needs army men not 'options'. Although, my criticism of the scene is, she should have said what they were being executed for, and it shouldn't have just been for not 'bending the knee'. I guess she didn't give the Tarly's a good picture of what her ruling would be like, she should have waited a little to execute them, but i guess time was a factor. Also fuck Randyll Tarly, what a hypocrit, "you killed your own father" WELL WHAT A SAINT YOU ARE, YOU WHO WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS OWN SON HAD HE NOT GONE TO THE WALL. Glover seems so easy to sway. He change his opinions at the drop of a hat "House Stark is dead" ... "The King in the North!" "You expect me to train my granddaughter?" ... "Sure if Lyanna says so" I sure wouldn't want someone so indecisive as a bannerman.
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Post by Envie on Aug 15, 2017 19:44:33 GMT -5
Also fuck Randyll Tarly, what a hypocrit, "you killed your own father" WELL WHAT A SAINT YOU ARE, YOU WHO WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS OWN SON HAD HE NOT GONE TO THE WALL. Awesome point and one I saw mentioned by only one person in the reaction videos too. They said Randyll was wrong about Daenerys as she was born here in Westeros and does have a claim and he's wrong about calling out Tyrion for killing his Father when he was willing to kill his own son. Bam. I also watched one woman get upset because some commenters jumped on her case for wanting "Dicky" to die too but she had a good point ... when Sam was being abused by his Father, Dickon never once rose to his defense the way Sam's Mother did, so clearly Dickon was siding with his Father and may have ended up with the same attitude.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 15, 2017 19:49:35 GMT -5
Let's face facts. Papa Tarly would never win Westeros' "Father of the Year" award. Thank the seven Sam has his mother's good heart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 19:54:46 GMT -5
Let's face facts. Papa Tarly would never win Westeros' "Father of the Year" award. Thank the seven Sam has his mother's good heart. Maester Aemon ended up being more of a father to Sam than Randyll ever was.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 15, 2017 23:39:02 GMT -5
This episode is getting better and better after every rewatch. I agree, I've watched it like 5 or 6 times already and on top of that skimmed through some scenes a few times.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 16, 2017 4:32:25 GMT -5
I need clarification.Tyrion said that Cersei killed Tarly's rightful queen , who's he talking about? Olenna was not a queen so is he refering to Margaery?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 4:59:47 GMT -5
Also fuck Randyll Tarly, what a hypocrit, "you killed your own father" WELL WHAT A SAINT YOU ARE, YOU WHO WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS OWN SON HAD HE NOT GONE TO THE WALL. Awesome point and one I saw mentioned by only one person in the reaction videos too. They said Randyll was wrong about Daenerys as she was born here in Westeros and does have a claim and he's wrong about calling out Tyrion for killing his Father when he was willing to kill his own son. Bam. I also watched one woman get upset because some commenters jumped on her case for wanting "Dicky" to die too but she had a good point ... when Sam was being abused by his Father, Dickon never once rose to his defense the way Sam's Mother did, so clearly Dickon was siding with his Father and may have ended up with the same attitude. Well in fairness none of them really did. Dickon and Talla both just sat in silence at the dinner table, and Sam's mother waited about a solid 5 minutes before "losing her appetite" and actually speaking out. I'd wager the other two didn't say anything out of fear that Randyll would turn on them, not because they sided with him. I think Dickon's conversations with Jaime (and Bronn) showed that he wasn't like his father. He's clearly shy and more sympathetic to others, hence changing his opinion of battle from "it was glorious" to being remorseful for fighting people he knew. Just because he's daddy's favourite son doesn't mean he ended up like him.
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Post by Nezzer on Aug 16, 2017 5:00:33 GMT -5
I need clarification.Tyrion said that Cersei killed Tarly's rightful queen , who's he talking about? Olenna was not a queen so is he refering to Margaery? Olenna was called Queen of Thorns, so it could be either her or Margaery. It works for both of them, so it's probably both.
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Post by melrose on Aug 16, 2017 8:01:22 GMT -5
I need clarification.Tyrion said that Cersei killed Tarly's rightful queen , who's he talking about? Olenna was not a queen so is he refering to Margaery? Margaery. She was married to the king, Tommen.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 16, 2017 9:54:22 GMT -5
I need clarification.Tyrion said that Cersei killed Tarly's rightful queen , who's he talking about? Olenna was not a queen so is he refering to Margaery? Margaery. She was married to the king, Tommen. Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him.
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Post by Envie on Aug 16, 2017 10:22:43 GMT -5
Margaery. She was married to the king, Tommen. Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him. I think Tyrion was referring to the rightful Queen at the time it all went down and that was technically Margaery as she was married to Tommen and then Cersei killed her in the Sept explosion. Daenerys wouldn't be rightful Queen until she landed in Westeros and the Tarlys pledged to her or she took the throne herself is my guess even though Tyrion has pledged to her. Technically Margaery was Queen of Westeros when House Tarly was still under House Tyrrell.
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Post by melrose on Aug 16, 2017 11:03:33 GMT -5
Margaery. She was married to the king, Tommen. Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him. Oh, I see. I think he tried to make him see how ridiculous he was being. Tarly doesn't recognise Dany's authority, but he did recognise Margaery and Tommen as the royal couple.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 11:08:03 GMT -5
Margaery. She was married to the king, Tommen. Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him. Why's that weird? Tarly didn't swear any oath to Dany; he swore to Tommen, and by extension Margaery. She was Tarly's queen.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 16, 2017 16:08:02 GMT -5
Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him. Oh, I see. I think he tried to make him see how ridiculous he was being. Tarly doesn't recognise Dany's authority, but he did recognise Margaery and Tommen as the royal couple. You're probably right. Thanks for clarification.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 16, 2017 16:16:48 GMT -5
Yes I know Margaery was queen. Weird that Tyrion refers to Marge as rightful queen when the true queen stands besides him. Why's that weird? Tarly didn't swear any oath to Dany; he swore to Tommen, and by extension Margaery. She was Tarly's queen. I just tought that Dany wouldn't recognize Tommen and Margaery as rightful monarchs when she is the true queen. That's why I tought it was little weird by Tyrion , as from Targaryen pov the Baratheons are usurpers and not rightful at all. But as Melrose mentioned it was probably just something Tyrion said to prove a point to Tarly . And now I'm wondering why I got hung up on this scene. I feal like a ranter and raver now , which is the last thing I want to be .
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