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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:12:23 GMT -5
While I agree with the idea that everyone should be allowed to rate it as they want to, I've always been a strong advocate of "you have to always give reasons for the things you say", especially when it's an unpopular or extreme opinion. You can surely argue that nobody should be forced to state their opinion and I agree with that too. But then I wonder why would someone, who doesn't want to share their opinion, vote in the first place? It seems a bit inconsistent. Last but not least, I know that these rating scales are subjective and art itself even more so. But not even "Twilight", one of the worst movies I've ever seen, got a 2/10 from me. Which makes it even stranger to me that someone would be on a very show-friendly forum and actually go through the trouble of voting a 2 here. I guess I'm just really curious. But who knows, it could have been by accident as someone before me suggested. But the fact that we are even considering this possibility proves that this is at least a bit out of the ordinary and people are not wrong for wanting to know the reasoning behind it before adding it to the average rating.
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Post by Envie on Aug 29, 2017 18:53:19 GMT -5
But the fact that we are even considering this possibility proves that this is at least a bit out of the ordinary and people are not wrong for wanting to know the reasoning behind it before adding it to the average rating. The key here is that in our group of forum members, the lowest justified score I think I've seen in the past 2 seasons was a 5 or 6, and those people were willing to back up their vote with reasons they voted that way. We respect that right to view an episode as bad based on reasons we may not agree with, that's never been a problem here. We're a tight knit group and most of us are pretty big fanboys and fangirls so for someone in here to actually vote a legit 2 means someone is probably either very upset and doesn't want to talk about it or is trolling to purposely bring the average down. Just my thoughts on it and it's not up to me whether it gets counted in the overall averages or not. I think whoever did vote that low should at least be willing to say why. It's not like this is reddit and you can be downvoted by hundreds of people. We're GoT fan family here.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 29, 2017 19:43:15 GMT -5
Gave this an 8. -The scenes with the ending, The Hound and Brienne, Tyrion and Cersei, Sansa and Arya, and Theon are the highlights for me. -It's refreshing that the pacing in this episode is more steady than the previous (especially the last episode) where it was pretty rushed. -how Littlefinger was executed didn't do so well for me. I don't mind him dying off as a coward, but something about it feels underwhelmed given the Winterfell arc was handled and concluded to this -not convinced by the boatsex scene. Sorry Jonerys
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Post by lordcarson on Aug 29, 2017 19:49:58 GMT -5
I didn't vote in any of the previous ones. I voted ten here because somebody voted a two. I can understand if you didn't like it for some reason or another, but a two? Come on now. Meh. Some people rate on single scenes, or the lack of a scene. Others rate it as a whole, others rank it compared to the rest of the series. I personally rate on a combination of the latter two with a large focus on continuity. Some people don't care too much about that and just rank on personal enjoyment which is fair enough since at the end of the day, it's a personal rating. People seem to put far too much energy into focusing on what other people think of it. I'd rather rank an episode that other people thought was good or bad a little lower or a little higher, if that was how I felt, and so should you. At the end of the day, this entire thing is subjective. nah a 2 is stupid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:01:37 GMT -5
While I agree with the idea that everyone should be allowed to rate it as they want to, I've always been a strong advocate of "you have to always give reasons for the things you say", especially when it's an unpopular or extreme opinion. You can surely argue that nobody should be forced to state their opinion and I agree with that too. But then I wonder why would someone, who doesn't want to share their opinion, vote in the first place? It seems a bit inconsistent. Last but not least, I know that these rating scales are subjective and art itself even more so. But not even "Twilight", one of the worst movies I've ever seen, got a 2/10 from me. Which makes it even stranger to me that someone would be on a very show-friendly forum and actually go through the trouble of voting a 2 here. I guess I'm just really curious. But who knows, it could have been by accident as someone before me suggested. But the fact that we are even considering this possibility proves that this is at least a bit out of the ordinary and people are not wrong for wanting to know the reasoning behind it before adding it to the average rating. Could be they don't want their rating discounted, but also don't want to have it shot down by 10 other people. Or maybe they didn't want to drag the mood down with a negative review in the midst of all the positivity. Or maybe they did just make a mistake, and if that's the case then I'd say just wait for them to change it instead of disqualifying it entirely. Some people have this 6 and 7 without saying why, will those be discounted too? Or is it only the low ratings that are ignored? Because that also seems a bit inconsistent. Why don't we just have two ratings and people can choose the one they like best? One with the 2, one without. And by the way, in previous seasons (I checked) there have been 1s and 2s given by some people, who gave no explanation, yet they were included in the average. Why change that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:08:12 GMT -5
8/10
Loved many things.
Cersei and Tyrion talk in the Red Keep. It shows they still respect or love each other a little bit.
Jon and Theon and Theon finding a courage again.
Dragonpit was good ... finally all the characters together but Jon had to be an honorable dummy again. Hound/Brienne like proud mama and papa talking about Arya. Dany's arrival, Cersei as Lena impeccable. Jon and Dany scene was nice too, talking about dragons and children.
Night King taking down the wall was epic but still he looked funky on top of that dragon and dragon was crazy fast.
Whole WF plot was pretty good. LF dying at the hands of the Starks was the most satysfying thing in the finale. Arya and Sansa scene was good on the battlements of WF.
My biggest dissapointment structure of love scene and placement of scenes.
Just do not let Podeswa directing love scenes ever again because he seems better with actions pieces and not such a delicate scenes. Whoever did Grey Worm and Missandei did a far better job. It had the right build up, right set of scenes and all aroud a better scene. BOATSEX was underwhelming. No first kiss? What? Just from closing the door to them naked? Meanwhile we have TOJ and Ned and with Lyanna. Distracting,confusing and simply not right placement of the scenes. Where is their first kiss, undressing each other and some build up. It was weird, rushed and badly thought out. Even Robband Talisa had the right build up.
Overall a good finale, 8/10.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 29, 2017 20:18:51 GMT -5
They're probably scared to give their reasons since everyone takes ratings so seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:24:35 GMT -5
While I agree with the idea that everyone should be allowed to rate it as they want to, I've always been a strong advocate of "you have to always give reasons for the things you say", especially when it's an unpopular or extreme opinion. You can surely argue that nobody should be forced to state their opinion and I agree with that too. But then I wonder why would someone, who doesn't want to share their opinion, vote in the first place? It seems a bit inconsistent. Last but not least, I know that these rating scales are subjective and art itself even more so. But not even "Twilight", one of the worst movies I've ever seen, got a 2/10 from me. Which makes it even stranger to me that someone would be on a very show-friendly forum and actually go through the trouble of voting a 2 here. I guess I'm just really curious. But who knows, it could have been by accident as someone before me suggested. But the fact that we are even considering this possibility proves that this is at least a bit out of the ordinary and people are not wrong for wanting to know the reasoning behind it before adding it to the average rating. Could be they don't want their rating discounted, but also don't want to have it shot down by 10 other people. Or maybe they didn't want to drag the mood down with a negative review in the midst of all the positivity. Or maybe they did just make a mistake, and if that's the case then I'd say just wait for them to change it instead of disqualifying it entirely. Some people have this 6 and 7 without saying why, will those be discounted too? Or is it only the low ratings that are ignored? Because that also seems a bit inconsistent. Why don't we just have two ratings and people can choose the one they like best? One with the 2, one without. And by the way, in previous seasons (I checked) there have been 1s and 2s given by some people, who gave no explanation, yet they were included in the average. Why change that? Oh but I'm not against including it in the average. I was merely trying to explain some of the reactions here. It is a peculiar rating and I'm dying to know the reasoning behind it. I wholeheartedly agree with your idea of not becoming an echochamber but that should be based on people discussing their differences in opinion. I don't think silently rating it a 2 does the trick. Besides, people have given lower ratings before without being shot down by 10 other people. It mostly comes down to reasoning and phrasing. Again, I'm a strong advocate of always giving reasons for one's opinion. I think envie made a good point too. I liked Lordcarson's initial post because it made me chuckle but by all means, include the 2 in the average.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 29, 2017 20:28:32 GMT -5
Well when you value you something like this show and think it is being dismissed on ludicrous grounds by intellectually dishonest lazy critiques from the fandom intelligentsia, one tends to get defensive. Particularly when it's not just in places like ASOIAF reddit and the dozen or so shitty youtube pundits drivel-videos but here in our backyard. I mean if we bother maintaining a site like this and have a ratings section, we have to at least take that semi-seriously. But whatever.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 29, 2017 20:35:51 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever voted lower than a 5 but I don't remember from season to season. I'm too old and have too much other shit rolling around in my head. But I do know I have always given an explanation for my rating. I minored in Theater a lifetime ago, so I tend to look at the production as a whole, adding and subtracting based on a variety of factors, including writing, directing, scoring, pacing, editing, etc. I gave this an 8, but it is a high 8. I've judged harsher this season than any past but the value this year for production dollars spent has set that bar higher. If I have a personal grievance (Dorne) I try not to be afraid to defend my decision even if it is an unpopular one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:17:02 GMT -5
Could be they don't want their rating discounted, but also don't want to have it shot down by 10 other people. Or maybe they didn't want to drag the mood down with a negative review in the midst of all the positivity. Or maybe they did just make a mistake, and if that's the case then I'd say just wait for them to change it instead of disqualifying it entirely. Some people have this 6 and 7 without saying why, will those be discounted too? Or is it only the low ratings that are ignored? Because that also seems a bit inconsistent. Why don't we just have two ratings and people can choose the one they like best? One with the 2, one without. And by the way, in previous seasons (I checked) there have been 1s and 2s given by some people, who gave no explanation, yet they were included in the average. Why change that? Oh but I'm not against including it in the average. I was merely trying to explain some of the reactions here. It is a peculiar rating and I'm dying to know the reasoning behind it. I wholeheartedly agree with your idea of not becoming an echochamber but that should be based on people discussing their differences in opinion. I don't think silently rating it a 2 does the trick. Besides, people have given lower ratings before without being shot down by 10 other people. It mostly comes down to reasoning and phrasing. Again, I'm a strong advocate of always giving reasons for one's opinion. I think envie made a good point too. I liked Lordcarson's initial post because it made me chuckle but by all means, include the 2 in the average. Wait what? This is the basis of my argument and you agree with me - why are we even arguing?
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 29, 2017 21:27:02 GMT -5
I just don't understand the phenomenon of hate-watching. If I would ever think that lowly about anything, I just wouldn't watch. And yet there are whole fandoms built around hate-watching and the online pile-on of it all and railing against shows and everyone involved in them. Obviously if that's how someone wants to spend their time, more power to them. But in the end that kind of negativity can't be healthy.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 29, 2017 22:48:59 GMT -5
I just don't understand the phenomenon of hate-watching. If I would ever think that lowly about anything, I just wouldn't watch. And yet there are whole fandoms built around hate-watching and the online pile-on of it all and railing against shows and everyone involved in them. Obviously if that's how someone wants to spend their time, more power to them. But in the end that kind of negativity can't be healthy.
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Post by dje on Aug 29, 2017 22:54:55 GMT -5
I think the lowest rating I have ever given any episode in any season is a 7, overall, I think GoT has been the best television show to ever be on the air. granted, I am a little bias as a long lover of the books, but the acting is phenomenal, the writing, for the most part, is excellent, and it's a fantastic story. People can rate how they want, but I can't fathom anyone legitimately rating this episode, or any in the series under a 5.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 29, 2017 23:13:45 GMT -5
Well when you value you something like this show and think it is being dismissed on ludicrous grounds by intellectually dishonest lazy critiques from the fandom intelligentsia, one tends to get defensive. Particularly when it's not just in places like ASOIAF reddit and the dozen or so shitty youtube pundits drivel-videos but here in our backyard. I mean if we bother maintaining a site like this and have a ratings section, we have to at least take that semi-seriously. But whatever. Yes. The concern I have with extreme low voting is that it reminds too much of.. other places. Places where people voted 1's and 2's just because it's not the books so it's shit. I do not want that here, there is a reason I left the fandom and only resurfaced after finding out about a certain isle of tranquility. I love the show and only want to join in the conversation on show friendly forums, which we certainly are. That doesn't mean everyone has to vote ten and just praise the show, it doesn't even mean everyone has to like every episode. But I would really like it if everyone here at least had a positive relation to the show, hate watching is not for this forum. Then again, who am I to say anything. I just think most of us can pick up on those subtle things that remind us of other places and we get a bit defensive. Other places are in ruins now, we are thriving
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