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Post by Envie on Aug 30, 2017 10:40:41 GMT -5
The only one I probably disagree with you on overall was the Sansa/Arya plot to catch Littlefinger in a trap and how it was resolved offscreen. If they had made a scene where Bran informs the sisters of all Littlefinger's crimes right down to the catspaw assassin dagger, it would have given away the entire surprise. The show writers want to continue to try and catch the audience off guard and as the show fans get more savvy over the years, that becomes more challenging. I figured it out this was a "test" from Arya back when she threatened Sansa with the dagger and taking her face. That's when I realized something was up behind the scenes. It had to have been after that Bran intervened and while many of us would have liked to see/hear that, they chose to keep it under wraps so that the shock on Littlefinger's face was also shock for the audience. Based on the number of surprised/cheering reactions I saw from youtubers who do that sort of thing as a hobby, it definitely worked. I was annoyed by some of them who seemed to genuinely think Sansa was going to do something to Arya like exile her or something but then I had to stop and realize this was the show writers pulling a good twist scene and the general audience ate it up hook line and sinker. For what they were going for (plot twist), leaving off Bran's inside information and resolution between Arya/Sansa worked. I expect this has been said elsewhere, but they did make a scene similar to that, but ultimately cut it from the episode. uk.ign.com/articles/2017/08/29/game-of-thrones-isaac-hempstead-wright-on-deleted-scene-between-bran-and-sansaOh that's cool, thanks for sharing that! There's so much interview info out there post-season it's hard to catch it all. We can guess they either cut the scene to save time on the already long episode, or they decided the big reveal as a plot twist and surprise trap for Littlefinger was a better way to go.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 31, 2017 17:43:05 GMT -5
How to kill a thread 101. Say some vengeful hyperbolic shit when you've had like four hours of sleep. But I suppose I should be grateful no one bothered replying to it. See folks this is what happens when you drink Crown instead of Jack. Now I think after the abuse I have suffered at your hands I deserve a hug. Come in big guy bring it in. Don't fight it. Sure this had nothing to do with me, but the creative writer in me cannot help but spin this.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 31, 2017 17:46:41 GMT -5
Oh that's cool, thanks for sharing that! There's so much interview info out there post-season it's hard to catch it all. We can guess they either cut the scene to save time on the already long episode, or they decided the big reveal as a plot twist and surprise trap for Littlefinger was a better way to go. Isn't it all pretty obvious in the scene, Bran is sitting there and Arya is wearing Catspaw. She gave it to Sansa, obviously she is in on it or how else would she have gotten it back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 17:47:15 GMT -5
How to kill a thread 101. Say some vengeful hyperbolic shit when you've had like four hours of sleep. But I suppose I should be grateful no one bothered replying to it. See folks this is what happens when you drink Crown instead of Jack. Now I think after the abuse I have suffered at your hands I deserve a hug. Come in big guy bring it in. Don't fight it. Sure this had nothing to do with me, but the creative writer in me cannot help but spin this. Sometimes when I squint my eyes, you remind me of a raccoon I used to know. Maybe you are related. A brother from another raccoon mother.
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Post by Envie on Aug 31, 2017 18:04:05 GMT -5
Isn't it all pretty obvious in the scene, Bran is sitting there and Arya is wearing Catspaw. She gave it to Sansa, obviously she is in on it or how else would she have gotten it back. I don't think everyone caught that though ... it should have been more obvious but it wasn't.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 31, 2017 18:07:03 GMT -5
See folks this is what happens when you drink Crown instead of Jack. Now I think after the abuse I have suffered at your hands I deserve a hug. Come in big guy bring it in. Don't fight it. Sure this had nothing to do with me, but the creative writer in me cannot help but spin this. Sometimes when I squint my eyes, you remind me of a raccoon I used to know. Maybe you are related. A brother from another raccoon mother.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 31, 2017 18:26:50 GMT -5
Isn't it all pretty obvious in the scene, Bran is sitting there and Arya is wearing Catspaw. She gave it to Sansa, obviously she is in on it or how else would she have gotten it back. I don't think everyone caught that though ... it should have been more obvious but it wasn't. I guess it depends on what you thought was going on with Sansa and Arya, remember when I was calming people down? I never saw or read any threat between the two, but I did think LF was well over playing his hand. A lot of people thought she sent Brie away because LF had gotten to her, she sent Brie away because she trusted her. You also can't send Arya, I mean you can, but then everyone in the Red Keep dies and the series end early. Sisters, Fight, borthers fight, Family fights, people fight. You know I never thought one was out to get the other. I had my own take on why Arya gave her the dagger, and I had my take on what Sansa would do, go to Bran. I admit I had a different read then a lot of people, but I thought they related it well enough. To me it wasn't about the sisters fighting it was about Family, Duty, Honor vs. LF. I always assumed when Arya gave her the dagger she did it for a reason. I think a lot of what Arya was getting at was family over outside influences. I also think she wanted Sansa to get Angry not scared. If Arya thought Sansa was going to do something she could of easily gotten out of there. Arya did want something, but Sansa had to make the call, she was looking for a reckoning, a settling of a debt owed. ( I used that because LF was master of coin)
Sansa took care of business, and Sansa and Arya stomped it out.
Arya obviously figured out his game, that's why she turned the tables, and gave Sansa the dagger. She also basically said if I were you I would find out the truth and handed her the dagger. She is a bit like JH now she speaks in code. But that is what she learned, she was never given the answers she was taught to find the answers on her own. She was given some guidance on how to do that. In the end you end with 2 really good scenes. I never took part in the tension aspect of it, but I thought that it worked and the scenes were good.
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Post by Envie on Aug 31, 2017 18:35:42 GMT -5
Arya obviously figured out his game, that's why she turned the tables, and gave Sansa the dagger. She also basically said if I were you I would find out the truth and handed her the dagger. Yes, this is exactly what I said after I saw the scene of them together with the threat from Arya with the dagger and calmed down. I could tell right away she was not only testing Sansa's integrity (the game of lies) but also giving Sansa a huge clue ... "Take this dagger and find out about it, the ball's in your court now" And it's true, Arya speaks in riddles now, she learned well from her Faceless Man mentors. That seems to be part of their theme... to figure out mysteries by creating an air of mystery and confusion. It's an illusion, like the faces. But I'm talking specifically about the dagger being on Arya when she's escorted to the Great Hall. That should have been a huge clue to anyone who was freaking out that this was all an act because the last we saw them, Arya had given the dagger to Sansa so obviously there was some behind the scenes stuff going on we missed. But the dramatic moment made people forget. I knew it was fake because I had already participated in leaks, but even I failed to really put the pieces together about the dagger. A lot of people are put out that they didn't show the exchange of information from Bran to Sansa and Arya but I like the way they did it, and the plot twist went really well for the general audience who seemed genuinely fooled by the act until the minute Sansa turned to Littlefinger. So overall I'd say even with the obvious dagger exchange back to Arya, it was a good play.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 31, 2017 18:55:20 GMT -5
Arya obviously figured out his game, that's why she turned the tables, and gave Sansa the dagger. She also basically said if I were you I would find out the truth and handed her the dagger. Yes, this is exactly what I said after I saw the scene of them together with the threat from Arya with the dagger and calmed down. I could tell right away she was not only testing Sansa's integrity (the game of lies) but also giving Sansa a huge clue ... "Take this dagger and find out about it, the ball's in your court now" And it's true, Arya speaks in riddles now, she learned well from her Faceless Man mentors. That seems to be part of their theme... to figure out mysteries by creating an air of mystery and confusion. It's an illusion, like the faces. But I'm talking specifically about the dagger being on Arya when she's escorted to the Great Hall. That should have been a huge clue to anyone who was freaking out that this was all an act because the last we saw them, Arya had given the dagger to Sansa so obviously there was some behind the scenes stuff going on we missed. But the dramatic moment made people forget. I knew it was fake because I had already participated in leaks, but even I failed to really put the pieces together about the dagger. A lot of people are put out that they didn't show the exchange of information from Bran to Sansa and Arya but I like the way they did it, and the plot twist went really well for the general audience who seemed genuinely fooled by the act until the minute Sansa turned to Littlefinger. So overall I'd say even with the obvious dagger exchange back to Arya, it was a good play. I am glad they fooled people that's part of the series. Though one thing they could of done if they wanted to is when Sansa is alone on the battlements have her looking at the dagger or show in her hands before she walks off. Or you could had Bran holding it in the great hall. But I thought it worked fine. I always thought the show runners knew the tension would be to hard to create and people would pick up on the clues of what Arya was doing. They played it up some, but one of the girls kill the other? Come on now? Outside of that I am curious to see what is going on between Cersei and Tyrion next season. You got the strange looks and a short term plan that will be exposed, but mostly it's the cut scene and Tyrion not telling anyone Cersei is pregnant, that is odd. Plus Jaime will give it away, I wonder if Cersei knew he would cut and run? I think there is much more to her plan than we know. There is a pretty obvious structure to this season. Seasons 6 was a peak you had a lot of good things happening. Season 7 came down from the peak to the valley. Sure Dany and Jon hooked up, but Cersei betrays them,Dany lost her allies and her fleet, Viserion died and became a Wight and the WW breached the wall. D&D touch on the WW low that is juxtaposed to Dany coming to Westeros being a high. So final season should start low and then peak at the end.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 31, 2017 20:03:07 GMT -5
The only one I probably disagree with you on overall was the Sansa/Arya plot to catch Littlefinger in a trap and how it was resolved offscreen. If they had made a scene where Bran informs the sisters of all Littlefinger's crimes right down to the catspaw assassin dagger, it would have given away the entire surprise. The show writers want to continue to try and catch the audience off guard and as the show fans get more savvy over the years, that becomes more challenging. I figured it out this was a "test" from Arya back when she threatened Sansa with the dagger and taking her face. That's when I realized something was up behind the scenes. It had to have been after that Bran intervened and while many of us would have liked to see/hear that, they chose to keep it under wraps so that the shock on Littlefinger's face was also shock for the audience. Based on the number of surprised/cheering reactions I saw from youtubers who do that sort of thing as a hobby, it definitely worked. I was annoyed by some of them who seemed to genuinely think Sansa was going to do something to Arya like exile her or something but then I had to stop and realize this was the show writers pulling a good twist scene and the general audience ate it up hook line and sinker. For what they were going for (plot twist), leaving off Bran's inside information and resolution between Arya/Sansa worked. I expect this has been said elsewhere, but they did make a scene similar to that, but ultimately cut it from the episode. uk.ign.com/articles/2017/08/29/game-of-thrones-isaac-hempstead-wright-on-deleted-scene-between-bran-and-sansaAre there scenes filmed without the director present? I'm trying to work out how Isaac could be uncertain if this scene was meant for the finale when 706 and 707 had different directors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 5:50:34 GMT -5
Are there scenes filmed without the director present? I'm trying to work out how Isaac could be uncertain if this scene was meant for the finale when 706 and 707 had different directors. I think it's probably because he had 3 pretty similar scenes where someone walks into his room while he's busy brooding. I can't really blame him for getting them mixed up, especially if they were filmed out of order.
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Post by belle on Sept 1, 2017 11:52:55 GMT -5
i'm gonna rate this a 7. pretty entertaining but i thought the dragonpit scenes dragged a little, and a lot of the winterfell stuff still doesn't make any sense to me. i also didn't care for boatsex at all and i was pumped during the offseason for it
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Post by belle on Sept 1, 2017 11:53:25 GMT -5
i'm gonna rate this a 7. pretty entertaining but i thought the dragonpit scenes dragged a little, and a lot of the winterfell stuff still doesn't make any sense to me. i also didn't care for boatsex at all and i was pumped during the offseason for it aw shit i can't actually vote anymore bc the poll got locked
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