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Post by Lordimp on Aug 29, 2017 20:27:08 GMT -5
Just read an interesting theory that Cersei will give birth to a boy and this boy is the Valonqar as he will be a little brother to Joff , Myrcella and Tommen . Not likely but a intersting thought. I've seen this one floating around as well since I've been reading to find out who else thinks maybe the baby will live, like me. I think there's some validity both for and against it. I am not a huge fan of the Valonqar prophecy because it was left out of the show entirely. They went through the trouble of doing a Maggy The Frog flashback with young Cersei but left it out. Now that could be because they didn't want to spoiler Cersei's death ahead of time (though book fans have known the same for so long anyways), or it could be because it's flat out not entirely true. As we have learned from Melisandre, prophecies are tricky things and often open to the interpretation of the person giving it. Let's take Mirri Maz Duur for example since it's now relevant to the story all this time later. She prophecized Daenerys would never have another child. But here we are speculating there's a good chance Daenerys gets pregnant with Jon. So if that's true, then it's also possible other prophecies were wrong. Mel's prophecy about Stannis certainly was wrong. Is she any more or less capable of giving real prophecies than Mirri Maz Duur or Maggy the Frog? But back to Cersei, I think it's entirely possible only part of Maggy's fortune telling was true and she could actually have a 4th living child just as much as that child could be what ends her life in birth. *Edit: It's also a good idea to point out here that "Valonqar" is like the Valyrian word for Prince. There's no gender. So it could be little brother -or- little sister. I'm also rooting for the child to live . So I want this theory to be true. But the possibility that KL burns isn't good news for the newborn baby , because Cersei will hold that baby tight to her chest all the time . As much as I want a new Lannister I fear that the child will not live for long. And just for fun I want guess the name of the baby. Boy: Jason Girl: Joanna.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 29, 2017 22:21:32 GMT -5
The House of the Undying vision of a snow fallen and fire scorched Iron Throne will definitely come to pass. The Great War will end there.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Aug 30, 2017 8:48:32 GMT -5
Anyone else think there will be trouble/tension whenever Jon returns to the North? They did make a point throughout this season about the Northern Lords being dissatisfied with Jon and the anger/resentment of him bending the knee to Daenerys. I can't imagine they would drop that entirely, although I could see it being dealt with quickly so that the WW rest can be focused on instead. Interested to see where Sansa and Arya will fall in that regard though - how pissed off will they be that he decided to bend the knee, or will they be okay with it? Other predictions... Mel will return as Old Mel so she can hang around in secret. She'll obviously have done something in Volantis, likely involving the Red Priest's support, but what exactly that is I can't begin to guess at. Jaime reveals Cersei double crossed them, and so they have to coordinate a war on two fronts. I think Tyrion and Varys will be the two major players involved in the war in the South, while Dany and Jon focus on the North. Sansa will remain in Winterfell I think, and show her capability in managing things from there. I think the War in the North will be over first and the survivors will then head South to do clean up in Kings Landing and stuff. This will be when CLEGANEBOWL and the blowing up of King's Landing happen
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Post by Envie on Aug 30, 2017 9:26:01 GMT -5
Anyone else think there will be trouble/tension whenever Jon returns to the North? They did make a point throughout this season about the Northern Lords being dissatisfied with Jon and the anger/resentment of him bending the knee to Daenerys. I can't imagine they would drop that entirely, although I could see it being dealt with quickly so that the WW rest can be focused on instead. Interested to see where Sansa and Arya will fall in that regard though - how pissed off will they be that he decided to bend the knee, or will they be okay with it? I do believe there's going to be some tension, but not enough to make a huge drama bomb over. Sansa and Arya will probably discuss it and they'll have to tell the Northerners at some point as I don't see them not saying anything before Jon arrives on the ship with Daenerys. Remember that Jon planned that specifically so that they would appear 'together' (as both political allies and a couple I think) when they get to the north. If Daenerys had just flown in on Drogon, it would have brought back bad memories of the north bending the knee to Targaryens in the past. Daenerys was specific in mentioning she doesn't want to go there as a 'conqueror' now, despite that being her original goal coming to Westeros. Jon is going to be the best way to break the ice (har har) so to speak between the northerners and her. He's talked these northerners and their objections down before a couple of times and they ultimately respected his decision so I expect they will again when he arrives with her. The key element here will be news that the White Walkers have breached the wall which we know Winterfell will already know about because Bran was warged into the ravens again and saw the whole thing. So, well before Jon and Daenerys arrive on the ship to White Harbor, the north is going to be in crisis mode trying to prepare. When the zombie apocalypse is about to hit, you really don't have time to hash out differences of opinion and political beefs so I expect the issue will get dropped pretty quickly considering Daenerys has 3 2 dragons and is offering firepower support with them. I look forward to seeing how this all plays out. The first episode of Season 8 is going to be immediate insanity and I have a feeling the entire season is going to be a huge thrill ride front to back!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:37:44 GMT -5
With regards to the Northern Lords, I'm gonna bet right now that Glover whinges for a bit then just moves on and forgets. That seems to be his perpetual character arc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:23:25 GMT -5
Wonder if we get a scene between Jorah and Lyanna? Would seem like a missed opportunity if not.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 30, 2017 16:26:25 GMT -5
With regards to the Northern Lords, I'm gonna bet right now that Glover whinges for a bit then just moves on and forgets. That seems to be his perpetual character arc. He seems like a useless dick tbh. I wish he joined Ramsay in S6 and died and that Smalljon joined Jon and survived. Damn Smalljon was a badass.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 30, 2017 23:31:41 GMT -5
With regards to the Northern Lords, I'm gonna bet right now that Glover whinges for a bit then just moves on and forgets. That seems to be his perpetual character arc. yeah, i expect that to peter out just as the much-overblown jealousy of jon by sansa never really got off the ground.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 31, 2017 22:38:12 GMT -5
I want a Bronn and Cersei scene now.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 31, 2017 23:33:45 GMT -5
I want a Bronn and Cersei scene now. I think he'll probably meet up with Jaime when he learns he left. I don't see why he'd stay in KL, but who knows.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 31, 2017 23:50:19 GMT -5
I want a Bronn and Cersei scene now. I think he'll probably meet up with Jaime when he learns he left. I don't see why he'd stay in KL, but who knows. I just meant bc Jerome and Lena have beef haha But yeah, I can't imagine Bronn sticks around KL. Maybe he'll ask Cersei for his reward, and she'll probably promptly tell him to fuck himself lol.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 31, 2017 23:55:37 GMT -5
I think he'll probably meet up with Jaime when he learns he left. I don't see why he'd stay in KL, but who knows. I just meant bc Jerome and Lena have beef haha But yeah, I can't imagine Bronn sticks around KL. Maybe he'll ask Cersei for his reward, and she'll probably promptly tell him to fuck himself lol. I know. That would be an interesting scene too. The only scene they had together was in 301 when Cersei walks out of Tyrion's room, but Meryn is blocking her from Bronn. Then again doesn't really count, they didn't speak to each other.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 1, 2017 0:02:09 GMT -5
I just meant bc Jerome and Lena have beef haha But yeah, I can't imagine Bronn sticks around KL. Maybe he'll ask Cersei for his reward, and she'll probably promptly tell him to fuck himself lol. I know. That would be an interesting scene too. The only scene they had together was in 301 when Cersei walks out of Tyrion's room, but Meryn is blocking her from Bronn. Then again doesn't really count, they didn't speak to each other. Yeah she literally storms right past him. I could very well see a scene in season 8 of Bronn demanding payment from Cersei for everything he's done, now that Jaime's up and left. I'm sure Cersei will not take too kindly to that, leading him to gtfo and go meet up with the LanniBrothers.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Sept 1, 2017 1:36:26 GMT -5
i'm sure bronn is already gone by s8. they just needed jaime riding off alone for dramatic reasons, but i don't imagine cersei will have much westorosi support left except euron's fleet.
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Post by milyagaryen on Sept 1, 2017 8:53:44 GMT -5
So I have decided to venture out of the shipping thread and try participating in the wider community...wish me luck! My (incomplete) predictions: - Sam and Bran tell Jon about his heritage in private. Jon swears them to secrecy. He doesn't tell Daenerys about it and starts drawing away from her. She finds out she is pregnant, but doesn't tell him because he's acting weird. Then eventually she'll have some sort of crisis - e.g. injury in battle and he'll find out about the baby and they will reconcile and get married. What a soap, haha. God knows how this will all fit in while the NK is marching down. - Beyond that, I'm not really sure what might happen for them...I change my mind every hour about whether one or the other, or both will die. I am pretty curious what Daenerys's 3rd fire might involve. I know that the three fires weren't mentioned in the show, but I assume they relate to significant events which we will see portrayed. I'm yet to come up with any good ideas. Given it is a fire to love, it seems likely it will involve saving Jon, their child or the dragons. If she is going to die then I think it will happen as part of this third fire. Definitely not in childbirth, and I don't buy that arrow theory either. - I kind of think Sansa's arc is finished now that they have taken back Winterfell and Littlefinger is dealt with - I don't really see her having a huge role in the final chapter other than managing Winterfell. Possibly planning how to take Cersei down too, but I assume any plan would be actually carried out by others...maybe Arya? I know others have suggested Arya could take the NK down, but I think it makes more sense for Jon or Bran to do this, given they have both got history with him. Which leaves Arya's assassin skills free to be used against Cersei. At the end Sansa will be lady of Winterfell and maybe Warden of the North, with Arya by her side (I don't think Bran is likely to make it) in an awesome display of sisterly solidarity. There won't be any more romance, there are no appropriate suitors in the story at this point imo and she is still so young...there may just be hints that it will happen in her future. This applies to Arya too. Various unoriginal crackpot ideas I sometimes think about, which are all mutually exclusive: - Bran does some sort of crazy warging/time travel and becomes the NK, dies when the NK dies. - Dany and Jon have to give their child up to White Walkers to restore balance or something. Not keen on this idea at all, but I just have this feeling that there is a sense of destiny to them having a child and I can't work out how that could tie in to the story. - The NK makes it to Kings Landing and is ultimately destroyed by Cersei blowing him up along with the whole city (pretty unlikely, but I like the idea of Cersei being the ultimate saviour a la Gollum).
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