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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 3, 2017 16:07:51 GMT -5
Fan art of Jaime killing Cersei
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Post by belle on Sept 3, 2017 16:23:39 GMT -5
Fan art of Jaime killing Cersei lame jaime would never kill cersei in such an impersonal way
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 3, 2017 16:48:09 GMT -5
Fan art of Jaime killing Cersei lame jaime would never kill cersei in such an impersonal way if she burns a million people to death he might lol I always wanted her to die in the Throne Room but I am really digging the Westeros map now. The symbolism would be too good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 16:51:14 GMT -5
I'm quite sure he'll strangle her.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 3, 2017 16:55:52 GMT -5
I'm quite sure he'll strangle her. probably, I just liked the picture Even tho I <3 her I am very excited for her to die. I already know it's gonna be amazing and iconic and Lena's gonna get an Emmy.
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Post by nikma on Sept 3, 2017 17:05:41 GMT -5
It's still cheap in the sense that it's an incredibly lazy and overused fantasy trope, kill the big bad guy and all his minions die with him. Can't say I love the idea. And what would be the alternative?
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Post by nikma on Sept 3, 2017 17:07:05 GMT -5
ikr? I'm not sure what people were expecting? Something original about the ending maybe? This is useful as Sansa's advice to Jon before BOB.
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Post by nikma on Sept 3, 2017 17:14:12 GMT -5
I would like if we saw Jon's fighting the NK in the first half of the season, he attacks him with Longclaw, everyone will think this is it, Jon will kill him and then nothing happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 17:28:14 GMT -5
It's still cheap in the sense that it's an incredibly lazy and overused fantasy trope, kill the big bad guy and all his minions die with him. Can't say I love the idea. And what would be the alternative? Something original about the ending maybe? This is useful as Sansa's advice to Jon before BOB. I'm not an award winning writer, and nor is Basil (as far as I know anyway). Just because we personally can't think of or don't suggest alternatives, it does not make their choices immune to criticism. That's such a flawed argument.
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Post by nikma on Sept 3, 2017 17:34:19 GMT -5
No, it does not make D&D's choices immune to criticism, but it makes your criticism less credible. For me the idea that killing the NK is the key to everything seems like the only real choice the writers had and since no one can give the alternative option, that makes me even more convinced.
I mean, there is the alternative. The WW will win and destroy everyone. And another alternative would be that there is some object that they have to destroy in order to win.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 3, 2017 17:52:45 GMT -5
They needed to make the White Walkers a little less OP. This is what they came up with. Sure it's a little...typical...but it's necessary to make our heroes winning against them somewhat plausible. There isn't enough dragonglass in the world to kill every single one of them. The writers needed to find a way to kill them off in huge quantites, and this is what they came up with. Just because it's been done before doesn't mean it's bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 18:23:50 GMT -5
No, it does not make D&D's choices immune to criticism, but it makes your criticism less credible. For me the idea that killing the NK is the key to everything seems like the only real choice the writers had and since no one can give the alternative option, that makes me even more convinced. I mean, there is the alternative. The WW will win and destroy everyone. And another alternative would be that there is some object that they have to destroy in order to win. Ok. Kill all the WW instead of just the NK. There can't be that many, and they're likely all going south. I'd prefer that to just killing the NK himself and the rest fall down. So is my criticism "credible" now I've suggested an alternative? As for the "it's all been setup this way" argument others have made, the writers wrote themselves into this situation, nobody forced them there. And I don't think the books will have a singular "big bad" who'll be killed and the rest follow suit, so I doubt this is a problem from the adaptation. We shouldn't have to come up with alternatives; we should be able to trust the writers to deliver something better than what's been done before. If they can't do that because of stuff they've written themselves, then I'll criticise them all I want.
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Post by milyagaryen on Sept 3, 2017 18:54:21 GMT -5
I don't really think it's lazy, so much as logical...it makes sense - kill the leader, win the war. That's what Jaime did to Aerys, that's what he was trying to do with Daenerys. The WW just aren't set up enough that we could plausibly have another general step in once the NK is dead, and we're in the final chapter so that is another reason it won't happen. The method of death is still up for grabs though. Maybe Jon will have to go all Khal Drogo on the NK and rip his dragonglass heart out...
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Post by nikma on Sept 3, 2017 18:58:45 GMT -5
Your alternative would be really boring and anticlimactic to watch, but whatever.
I don't know where this idea that GRRM has some great idea about destroying them is coming from, since he never wrote any resolution or big meeting in 5000 pages.
He knows how to write a build-up and mistery, but he still has to prove that he is able to write something more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 19:15:42 GMT -5
Your alternative would be really boring and anticlimactic to watch, but whatever. I don't know where this idea that GRRM has some great idea about destroying them is coming from, since he never wrote any resolution or big meeting in 5000 pages. He knows how to write a build-up and mistery, but he still has to prove that he is able to write something more. I don't suggest an idea, my criticism isn't credible. I suggest an idea, it's boring and anticlimactic. And as if killing the NK and therefore every other WW and wight isn't anticlimactic. That's fucking textbook It's not even that different from my shitty idea - difference is I'm not two professional award-winning writers. I expect them to come up with better than my suggestions.
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