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Post by moiaf on Sept 23, 2017 19:48:50 GMT -5
How so? I know two of the three books are out or are all three out already? They are out. All three of them. The book plays with different points of views, it can get unbelievably confusing, however when everything is revealed it feels satisfying. Although it can give you several headache. The prose is heavy and complex. Sometimes too much. The setting is absolutely original, the world building is magnificent, it is more SciFi than Fantasy but it lacks modern technology. There are pages upon pages upon pages of scientific babble and I didn't get any of it and wasn't really interested honestly. Stuff keeps happening and getting in the way of our protagonist, sometimes this stuff is tedious, pointless and always dreadful. The story get stretched beyond sanity. And we are to,d everything, every minute detail, a lot of it are inner monologue, it can get boring. The characters are complicated, they are all bitter, disillusioned, damaged people if not they are insane, and they have every reason to be bitter, damaged, disillusioned or insane, there is not even a single drop of happiness in this book, it is a dreadful journey in the land of Absolute Dread. The setting is grim, cruel, merciless. The main theme is enslavement. The enemy is this very planet, and human fear and cruelty and ignorance. However, it is a very unique read. And I absolutely wholeheartedly recommend it. It will undoubtedly leave a mark behind. Just step into it knowing what is waiting for you. Well, this just sounds so depressing and I'm not sure I want to read it.
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Post by dje on Sept 24, 2017 0:05:32 GMT -5
Story
1. I felt the overall theme was structured around revenge, and how everyone in some way was seeking it. 2. The writing style didn't really bother me. Some of the visions or dreams that Yeine had confused me at first, I kept wondering if maybe some of them weren't memories, but things that have yet to happen. Probably a question for a later book.
3. I really liked the final chapter/scene, when Nahadoth gets his revenge on Itempas. Mainly because I felt like he had it coming, and Naha was the most tormented of all the prisoners.
Characters
5. Nahadoth was my absolute favorite, I thought he was fleshed out really well and you found yourself pulling for his freedom in the end, even if it meant Yeine's death. I also loved Sieh, he was such a great character. I thought Scimina was a good villain, but like Joffery, there wasn't anything redeeming about her. At least Dekarta was relatable.
6. Which character resonated the least with you? Why?
Zhakkarn and Kurue were for me, mainly because we didn't learn a lot about them except that they were goddesses, one a warrior, the other wise.
7. Did you think the characters were well developed?
I felt the characters more or less were well developed, some of the world building could have been a little better.
8. How does the way the characters see themselves, differ from how others see them? How do you see the various characters?
It's hard to say, because we never get anyone else's perspective except for Enefa's.
Ending
9. Did you think the ending was appropriate? How would you have liked to have seen the ending go?
I actually liked the ending, I thought Yeine would end up surviving when she held the stone, and use it to ascend to becoming the new leader, completely took me by surprise when Viraine was revealed to be Itempas.
Overall
11. I can't think of any other book I've ever read like this, so I enjoyed it's uniqueness.
12. That I'm ready to read the next one lol.
13. No 14. I liked it, was a bit confusing at times with the inter monologues between Yiene and Enefa's
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 1:51:40 GMT -5
They are out. All three of them. The book plays with different points of views, it can get unbelievably confusing, however when everything is revealed it feels satisfying. Although it can give you several headache. The prose is heavy and complex. Sometimes too much. The setting is absolutely original, the world building is magnificent, it is more SciFi than Fantasy but it lacks modern technology. There are pages upon pages upon pages of scientific babble and I didn't get any of it and wasn't really interested honestly. Stuff keeps happening and getting in the way of our protagonist, sometimes this stuff is tedious, pointless and always dreadful. The story get stretched beyond sanity. And we are to,d everything, every minute detail, a lot of it are inner monologue, it can get boring. The characters are complicated, they are all bitter, disillusioned, damaged people if not they are insane, and they have every reason to be bitter, damaged, disillusioned or insane, there is not even a single drop of happiness in this book, it is a dreadful journey in the land of Absolute Dread. The setting is grim, cruel, merciless. The main theme is enslavement. The enemy is this very planet, and human fear and cruelty and ignorance. However, it is a very unique read. And I absolutely wholeheartedly recommend it. It will undoubtedly leave a mark behind. Just step into it knowing what is waiting for you. Well, this just sounds so depressing and I'm not sure I want to read it. I think it's a must a read, honestly. It might sound like I didn't like the book from what I wrote but it isn't like that. It might be a little too much in certain areas but it was all worth it and then some. Although, yes, it is depressing.
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Post by milyagaryen on Sept 24, 2017 1:55:08 GMT -5
I haven't read anyone else's posts yet - just wanted to write down a few thoughts before I did so.
Overall I enjoyed it - it had some interesting ideas, the writing was pretty good, although not particularly amazing.
I really liked Sieh as a character- I felt continually confused by him, but in a good way - such an interesting idea having him as both a child and an adult. I wasn't mad about Nahadoth - I found his darkness a bit melodramatic and didn't really like Yeine's relationship with him - verging on a bit Twilight for my tastes.
Yeine was a pretty good main character although maybe a bit too level headed in her personality to be really interesting. I did not pick up on the Enefa thing until it was literally spelled out, lol. Not sure how I feel about her becoming the goddess at the end, although it probably makes me feel better about her relationship with Nahadoth - I don't really like mortal/god relationships, they feel too unbalanced.
I feel like the conflict with Sciminar and Relad was a bit manufactured- given how weak Relad seemed I don't know how he could have not been taken out by Sciminar long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 1:59:09 GMT -5
They are out. All three of them. The book plays with different points of views, it can get unbelievably confusing, however when everything is revealed it feels satisfying. Although it can give you several headache. The prose is heavy and complex. Sometimes too much. The setting is absolutely original, the world building is magnificent, it is more SciFi than Fantasy but it lacks modern technology. There are pages upon pages upon pages of scientific babble and I didn't get any of it and wasn't really interested honestly. Stuff keeps happening and getting in the way of our protagonist, sometimes this stuff is tedious, pointless and always dreadful. The story get stretched beyond sanity. And we are to,d everything, every minute detail, a lot of it are inner monologue, it can get boring. The characters are complicated, they are all bitter, disillusioned, damaged people if not they are insane, and they have every reason to be bitter, damaged, disillusioned or insane, there is not even a single drop of happiness in this book, it is a dreadful journey in the land of Absolute Dread. The setting is grim, cruel, merciless. The main theme is enslavement. The enemy is this very planet, and human fear and cruelty and ignorance. However, it is a very unique read. And I absolutely wholeheartedly recommend it. It will undoubtedly leave a mark behind. Just step into it knowing what is waiting for you. Actually I think the less you know going into it, the better. I loved the first book so much because of the...let's call them surprises along the way (though I was able to figure out the main one pretty early, and I thought that was really well done). They are written in second person right? Parts of them, definitely. I found that unique in all of the fantasy I have read. I think I liked the books a lot more than you seemed to though, as I didn't find any of it tedious or boring. It is absolutely a dreary, dark series though. This is apparent from the very first chapter though, which begins with a mother cradling her dead child. Sets the tone for the rest of the series. I also agree at it's very science-y. Sort of a sci-if/Fantasy crossover. Anyway, sorry @moaif I won't derail further. I should be done around mid-week so will post some thoughts then Yes, part of it uses the second person, there is a really clever reason for that. I enjoyed the "surprises" quite a lot and I think it was done masterfully even though there is nothing I dislike more than a second point of view narrative. Sometimes, for me, being in the protagonist head was overwhelming. She is very complex and so desperate and I was so engrossed by her and by her story that it left me in "pain" True I did find some part of it tedious and I got frustrated with it now and then. The protagonist pays dearly for every mistake she made. However I did love it and I highly recommend it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 2:10:33 GMT -5
Zhakkarn and Kurue were for me, mainly because we didn't learn a lot about them except that they were goddesses, one a warrior, the other wise. I truly wish the author had spent more time with Zhakkarn and Kurue. I understand Enefa had a stronger relationship with Nahadot and Sieh but Zhakkarn and Kurue were a wasted opportunity, we know so very little of them, we don't even know why they sided with Nahadot in the first place. It would have a taken but a few scenes to explore them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 2:13:01 GMT -5
I haven't read anyone else's posts yet - just wanted to write down a few thoughts before I did so. Overall I enjoyed it - it had some interesting ideas, the writing was pretty good, although not particularly amazing. I really liked Sieh as a character- I felt continually confused by him, but in a good way - such an interesting idea having him as both a child and an adult. I wasn't mad about Nahadoth - I found his darkness a bit melodramatic and didn't really like Yeine's relationship with him - verging on a bit Twilight for my tastes. Yeine was a pretty good main character although maybe a bit too level headed in her personality to be really interesting. I did not pick up on the Enefa thing until it was literally spelled out, lol. Not sure how I feel about her becoming the goddess at the end, although it probably makes me feel better about her relationship with Nahadoth - I don't really like mortal/god relationships, they feel too unbalanced. I feel like the conflict with Sciminar and Relad was a bit manufactured- given how weak Relad seemed I don't know how he could have not been taken out by Sciminar long ago. Sieh was absolutely delightful, his childish nature coupled with the fact that he is millennia old created an interesting paradox. I loved the contradiction, it was very well done and it made for an unique character.
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Post by lojzelote on Sept 24, 2017 13:49:00 GMT -5
Did any of you read further, guys?
I must say I am quite curious about Book 2. Given the way Book 1 ended, I find it unlikely that Yeine will remain the narrator. I'm nearly sure that we will a lot more of Itempas. I wonder if his punishment will be effective and what it will take to improve him.
What other plot threads are there left? I gues we could see Tvrill trying to keep the Arameri empire together. I do wonder if Yeine would help him out (I'm sure Nahadoth would not, lol).
Thinking about it, there will have to be lots of new characters, because the character tableau is kind of empty right now. We have not seen all those others fullblooded Arameri, out of the Darre we know only Yeine's grandmother, and all the gods that were loyal to Itempas stayed out of the way in Book 1.
I have to say I find the potential plot with Itempas most interesting. The idea that he and Nahadoth will have to continue coexist for the rest of eternity is terrible. I mean, even if he rehabilitates, it doesn't change that he killed Enefa and imprisoned Nahadoth and co. Anyway, I flicked through the final chapters again and that crazy stalker behavior of his gave me heebie jeebies. I do wonder if they have some kind of spell that could serve as a restraining order, just in case?
This book sort of brought back my old love for the Greek mythology. I have always loved the way the ancient Greeks imagined their gods as powerful beings that are as flawed as humans. All of them are huge dickheads (including the dickless ones, hehe) that have bright moments occasionally. It's such a completely different approach from the Abrahamic religions that put their God on the pedestal of righteousness and moral authority. Man, I just remembered how pissed off I was that Troy (2004) didn't have any of the Olympians appearing. I wanted Appolo to kick that bratboy Achilles' ass so much.
The problem with god characters is that they cannot be protagonists, unless they are brought really low to the human level and unaware of their status.
Anyway, do you think that we are supposed to consider Yeine/Nahadoth a true romance? I view them more as friends with benefits. Yeine is clearly more attracted to Nahadoth than to Tv'rill, but I don't think that otherwise her feelings for them differ all that fundamentally? Nahadoth is immenselly thankful to Yeine, but imho he sees her as a stand-in for Enefa for most part. I mean, the very first time he saw her in the lucid state, he kissed her. He had no idea of who she was as a person back then. Tbh, I think Sieh probably loves Yeine more, though not romantically.
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Post by dje on Sept 24, 2017 14:45:19 GMT -5
I think we will have a new narrator as well, but I do hope to find out what the old characters at still up too. I stll want interactions with Nahadoth, Yiene and Sieh. Also, what are they doing with their new found freedom. Have they left the world to its own devices as they suggested? I think I would like it if Itmepas were the narrator. When are we supposed to start the next book?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 15:06:11 GMT -5
Did any of you read further, guys? I must say I am quite curious about Book 2. Given the way Book 1 ended, I find it unlikely that Yeine will remain the narrator. I'm nearly sure that we will a lot more of Itempas. I wonder if his punishment will be effective and what it will take to improve him. What other plot threads are there left? I gues we could see Tvrill trying to keep the Arameri empire together. I do wonder if Yeine would help him out (I'm sure Nahadoth would not, lol). Thinking about it, there will have to be lots of new characters, because the character tableau is kind of empty right now. We have not seen all those others fullblooded Arameri, out of the Darre we know only Yeine's grandmother, and all the gods that were loyal to Itempas stayed out of the way in Book 1. I have to say I find the potential plot with Itempas most interesting. The idea that he and Nahadoth will have to continue coexist for the rest of eternity is terrible. I mean, even if he rehabilitates, it doesn't change that he killed Enefa and imprisoned Nahadoth and co. Anyway, I flicked through the final chapters again and that crazy stalker behavior of his gave me heebie jeebies. I do wonder if they have some kind of spell that could serve as a restraining order, just in case? This book sort of brought back my old love for the Greek mythology. I have always loved the way the ancient Greeks imagined their gods as powerful beings that are as flawed as humans. All of them are huge dickheads (including the dickless ones, hehe) that have bright moments occasionally. It's such a completely different approach from the Abrahamic religions that put their God on the pedestal of righteousness and moral authority. Man, I just remembered how pissed off I was that Troy (2004) didn't have any of the Olympians appearing. I wanted Appolo to kick that bratboy Achilles' ass so much. The problem with god characters is that they cannot be protagonists, unless they are brought really low to the human level and unaware of their status. Anyway, do you think that we are supposed to consider Yeine/Nahadoth a true romance? I view them more as friends with benefits. Yeine is clearly more attracted to Nahadoth than to Tv'rill, but I don't think that otherwise her feelings for them differ all that fundamentally? Nahadoth is immenselly thankful to Yeine, but imho he sees her as a stand-in for Enefa for most part. I mean, the very first time he saw her in the lucid state, he kissed her. He had no idea of who she was as a person back then. Tbh, I think Sieh probably loves Yeine more, though not romantically. I am in love with Greek Mythology. Troy (2004) is a disgrace. I do think Yeine is truly attracted to Nahadot, she seems mesmerized by him, which is understandable since he is a god. I'm not sure about his feelings, Enefa seemed to be quite different from Yeine. Maybe in time. Or maybe the Three are attracted to each other no matter what, maybe their beings react to each other. I guess they could not do to Itempa what he did to Enefa because they lack demon blood, so he has to survive. I did read ahead, so I cannot speculate about Book 2 as it wouldn't be speculation at all. Your prediction are most likely, that I will say.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 25, 2017 9:32:14 GMT -5
I haven't read anyone else's posts yet - just wanted to write down a few thoughts before I did so. Overall I enjoyed it - it had some interesting ideas, the writing was pretty good, although not particularly amazing. I really liked Sieh as a character- I felt continually confused by him, but in a good way - such an interesting idea having him as both a child and an adult. I wasn't mad about Nahadoth - I found his darkness a bit melodramatic and didn't really like Yeine's relationship with him - verging on a bit Twilight for my tastes. Yeine was a pretty good main character although maybe a bit too level headed in her personality to be really interesting. I did not pick up on the Enefa thing until it was literally spelled out, lol. Not sure how I feel about her becoming the goddess at the end, although it probably makes me feel better about her relationship with Nahadoth - I don't really like mortal/god relationships, they feel too unbalanced. I feel like the conflict with Sciminar and Relad was a bit manufactured- given how weak Relad seemed I don't know how he could have not been taken out by Sciminar long ago. I liked Sieh a lot. He's both likeable and also slightly creepy. I think the author did a good job of balancing these personality traits, we never stop liking him, but from time to time we are startled into remembering he's a god.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 25, 2017 9:58:45 GMT -5
Story 1. I felt the overall theme was structured around revenge, and how everyone in some way was seeking it. 2. The writing style didn't really bother me. Some of the visions or dreams that Yeine had confused me at first, I kept wondering if maybe some of them weren't memories, but things that have yet to happen. Probably a question for a later book. 3. I really liked the final chapter/scene, when Nahadoth gets his revenge on Itempas. Mainly because I felt like he had it coming, and Naha was the most tormented of all the prisoners. Characters 5. Nahadoth was my absolute favorite, I thought he was fleshed out really well and you found yourself pulling for his freedom in the end, even if it meant Yeine's death. I also loved Sieh, he was such a great character. I thought Scimina was a good villain, but like Joffery, there wasn't anything redeeming about her. At least Dekarta was relatable. 6. Which character resonated the least with you? Why? Zhakkarn and Kurue were for me, mainly because we didn't learn a lot about them except that they were goddesses, one a warrior, the other wise. 7. Did you think the characters were well developed? I felt the characters more or less were well developed, some of the world building could have been a little better. 8. How does the way the characters see themselves, differ from how others see them? How do you see the various characters? It's hard to say, because we never get anyone else's perspective except for Enefa's. Ending 9. Did you think the ending was appropriate? How would you have liked to have seen the ending go? I actually liked the ending, I thought Yeine would end up surviving when she held the stone, and use it to ascend to becoming the new leader, completely took me by surprise when Viraine was revealed to be Itempas. Overall 11. I can't think of any other book I've ever read like this, so I enjoyed it's uniqueness. 12. That I'm ready to read the next one lol. 13. No 14. I liked it, was a bit confusing at times with the inter monologues between Yiene and Enefa's I think we all sort of had the same feelings regarding the story. I'm glad you liked Naha too, perhaps because he was one of the most developed characters, we found him more intriguing.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 25, 2017 10:08:29 GMT -5
Did any of you read further, guys? I must say I am quite curious about Book 2. Given the way Book 1 ended, I find it unlikely that Yeine will remain the narrator. I'm nearly sure that we will a lot more of Itempas. I wonder if his punishment will be effective and what it will take to improve him. What other plot threads are there left? I gues we could see Tvrill trying to keep the Arameri empire together. I do wonder if Yeine would help him out (I'm sure Nahadoth would not, lol). Thinking about it, there will have to be lots of new characters, because the character tableau is kind of empty right now. We have not seen all those others fullblooded Arameri, out of the Darre we know only Yeine's grandmother, and all the gods that were loyal to Itempas stayed out of the way in Book 1. I have to say I find the potential plot with Itempas most interesting. The idea that he and Nahadoth will have to continue coexist for the rest of eternity is terrible. I mean, even if he rehabilitates, it doesn't change that he killed Enefa and imprisoned Nahadoth and co. Anyway, I flicked through the final chapters again and that crazy stalker behavior of his gave me heebie jeebies. I do wonder if they have some kind of spell that could serve as a restraining order, just in case?This book sort of brought back my old love for the Greek mythology. I have always loved the way the ancient Greeks imagined their gods as powerful beings that are as flawed as humans. All of them are huge dickheads (including the dickless ones, hehe) that have bright moments occasionally. It's such a completely different approach from the Abrahamic religions that put their God on the pedestal of righteousness and moral authority. Man, I just remembered how pissed off I was that Troy (2004) didn't have any of the Olympians appearing. I wanted Appolo to kick that bratboy Achilles' ass so much. The problem with god characters is that they cannot be protagonists, unless they are brought really low to the human level and unaware of their status. Anyway, do you think that we are supposed to consider Yeine/Nahadoth a true romance? I view them more as friends with benefits. Yeine is clearly more attracted to Nahadoth than to Tv'rill, but I don't think that otherwise her feelings for them differ all that fundamentally? Nahadoth is immenselly thankful to Yeine, but imho he sees her as a stand-in for Enefa for most part. I mean, the very first time he saw her in the lucid state, he kissed her. He had no idea of who she was as a person back then. Tbh, I think Sieh probably loves Yeine more, though not romantically. I decided not to read the next book until I discussed this one for a few days so as not to be spoiled. I love that restraining order comment, so true. As for the gods it is an interesting juxtaposition between the old Greek Gods and The Abrahamic God, as you note. The Greek Gods were are reflection of ourselves while the Abrahamic god is the ideal. I do think that at least for the Greeks, they understood the fickleness of nature better or at least rationalized it better, I think. When bad things happen to good people, there is no real explanation for why god does it. Anywho, I think you are mostly right about Yeine and Naha's relationship. There is a lot of projecting there but in a way that's how her relationship with Sieh started as well. Although with him, I do think he genuinely came to care for her. So, I agree that there is a stronger bond between Yeine and Sieh.
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Post by lojzelote on Sept 26, 2017 19:04:57 GMT -5
I flicked through Book 1 and found this quote:
So true.
I've noticed the conversation between Sieh and Viraine/Itempas as well:
Enefa. The priests never said her name. “The Betrayer,” I murmured without thought. “She betrayed no one,” Sieh snapped. Viraine’s glance at Sieh was heavy-lidded and unreadable. “True. A whore’s business can hardly be termed a betrayal, can it?”
I wonder if it was Viraine or Itempas speaking here. The insult seems awfully personal, so I think Itempas.
Yesterday I've started reading Book 2. I'm already 10 chapters in. Whoops!
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Post by moiaf on Sept 28, 2017 20:46:51 GMT -5
I flicked through Book 1 and found this quote: So true. I've noticed the conversation between Sieh and Viraine/Itempas as well: Enefa. The priests never said her name. “The Betrayer,” I murmured without thought. “She betrayed no one,” Sieh snapped. Viraine’s glance at Sieh was heavy-lidded and unreadable. “True. A whore’s business can hardly be termed a betrayal, can it?” I wonder if it was Viraine or Itempas speaking here. The insult seems awfully personal, so I think Itempas. Yesterday I've started reading Book 2. I'm already 10 chapters in. Whoops! That's an excellent quote and apt for our real life. As for the conversation, yeah, it sounds like Itempas. I'm starting the second book tomorrow and I'll put up the thread for the second book up tomorrow as well.
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