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Post by sercreighton on Jul 10, 2018 16:59:16 GMT -5
moiaf Yeah I am with you. I think it just comes down to them having and developing likable characters. It already has a base so that buys it a year. But it's also going to be compared to Thrones. People have watched these characters for close to a decade, we watched some of them grow up, people are very attatched to them. HBO is the best in the buisness but I would say the deck is stacked against them. Kind of like BSG and Caprica. I knew people that really liked Caprica, but it wasn't BSG and that killed it. Your asking for fans to transition from something they no snd love to an unkown bunch of characters they have no attachment too. RC might be a decent soda but there is only one classic Coke. Often times this creates a backlash. Your mind is expecting a feeling it gets from one show/Drink and one cast. And when it doesn't get it, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth so to speak. The premise bugs me, we go from one long night staring some of our favorite characters and actors, to another long night staring who gives a shit, I want Kit, Emilia, Lena, etc... I want my Jon and Dany, not Lann and Brany. I'll give it a shot but I think they are pushing their luck.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 23, 2018 7:17:01 GMT -5
There is a new family tree for House Targaryen that will appear in the Fire and Blood compendium. Some differences from the family three that appeared in The World of Ice and Fire: I guess, Dany really will be the Child of Three now, won’t she? Now she’ll be the third Daenerys. Third time’s a charm.
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Post by sercreighton on Oct 25, 2018 10:46:07 GMT -5
Child of three indeed. Martin posted a post Emmy excerpt from Fire and Blood it's about Alysanne and her trip north. georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2018/09/27/a-fire-blood-excerpt-just-for-you/The Northerners loved her, the Men of the Watch loved her, and the only real but of interest is Silverwing. While at the Wall Silverwing refused to fly north of the wall. Perhaps she sensed danger, or the children prevented her. Alysanne never new why. Ithink this is sort of like the Sansa sample chapter Martin released shortly after Sansa married Ramsey. His way of saying certain things will not happen in the books such as the Band of brothers marching north. While the children could be a non factor, it's pretty clear in this excerpt that Dragons hate the cold, the wall, and it takes a long time for her just to get from Winterfell to the Wall, multiple stops. There is also the fact that Wights are not active when the sun is out and when you remove them from frozen conditions they tend to rot and die. Anyway with Dany heading North and people saying the North will hate Dany, it turned out the Queen was rather popular and people from all over the north traveled to White Harbor to see her, the Manderly's really liked her. King Stark thawed in her presence and her and his daughter became close. She also spent time at the Winterfell Library, which got burned. Not much substance really, a lot words, but it all seemed to lead to Dragons would not fly north of the wall which is where it concludes. Show version seems more like a plan now to make Cersei more relivant to the season and get them all together for Dragon put. Not that the acting wasn't fun, or seeing them together, but it seems it was more about style. I don't think Cersei is irrelivant either but in his books even main characters can drop out for a book or two while he focuses on others. Crows and Dance, also Bran in general.
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Post by sercreighton on Nov 20, 2018 19:51:16 GMT -5
Funny thing happened today, Fire and Blood arrived by mail to my home. I don't remember ordering it and now here it sits. Read a little, then fell asleep. It's not like the World Bookits more like Dance, it's thick about 700 pages. Not many illustrations just a handful of black and white ones. They are decent but it's not a book you buy for its pictures.
So far it's mostly stuff we know it's like adding a little depth to a wiki page. I am going to have problems getting through it, so far it's blah. Think I will skip to Summerhall. It's being referred to as a text book, that feels about right, it reads like one and so far nothing new. You could have as much fun counting hairs on your head, then catalogue each one and describe the slight differences in color.
Over 700 pages, he wrote over 700 pages, edited it but couldn't finish winds. What a tool, this is really the type of thing you write after you finish the series.
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Post by sercreighton on Nov 20, 2018 20:24:15 GMT -5
Fuuuuuuuuck! No Summerhall, okay I gotta hit him, I got hope on over to New Mexico and punch tons of fun in his smug little face. What a piece of shit, what a fucking piece of shiiiiit! I am so fucking pissed, nothing he wrote 700 pages of nothing and only got halfway there. What the fuck is wrong with him? A fucking text book and he kept all the good stuff for himself. I want my money back, but mostly I want to beat his ass. He need it, he needs an ass beating and this text book is his way of asking me to throw him a beating.
Okay, okay I'm done, buuuuuut, I seriously need to hit him... Now, I won't be able to sleep unless I hit him, or I read more Fire and Dud a fake history of nothing that actually happened. I mean if you got problems sleeping this is the book for you. 7 pages, I got 7 pages and I passed out. I am afraid to open it again, If I read anymore I may never wake up again.
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Post by nikma on Nov 20, 2018 21:53:44 GMT -5
I remember that he said several years ago that Fire and Blood will be published after Dream of Spring.
And here we are, with Fire and Blood even before The Winds of Winter. And it's only part 1. Lol
You can't make this stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 22:29:36 GMT -5
So F&B is disappointing even for a big Targ fan? Jesus. I’m glad I didn’t waste my money on it.
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Post by sercreighton on Nov 20, 2018 23:44:44 GMT -5
So F&B is disappointing even for a big Targ fan? Jesus. I’m glad I didn’t waste my money on it. Honestly I can probably find somethings I like if I read the whole thing. But that would take a long time, maybe a chapter or two a week. I am not even sure it's worth it, there is some stuff about Targ babies, the deformations and such. But it's like each chapter might have a paragraph that's interesting and the rest is fluff. The first two pages explain that Aegons Crowning did not happen when he first landed in Westeros but two years later in the sept of Old Town. 2 pages, for what is a paragraph on wiki and book readers generally know and is already published. He over explains everything, kind of like he over describes food in Westeros, and to make it worse it sounds like he is explaining it to you like you are 2. westeros, which is in the west, separated from Essos by the blah, blah, blah. The Targaryens are related to the Blah blah blah you already have written this 4 times over. Aegon rode Balarion, Balarion was a huge dragon. Dont waste your money unless you really like reading middle school text books. Which essentially this is, very disappointed with the direction he took. I read the Silmerilion in one sitting. Which is disjointed, and can be a tough read, but it was almost all new material, and the stories had drama and tension and wonder. This is dull as wood and mostly repeats what was stated. I mean think about it, 700 pages of back story for characters that will never have a plot, or be a POV, and it's only half finished. I am sure the die hards will proclaim it the greatest thing ever till a new GOT bobblehead comes out.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Nov 21, 2018 2:58:43 GMT -5
If F&B fails financially, I won't be entirely disappointed. That will only result in more pressure from his publishers for finishing TWOW. Money talks. So if a failed F&B release is what it takes for him to finish Winds, so be it.
Not putting pressure on him has not worked. In fact, it is only causing more delay.
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Post by moiaf on Nov 21, 2018 6:22:38 GMT -5
I got Fire and Blood yesterday. So far I’ve enjoyed it but I started with the Jaehaerys and Alysanne section. Big reveal, Dany’s dragon eggs were stolen from Jaehaerys and Alysanne and sold to the Sealord of Braavos.
So, Drogon is probably either the child or grandchild of Balerion. The resemblance is true.
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Post by moiaf on Nov 21, 2018 6:49:03 GMT -5
Also, they changed the order of the birth of J&A’s children. After the death of their first born, Aegon, they had Daenerys who Alysanne believed should be the heir to the throne being the oldest. - Alysanne
Some foreshadowing there, I think.
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Post by nikma on Nov 21, 2018 7:06:32 GMT -5
It's really really arrogant for him to compare this to Silmarillion.
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Post by sercreighton on Nov 21, 2018 12:57:10 GMT -5
I got Fire and Blood yesterday. So far I’ve enjoyed it but I started with the Jaehaerys and Alysanne section. Big reveal, Dany’s dragon eggs were stolen from Jaehaerys and Alysanne and sold to the Sealord of Braavos. So, Drogon is probably either the child or grandchild of Balerion. The resemblance is true. From what I have seen that's one of the two best chapters. But I am not sure how many have read the whole thing. It's cool that they are Targaryen dragons, I have not read that deep. But that's kind of what I mean you can find some cool stuff, but I am not sure reading 700 pages is worth it. All that stuff will be on wiki pages in a month. I think Targaryen history should of included some Valyria stuff, I mean that's where they are from and we know very little of Valyria. He covers it the same way he has for decades, they were one of the great 40 houses of Valyria and were a minor house. Another thing, 200 pages of this book is the Princess and the Queen. Jaehaerys and Alysanne are about 100 pages, Aegon I gets about 100 pages. Those are three of the most written about Targaryen histories to begin with. The princess and the Queen stuff just pisses me off, it's the single largest section of the book and it's was already given a history book. It really feels over written to me, and if it's going to be a history text, it should be concise. It's weird I am not sure what even drove him to write it. I love the Targs and all you know that but I am trying to read this cover to cover and going, what is the point? Its not a history of Westeros, or Essos, it's not a history of great houses, it's just the Targs. And a good portion of what is written is covered. The Jaehaerys and Alysanne stuff interests me as well, but I think it would of been better served as a Novella like the Princess and the Queen, same for Aegon I. I think that would of been the best way to address the more interesting points of any great house. I just did not expect anything this big or wordy, and I am Mr. Too Wordy. 700 pages but he couldn't finish winds. He started on Fire and Blood like a year after the World Book. He says he is a slow writer. The whole deal just pisses me off.
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Post by moiaf on Nov 24, 2018 11:08:50 GMT -5
I got Fire and Blood yesterday. So far I’ve enjoyed it but I started with the Jaehaerys and Alysanne section. Big reveal, Dany’s dragon eggs were stolen from Jaehaerys and Alysanne and sold to the Sealord of Braavos. So, Drogon is probably either the child or grandchild of Balerion. The resemblance is true. From what I have seen that's one of the two best chapters. But I am not sure how many have read the whole thing. It's cool that they are Targaryen dragons, I have not read that deep. But that's kind of what I mean you can find some cool stuff, but I am not sure reading 700 pages is worth it. All that stuff will be on wiki pages in a month. I think Targaryen history should of included some Valyria stuff, I mean that's where they are from and we know very little of Valyria. He covers it the same way he has for decades, they were one of the great 40 houses of Valyria and were a minor house. Another thing, 200 pages of this book is the Princess and the Queen. Jaehaerys and Alysanne are about 100 pages, Aegon I gets about 100 pages. Those are three of the most written about Targaryen histories to begin with. The princess and the Queen stuff just pisses me off, it's the single largest section of the book and it's was already given a history book. It really feels over written to me, and if it's going to be a history text, it should be concise. It's weird I am not sure what even drove him to write it. I love the Targs and all you know that but I am trying to read this cover to cover and going, what is the point? Its not a history of Westeros, or Essos, it's not a history of great houses, it's just the Targs. And a good portion of what is written is covered. The Jaehaerys and Alysanne stuff interests me as well, but I think it would of been better served as a Novella like the Princess and the Queen, same for Aegon I. I think that would of been the best way to address the more interesting points of any great house. I just did not expect anything this big or wordy, and I am Mr. Too Wordy. 700 pages but he couldn't finish winds. He started on Fire and Blood like a year after the World Book. He says he is a slow writer. The whole deal just pisses me off. He’s been talking about writing this book for years and he pretty much said it would contain exactly what it contain,although, the decided to do it in two parts with the other coming out after the end of the series. I don’t know, I’m not bothered by it. From all the promotional stuff it’s exactly what I expected it to be so there’s no real bond for me to pick in regards to it’s content. It’s clear GRRM loves wring about the Targaryens. At the end of the day they are pretty central to the series, having two of the main heroes, be from that family.
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