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Post by sercreighton on Aug 14, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -5
Umm did something go down? Was there some kind of leak? Some kind soul please explain to someone too lazy to read 4 pages? Just fans talking about the show we all enjoy.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 14, 2018 16:51:48 GMT -5
See that seems weird to me, is there another battle or something post Olaf? You would figure all the big stuff is in episode 5. I can't see a second smaller battle right after 5. Could we get a trial? Maybe it'll be where Cersei will finally surrender the city, it's the same place where their original negotiation took place so it would make sense that it takes place there again.
Cersei might try to do one last underhanded thing and that's when Jaime kills her.
I was thinking a trial by Combat, with the Mountain as her ringer. Clegane bowl, Cersei thinks she has the upper hand and the Sandor Sparks his sword. Though I feel that late in the game it's out of place. It's the only time I could see it happening. Though I feel odd about it happening that late in the game. Sort of anti climactic after a huge battle. Then it's like do they execute her? Is that when she pulls something bad? Like she has a super long wick she lights and then KL blows up. I wonder if Brans vision of Arya and Sansa, which involved Sandor, the Mountain and Jaime comes into play. Sandor and Jaime are both connected to the girls, but the Mountain? Not so much. I always thought this would resolve late but not sure how Arya and Sansa are connected to the Mountain. It also may be a vision that never happens. Or as I like to think of it, Martin changing his mind.
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 14, 2018 17:13:01 GMT -5
Umm did something go down? Was there some kind of leak? Some kind soul please explain to someone too lazy to read 4 pages? No leaks. Just some analysis of crew info on IMDb to give some clarity to what happened in Spain. Thanks
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Post by Envie on Aug 14, 2018 17:55:31 GMT -5
Out of all the prophecies mentioned in the books the one the Maggy gave to Cersei has plaid out almost exactly as Maggy predicted it would. The reason for that is that Cersei has been trying to beat the prophecy since the moment she heard it and everything she does to avoid makes so it happens exactly as predicted.
I see the valonqar being the same. She thinks it's Tyrion and it'll be Jaime. Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 14, 2018 18:08:44 GMT -5
So, do we think that Dany and Jon's baby will be born in 8x06? Maybe if there is an epilouge. We haven't seen much of any of the characters leak wise. But when we did see Kit nd Emilia in costume she looked normal, though she can always take the harness off. Time wise it's just hard to tell, and with D&D it's hard to tell. Anyway it may come out she is pregnant at some point in the first 3 episodes. Then they probably drag out the reveal to Jon, but I don't think they have the time to push her to 9 months. The last season may only take a place over a few months. NK is already past the wall. 6 episodes means the pace is going to be pretty quick, it might look strange for her to even be showing if things are moving quickly. I think she keeps it to herself then maybe Tyrion and Varys figure it out. I also think Mel will take a big interest in the unborn Child. If she finds out and is alive long enough to find out. They don't have a Measter so she may step up. There is a lot of ground to cover in a short season. Reunions, Jon/Arya/Sort of Bran; Sansa and her one true love and loyal Husband Tyrion, Sansa/Arya and Sandor, Arya and Gendry, Tormund and Brie, Tormund and the Hound. Then you got new meetings and interactions. I hope they don't skip on the personal stories in favor of big battles.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 14, 2018 18:21:19 GMT -5
Out of all the prophecies mentioned in the books the one the Maggy gave to Cersei has plaid out almost exactly as Maggy predicted it would. The reason for that is that Cersei has been trying to beat the prophecy since the moment she heard it and everything she does to avoid makes so it happens exactly as predicted.
I see the valonqar being the same. She thinks it's Tyrion and it'll be Jaime. Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show. Martin doesn't mind fans speculating on things like who will kill Cersei. He doesn't mind if it is obvious. Because he knows the mystery is about the how and the why. He makes people wait for what they know is coming. D&D may simply want it to come out of left field for some. Or and it is possible they FAegoned it. I wish they would of FAegoned the name Aegon, fucking stupid choice. What did Rhaegar leave a note "in case I am killed name this one Aegon too, even if it's a girl. Love Dumb ass"
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 14, 2018 19:33:18 GMT -5
Out of all the prophecies mentioned in the books the one the Maggy gave to Cersei has plaid out almost exactly as Maggy predicted it would. The reason for that is that Cersei has been trying to beat the prophecy since the moment she heard it and everything she does to avoid makes so it happens exactly as predicted.
I see the valonqar being the same. She thinks it's Tyrion and it'll be Jaime. Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show. Yeah, Cersei's show prophecy seems to have existed to let Cersei know that she would lose all 3 of her kids. Which finally came true in S6E10. The part about the "younger, more beautiful queen" who would take everything away from Cersei never came true. Margaery came close but she never took everything away from Cersei. As of season 7, Dany has only taken The Reach away from Cersei. I honestly wonder if that part of the prophecy will ever come true at all. If Jon and Dany take Cersei's throne in a joint effort, then the prophecy is nonsense. It is specifically talking about a queen stealing everything (not a king & queen) and so far it hasn't happened. Valonqar could be similarly misleading or maybe it's as simple as she thinks it's Tyrion but it's Jaime. Then again, this could be a case of the show diverging from the books in a bigger way. Dany's show prophecy (House of the Undying) seems more clear to me. She rejects the throne, joins the battle against the Dead (goes to the Wall) and ultimately chooses life over death (leaving Khal Drogo and son in the tent). This could be a season 8 spoiler: Dany alive and with a clear purpose in life, but no throne.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 15, 2018 1:31:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Cersei's show prophecy seems to have existed to let Cersei know that she would lose all 3 of her kids. Which finally came true in S6E10. The part about the "younger, more beautiful queen" who would take everything away from Cersei never came true. Margaery came close but she never took everything away from Cersei. As of season 7, Dany has only taken The Reach away from Cersei. I honestly wonder if that part of the prophecy will ever come true at all. I've always kinda thought that the YMBQ is not supposed to be one specific person but multiple women Cersei sees and treats as threats because of the prophecy. That's just how it is for women, there will always be someone younger and more beautiful
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Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show. Yeah, Cersei's show prophecy seems to have existed to let Cersei know that she would lose all 3 of her kids. Which finally came true in S6E10. The part about the "younger, more beautiful queen" who would take everything away from Cersei never came true. Margaery came close but she never took everything away from Cersei. As of season 7, Dany has only taken The Reach away from Cersei. I honestly wonder if that part of the prophecy will ever come true at all. If Jon and Dany take Cersei's throne in a joint effort, then the prophecy is nonsense. It is specifically talking about a queen stealing everything (not a king & queen) and so far it hasn't happened. Valonqar could be similarly misleading or maybe it's as simple as she thinks it's Tyrion but it's Jaime. Then again, this could be a case of the show diverging from the books in a bigger way. Dany's show prophecy (House of the Undying) seems more clear to me. She rejects the throne, joins the battle against the Dead (goes to the Wall) and ultimately chooses life over death (leaving Khal Drogo and son in the tent). This could be a season 8 spoiler: Dany alive and with a clear purpose in life, but no throne. To be fair, the prophecy isn't that explicit: "Queen you shall be, until there comes another, younger and more beautiful". The other person doesn't necessarily have to be a queen for this phrase to make sense. At least, I hope that turns out to be true. Dany has had sod all to do with Cersei before S7 so I'd really rather the one responsible for her downfall be someone who's actually relevant to her entire arc rather than just the final part.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 15, 2018 10:56:47 GMT -5
Maybe it'll be where Cersei will finally surrender the city, it's the same place where their original negotiation took place so it would make sense that it takes place there again.
Cersei might try to do one last underhanded thing and that's when Jaime kills her.
I was thinking a trial by Combat, with the Mountain as her ringer. Clegane bowl, Cersei thinks she has the upper hand and the Sandor Sparks his sword. Though I feel that late in the game it's out of place. It's the only time I could see it happening. Though I feel odd about it happening that late in the game. Sort of anti climactic after a huge battle. Then it's like do they execute her? Is that when she pulls something bad? Like she has a super long wick she lights and then KL blows up. I wonder if Brans vision of Arya and Sansa, which involved Sandor, the Mountain and Jaime comes into play. Sandor and Jaime are both connected to the girls, but the Mountain? Not so much. I always thought this would resolve late but not sure how Arya and Sansa are connected to the Mountain. It also may be a vision that never happens. Or as I like to think of it, Martin changing his mind.
It's probably too late in the game for the type of fight to take place in the last episode of the series, but who knows. I think it's probably just a callback to the meeting they had in season 7.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 15, 2018 11:03:49 GMT -5
Out of all the prophecies mentioned in the books the one the Maggy gave to Cersei has plaid out almost exactly as Maggy predicted it would. The reason for that is that Cersei has been trying to beat the prophecy since the moment she heard it and everything she does to avoid makes so it happens exactly as predicted.
I see the valonqar being the same. She thinks it's Tyrion and it'll be Jaime. Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show. I think they left that part out because it would have been way too obvious. It works in the books because even though we, the audience, know it's probably Jaime and because we are privy to Cersei's inner thought we know she believes it's Tyrion. So, it's more the expectation of when, if ever, she'll figure it out. So, do we think that Dany and Jon's baby will be born in 8x06? Maybe if there is an epilouge. We haven't seen much of any of the characters leak wise. But when we did see Kit nd Emilia in costume she looked normal, though she can always take the harness off. Time wise it's just hard to tell, and with D&D it's hard to tell. Anyway it may come out she is pregnant at some point in the first 3 episodes. Then they probably drag out the reveal to Jon, but I don't think they have the time to push her to 9 months. The last season may only take a place over a few months. NK is already past the wall. 6 episodes means the pace is going to be pretty quick, it might look strange for her to even be showing if things are moving quickly. I think she keeps it to herself then maybe Tyrion and Varys figure it out. I also think Mel will take a big interest in the unborn Child. If she finds out and is alive long enough to find out. They don't have a Measter so she may step up. There is a lot of ground to cover in a short season. Reunions, Jon/Arya/Sort of Bran; Sansa and her one true love and loyal Husband Tyrion, Sansa/Arya and Sandor, Arya and Gendry, Tormund and Brie, Tormund and the Hound. Then you got new meetings and interactions. I hope they don't skip on the personal stories in favor of big battles. The show has never had issues with time, season 1 is suppose to take place in the course of a year, so I don't think they'll have a problem adding a time-jump. In fact, I expect we will have a time jump probably right off the bat.
It takes a month to travel on horse from Winterfelll to Castle Black. I would imagine it's much longer from Eastwatch to Winterfell, even if you're an undead army. It took them 7 season to get to the Wall, so they aren't the quickest travelers.
ETA: I'm almost certain BoatsexBaby(ies) will be born during the season. They won't leave her pregnant.
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Post by belle on Aug 15, 2018 11:10:36 GMT -5
Except Maggy's prophecy on the show left out the Valonqar part of the prophecy entirely. Book readers know about it and expect it and speculate who will be the one, but I have always wondered why they left it off when they specifically went out of their way to cast actors and play out that flashback/prophecy. I sometimes think they left it off so as not to give too much away, but more often I wonder if they left it off to leave it open for Cersei to die by other means entirely. But I agree Cersei's fortune telling from Maggy has come true as predicted. I'm anxious to find out if the last bit about how she dies will matter or not on the show.
I think they left that part out because it would have been way too obvious. It works in the books because even though we, the audience, know it's probably Jaime and because we are privy to Cersei's inner thought we know she believes it's Tyrion. So, it's more the expectation of when, if ever, she'll figure it out. Maybe if there is an epilouge. We haven't seen much of any of the characters leak wise. But when we did see Kit nd Emilia in costume she looked normal, though she can always take the harness off. Time wise it's just hard to tell, and with D&D it's hard to tell. Anyway it may come out she is pregnant at some point in the first 3 episodes. Then they probably drag out the reveal to Jon, but I don't think they have the time to push her to 9 months. The last season may only take a place over a few months. NK is already past the wall. 6 episodes means the pace is going to be pretty quick, it might look strange for her to even be showing if things are moving quickly. I think she keeps it to herself then maybe Tyrion and Varys figure it out. I also think Mel will take a big interest in the unborn Child. If she finds out and is alive long enough to find out. They don't have a Measter so she may step up. There is a lot of ground to cover in a short season. Reunions, Jon/Arya/Sort of Bran; Sansa and her one true love and loyal Husband Tyrion, Sansa/Arya and Sandor, Arya and Gendry, Tormund and Brie, Tormund and the Hound. Then you got new meetings and interactions. I hope they don't skip on the personal stories in favor of big battles. The show has never had issues with time, season 1 is suppose to take place in the course of a year, so I don't think they'll have a problem adding a time-jump. In fact, I expect we will have a time jump probably right off the bat.
It takes a month to travel on horse from Winterfelll to Castle Black. I would imagine it's much longer from Eastwatch to Winterfell, even if you're an undead army. It took them 7 season to get to the Wall, so they aren't the quickest travelers. yeah and if they had kept it in they would have to keep all her tyrion paranoia from the books in and they couldn't have written things like the dragonpit meeting and that cersei/tyrion 7x07 scene.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 15, 2018 11:19:36 GMT -5
I think they left that part out because it would have been way too obvious. It works in the books because even though we, the audience, know it's probably Jaime and because we are privy to Cersei's inner thought we know she believes it's Tyrion. So, it's more the expectation of when, if ever, she'll figure it out. The show has never had issues with time, season 1 is suppose to take place in the course of a year, so I don't think they'll have a problem adding a time-jump. In fact, I expect we will have a time jump probably right off the bat.
It takes a month to travel on horse from Winterfelll to Castle Black. I would imagine it's much longer from Eastwatch to Winterfell, even if you're an undead army. It took them 7 season to get to the Wall, so they aren't the quickest travelers. yeah and if they had kept it in they would have to keep all her tyrion paranoia from the books in and they couldn't have written things like the dragonpit meeting and that cersei/tyrion 7x07 scene.
Indeed. They changed Cersei's character enough on the show that her crazy ass book behavior would have seemed out of place. In the show Cersei is more in control of her chaos.
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Post by belle on Aug 15, 2018 11:26:56 GMT -5
yeah and if they had kept it in they would have to keep all her tyrion paranoia from the books in and they couldn't have written things like the dragonpit meeting and that cersei/tyrion 7x07 scene.
Indeed. They changed Cersei's character enough on the show that her crazy ass book behavior would have seemed out of place. In the show Cersei is more in control of her chaos.
could you imagine if they kept the valonqar prophecy in and then casually had jaime/cersei say in season 5 that cersei was born first and jaime came out holding her ankle? it would have made it so obvious lol. tv is just a completely different type of medium than book. there's a reason why the show delayed the tower of joy scene from book 1 to season 6 too.
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