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Post by sercreighton on Apr 17, 2019 0:14:40 GMT -5
It's an interesting promo to say the least.
It hasn't been talked much about but Dany in the great hall scene is in Jon's chair, and I don't see him in the hall. With the northern alliance on her right and her own people on her left. Brie is given a spot at the Northern table which is good for Jaime and we know he gives his speech here. I think Jon had a lot to deal with but it seems very clear that Dany is in charge. I think this was actually a move on Jon's part to force Sansa and the north to have to work together with Dany and start a dialogue.
Dany is angry but I think it's mostly about the betrayal which we see address shortly as she is in private quarters speaking with her, Sansa is right Dany should of never trusted her. Tyrion dropped the ball again, but so did Varys. Someone should of said something as Dany has never met Cersei. I think we will see Dany agree with Sansa here which may surprise Sansa. I think we will also see Sansa acting more and more like Dany's hand as she comes to advice her on political matters in Westeros.
I feel bad that they are jobbing out Tyrion he is basically wrong about everything these days.
I'll be shocked if Brie does not stand for Jaime, or ask Sansa for help in some way. Bran may also actually help Jaime. He is just to the right of Sansa. I think he sees a use for him. Jaime may start the episode off on trial or in a cell or locked up talking to Tyrion. Perhaps a callback to Tyrions trial. Dany also never follows her brothers lead so I think that will be in the back of her mind. She never gave Jaime so much as a dirty look at the Dragonpit and even spoke to him.
We know he ends up in the battle so the trial for me is more about the power dynamic and where alliances are starting to shift. It also is a great way to show the duality of man. Jaime has done and is capable of both great good and great bad. I do hope Nrie stands up and says hey the dude saved half a million people now back off.
I couldn't tell but was Jorah drawing Heartsbane? Cause giggity giggity. That also shows that Sam still has his priorities and insight.
Was thinking Jon may also chime in on Jaime, Everyman who can wield a sword.
Looks like they got the ballista in there to give viewers some idea of what they do. Probably ranging and marking it. Chances are they will be loading it up with smaller Dragonglass shards to create what's called a shot affect. At least they should do that or load up barrels with the rocks. It gives it a much wider kill radius.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 17, 2019 0:41:57 GMT -5
Since Theon is involved in the WF battle, he would have to arrive in this episode as well. Jon already confronted him back in 704, but Theon hasn't seen Bran since S2. Luwin mentioned to Theon that were hidden passageways so the Lords of Winterfell could escape. Bran got back to WF and hid in the crypts in 208, if there's one thing that comes up in a conversation between Theon and Bran, I think it's this because it will be important for the retreat once WF burns. But I assume that Jon, Sansa, and Arya would know since they grew up in WF or there are maps in the WF library. Tyrion and Varys might be useful here since they planned a secret attack on Stannis's army through the mud gate by studying the maps before Blackwater. I'm not sure if Theon killing Rodrik will be mentioned and Theon will apologize to Bran, but I guess there's a possibility.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 17, 2019 0:46:18 GMT -5
Dany is angry but I think it's mostly about the betrayal which we see address shortly as she is in private quarters speaking with her, Sansa is right Dany should of never trusted her. Tyrion dropped the ball again, but so did Varys. Someone should of said something as Dany has never met Cersei. I think we will see Dany agree with Sansa here which may surprise Sansa. I think we will also see Sansa acting more and more like Dany's hand as she comes to advice her on political matters in Westeros. I expect this too. The show often sets up characters who are initially hostile with one another as friends. Davos was harsh with Jon when he first met him in ep. 410 as was Tormund in 301. On top of that Emilia said that one of her favourite bits of working on s8 was working with Sophie and Maisie. And I think she wouldn't say that if the dynamic between them didn't improve at all.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 17, 2019 2:14:44 GMT -5
Dany is angry but I think it's mostly about the betrayal which we see address shortly as she is in private quarters speaking with her, Sansa is right Dany should of never trusted her. Tyrion dropped the ball again, but so did Varys. Someone should of said something as Dany has never met Cersei. I think we will see Dany agree with Sansa here which may surprise Sansa. I think we will also see Sansa acting more and more like Dany's hand as she comes to advice her on political matters in Westeros. I expect this too. The show often sets up characters who are initially hostile with one another as friends. Davos was harsh with Jon when he first met him in ep. 410 as was Tormund in 301. On top of that Emilia said that one of her favourite bits of working on s8 was working with Sophie and Maisie. And I think she wouldn't say that if the dynamic between them didn't improve at all. It's my firm belief and has been for years that if you put the three of them in a room together that they would end up getting along. Dany's political pragmatic side would appeal to Sansa while her adventures Dothraki side would appeal to Arya. All three know what it means to wear a mask of sorts and why they sometimes have to in this world. I fully expect this situation to resolve they have to many similar interests, they have some similar background. Dany knows what is to live on the streets like Arya did, and she knows how to play the political game and understands the responsablity of leadership as Sansa does. They have all dealt with abuses and transgressions. I think the director got a little too heavy handed and ignored some events from last season. Like I felt after last season when Lyanna was giving her speech that she should of jumped in with a that's enough. You can't have them talking about keeping the pack together and family bonds while leaving Jon on an island like that. It's also something that Arya and Sansa discussed. Even if they are right to be mad Jon is still their Lord and the northern lords need to respect that and their house. If Sansa wants to continue that talk in private that's her prerogative she is the Lady of Winterfell and a Stark. She can speak plainly to Jon. The Lords can't disrespect him like that and Sansa from last season knows this. She can be mad at Jon and still uphold their house and his position. I think the ice should start to crack between Dany and them as well. I think will see Dany agree with Sansa which will probably surprise her. Arya also needs to get a dragon ride, that's just a fan wish but she's earned it and that's a dream of hers.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 17, 2019 2:18:16 GMT -5
Since Theon is involved in the WF battle, he would have to arrive in this episode as well. Jon already confronted him back in 704, but Theon hasn't seen Bran since S2. Luwin mentioned to Theon that were hidden passageways so the Lords of Winterfell could escape. Bran got back to WF and hid in the crypts in 208, if there's one thing that comes up in a conversation between Theon and Bran, I think it's this because it will be important for the retreat once WF burns. But I assume that Jon, Sansa, and Arya would know since they grew up in WF or there are maps in the WF library. Tyrion and Varys might be useful here since they planned a secret attack on Stannis's army through the mud gate by studying the maps before Blackwater. I'm not sure if Theon killing Rodrik will be mentioned and Theon will apologize to Bran, but I guess there's a possibility. I think Theon may also play a part in Jon excepting his heratige which ties to what Jon told him about not having to choose that he could be a Stark and Greyjoy. It would be a nice little callback, hopefully he's around long enough for it.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 17, 2019 2:21:15 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling Sam isn't going to make it, maybe not past episode 3. I hope he does, I also hope he has his own child with Gilly. Then she can ditch that sack of potatoes she carries around that never moves or makes a noise. Hasn't aged in years either.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 17, 2019 2:33:04 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling Sam isn't going to make it, maybe not past episode 3. I hope he does, I also hope he has his own child with Gilly. Then she can ditch that sack of potatoes she carries around that never moves or makes a noise. Hasn't aged in years either. I'm pretty sure Sam makes it, especially with the mention at The Citadel where he's talking to the Archmaester about writing the history of King Robert and the archmaester asks him if he likes the title and Sams says it should be something "more poetic." I could see Sam writing more or less the series we've seen on screen and maybe changing the old ways of The Citadel into more of a university in the epilogue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 5:03:16 GMT -5
Sam isn't dying lol.
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Post by nikma on Apr 17, 2019 5:59:40 GMT -5
I hope Dany meets Ghost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 6:01:42 GMT -5
Yeah, that seems like most logical way to work him into a meaningful scene.
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Post by Envie on Apr 17, 2019 9:32:48 GMT -5
Jon will need Ghost especially in this episode to remind him he’s as much as a Stark as a Targaryen.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 17, 2019 10:05:00 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling Sam isn't going to make it, maybe not past episode 3. I hope he does, I also hope he has his own child with Gilly. Then she can ditch that sack of potatoes she carries around that never moves or makes a noise. Hasn't aged in years either. I'm pretty sure Sam makes it, especially with the mention at The Citadel where he's talking to the Archmaester about writing the history of King Robert and the archmaester asks him if he likes the title and Sams says it should be something "more poetic." I could see Sam writing more or less the series we've seen on screen and maybe changing the old ways of The Citadel into more of a university in the epilogue. If he makes it I think Jorah sacrifices himself for Sam. The short of Jorah with Heartsbane maybe how Sam addresses Jon recieving Longclaw and Sam knows at this time Jorah can do a lot more with Heartsbane than he can. Along with saving his life this because of his father this connects Jorah to Sam deeply. I also think Jorah will speak to Sam about Sam's father and brother. So Jorah may be an early death and he may die protecting Gilly and Sam. This may help some with a resolution to Sam and Dany. But I am not 100% sure. Was Bradley in Spain at all? Sam was also never listed as a survivor in the treatment. We will know soon enough.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 17, 2019 11:21:24 GMT -5
So, presumably the AOTD is on the march somewhere between The Last Hearth and Winterfell. There's just the one road that exists (although I suppose the AOTD could potentially just not be on the road because of its sheer size).
I understand that Edd brought horses down from Castle Black which means they could beat a very slow moving army on the march to Winterfell but how exactly are they getting past them undetected?
I'm pretty sure that's a logistical question I'm not really supposed to ponder that much.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 17, 2019 11:46:05 GMT -5
So, presumably the AOTD is on the march somewhere between The Last Hearth and Winterfell. There's just the one road that exists (although I suppose the AOTD could potentially just not be on the road because of its sheer size). I understand that Edd brought horses down from Castle Black which means they could beat a very slow moving army on the march to Winterfell but how exactly are they getting past them undetected? I'm pretty sure that's a logistical question I'm not really supposed to ponder that much. I guess maybe it's like Aragorn seeing the Uruk-Hai in the Two Towers, but he makes it to Helm's Deep right before dusk. Tormund told Jon "before the sun comes up" so I'll just assume they're using a similar strategy here. The Night King probably wants Tormund, Beric, and Edd to reach Winterfell as he showed them a message at The Last Hearth.
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Post by Envie on Apr 17, 2019 11:47:11 GMT -5
So, presumably the AOTD is on the march somewhere between The Last Hearth and Winterfell. There's just the one road that exists (although I suppose the AOTD could potentially just not be on the road because of its sheer size). I understand that Edd brought horses down from Castle Black which means they could beat a very slow moving army on the march to Winterfell but how exactly are they getting past them undetected? I'm pretty sure that's a logistical question I'm not really supposed to ponder that much. I was wondering this same exact thing when Edd said the undead army was between them (at Last Hearth) and Winterfell ... how are they supposed to go out and around that and get to Winterfell first? It's going to be another one of those GoT travel things that doesn't matter I guess - they'll just show up at the Winterfell gate next episode.
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