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Post by nikma on May 1, 2019 13:28:34 GMT -5
I think IMDB will delete some of it later.
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Post by konradsmith on May 1, 2019 13:44:27 GMT -5
I think IMDB will delete some of it later. Have they with past episodes? I know Rotten Tomatoes took some steps against brigading for the audience response polling but I wasn't aware IMDB had as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 13:47:18 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure imdb has steps in place to ensure an accurate ranking so I wouldn't be shocked if they nuked a lot of 1s.
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Post by TheArchmaester on May 1, 2019 13:49:56 GMT -5
Now that the 3ER vs. NK story is over, is this an acceptable interpretation of events?
1) As Bran said in 802, white walkers were never actually dormant. NK had always been looking for the different 3ERs. We have to assume the magic of the cave was impenetrable. 2) White walkers become more active in the years prior to season 1 because they know the new 3ER (Bran) is coming. Not because of the birth of the dragons or anything like that. 3) The wights that kill Jojen were left there by the NK to prevent Max von Sydow from getting a replacement. 4) Bran being marked by the NK is what sets the endgame in motion. It destroys the magic of the cave and finally leaves the 3ER vulnerable. Unknown if it also destroys the magic of the Wall, but I'm guessing it does. 5) Hold the Door was a kind of "necessary sacrifice" so that both the 3ER and NK would move south and the NK could finally be defeated. An endgame probably envisioned by Max von Sydow.
As to why previous Three-Eyed Ravens hadn't bothered to seek out the NK before, maybe the Land of Always Winter was impenetrable to them the same way the cave was impenetrable to the NK?
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Post by nikma on May 1, 2019 13:57:57 GMT -5
I think IMDB will delete some of it later. Have they with past episodes? I know Rotten Tomatoes took some steps against brigading for the audience response polling but I wasn't aware IMDB had as well. They did for 506.
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Post by motherofmountains on May 1, 2019 14:25:30 GMT -5
Now that the 3ER vs. NK story is over, is this an acceptable interpretation of events? 1) As Bran said in 802, white walkers were never actually dormant. NK had always been looking for the different 3ERs. We have to assume the magic of the cave was impenetrable. 2) White walkers become more active in the years prior to season 1 because they know the new 3ER (Bran) is coming. Not because of the birth of the dragons or anything like that. 3) The wights that kill Jojen were left there by the NK to prevent Max von Sydow from getting a replacement. 4) Bran being marked by the NK is what sets the endgame in motion. It destroys the magic of the cave and finally leaves the 3ER vulnerable. Unknown if it also destroys the magic of the Wall, but I'm guessing it does. 5) Hold the Door was a kind of "necessary sacrifice" so that both the 3ER and NK would move south and the NK could finally be defeated. An endgame probably envisioned by Max von Sydow. As to why previous Three-Eyed Ravens hadn't bothered to seek out the NK before, maybe the Land of Always Winter was impenetrable to them the same way the cave was impenetrable to the NK? If the 3ER vs NK storyline is over, or at least fully revealed, then Brans scenes with Bloodraven make little sense, what did he have to be 'ready' for? They apparently hardly interacted. Bran spent more than half the episode warging something, what?
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Post by Envie on May 1, 2019 14:39:36 GMT -5
4) Bran being marked by the NK is what sets the endgame in motion. It destroys the magic of the cave and finally leaves the 3ER vulnerable. Unknown if it also destroys the magic of the Wall, but I'm guessing it does. I always thought Bran going south of the wall with the 'mark' on him would break the magic protection there the same as it did the cave. But, maybe you just needed an undead dragon to do that? Maybe The Night King needed both of those things. How convenient the gormless humans provided both.
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Post by TheArchmaester on May 1, 2019 15:08:39 GMT -5
Now that the 3ER vs. NK story is over, is this an acceptable interpretation of events? 1) As Bran said in 802, white walkers were never actually dormant. NK had always been looking for the different 3ERs. We have to assume the magic of the cave was impenetrable. 2) White walkers become more active in the years prior to season 1 because they know the new 3ER (Bran) is coming. Not because of the birth of the dragons or anything like that. 3) The wights that kill Jojen were left there by the NK to prevent Max von Sydow from getting a replacement. 4) Bran being marked by the NK is what sets the endgame in motion. It destroys the magic of the cave and finally leaves the 3ER vulnerable. Unknown if it also destroys the magic of the Wall, but I'm guessing it does. 5) Hold the Door was a kind of "necessary sacrifice" so that both the 3ER and NK would move south and the NK could finally be defeated. An endgame probably envisioned by Max von Sydow. As to why previous Three-Eyed Ravens hadn't bothered to seek out the NK before, maybe the Land of Always Winter was impenetrable to them the same way the cave was impenetrable to the NK? If the 3ER vs NK storyline is over, or at least fully revealed, then Brans scenes with Bloodraven make little sense, what did he have to be 'ready' for? They apparently hardly interacted. Bran spent more than half the episode warging something, what? Well, I don't have an answer to that. I have no idea what Bran was doing this episode other than waiting for the inevitable encounter, I guess.
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Post by TheArchmaester on May 1, 2019 15:14:02 GMT -5
Also, remember back in 2016 when we joked about a possible "Godbowl" coming up? Just realized we kind of got one in the end. Symbolically speaking.
It took an alliance between the Red God (Melisandre), the Many-Faced God (Arya) and the Old Gods (Bran) to vanquish the NK. All three religions had different reasons for doing so, I guess. The Red God, being a champion of life; the Many-Faced God, a sacred altar to death; and the Old Gods probably needed to atone for the original sin of creating the NK in the first place.
The Seven were completely absent again, maybe they said "fuck it" after Cersei blew them up a while ago.
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Post by konradsmith on May 1, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
If the 3ER vs NK storyline is over, or at least fully revealed, then Brans scenes with Bloodraven make little sense, what did he have to be 'ready' for? They apparently hardly interacted. Bran spent more than half the episode warging something, what? Well, I don't have an answer to that. I have no idea what Bran was doing this episode other than waiting for the inevitable encounter, I guess. I think he was still surveying the battle with those birds. We stopped seeing from his perspective once the NK showed up on Viserion but I imagine that doesn't mean he stopped wanting to observe what was going on.
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Post by Envie on May 1, 2019 17:33:54 GMT -5
Well, ya gotta admit, Jon standing up to scream in Viserion's face as he's thrashing about with blue flame coming out of multiple holes was pretty stupid too... a WTF moment. People are trying hard to find some way to make that whole bit make sense!
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Post by konradsmith on May 1, 2019 17:36:44 GMT -5
I think he was just hyping himself up to either get blue-flamed or be lucky enough to get Viserion with Longclaw. If they wanted the Arya thing to register, they'd have a shown enough to know someone ran by but not enough to know it was her.
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Post by Envie on May 1, 2019 17:42:41 GMT -5
I think he was just hyping himself up to either get blue-flamed or be lucky enough to get Viserion with Longclaw. If they wanted the Arya thing to register, they'd have a shown enough to know someone ran by but not enough to know it was her. I agree, that theory really only works if there's some sort of clue we missed that was definitely shown and there's no way to really make that work after the fact unless Arya admits she ran past when Jon stood up and screamed. But it's not really a great reveal later.
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