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Post by day dreamer on Apr 28, 2019 23:18:16 GMT -5
I'm torn between an 8 or a 9 There are plenty of things I really love about this episode but I hated the lighting and I'm a bit disappointed in a few of the story aspects. (I wanted my Bran warging into a dragon fan fiction)
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Post by freypies on Apr 28, 2019 23:40:47 GMT -5
Going to have to go with an 8 for this one for now.
This seems like an episode that may retroactively improve for me as I consider it in the scope of the broader narrative and have more time to reflect on it. I think it will definitely require a rewatch later on. As of right now though, I must say there are two scenes I absolutely loved: 1) The scene of Tyrion and Sansa tenderly holding hands as the undead emerged in the crypts. 2) The final montage, including the music. Ramin Djawadi did a stunning job here, and Theon's final charge was just phenomenal. The final shot of Melisandre going out and turning into her real self is also one of the greatest final shots in Thrones history.
My gripes came mainly from the fact that the rest of the battle was great overall, and I loved the starting imagery of the fires of the Dothraki swords dwindling out in the distance, but I thought this one didn't have as many standout moments as some of the previous great ones that Thrones has done. Hardhome was much shorter, but it had a new element introduced in it that kept it fresh. Same with The Spoils of War, the second best battle scene the show has ever done in my opinion. This one did not have as many unique elements to it throughout, the darkness was a little too much, and while the silence from the characters added to the affair tonally, it made it less engaging for me. This certainly went for more of a survival horror feel, and I liked it, but it didn't grab me as much as the other ones. Arya appearing out of nowhere and stabbing him seemed a little poorly executed as well.
Overall, though, still a phenomenal achievement, just not catered to me I'd say.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 28, 2019 23:46:23 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this.
Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution.
There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 28, 2019 23:55:15 GMT -5
On a rewatch I'm going for a thirty.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 29, 2019 0:08:18 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. As much as I loved a lot of that episode, I'm still very shocked they decided to remove the WW threat so early on and there wasn't more to it considering that it was the first scene of the show before it delved into the political intrigue. I'm not going to say it seemed too easy, but considering how the NK died with all the abilities that he had, the dragons could burn the Red Keep in 804 with Cersei inside and that's it. There are four hours of story left as you said, which makes me wonder if there is some final twist coming from the fantastical elements or could also be that after years of theorizing and speculating, we expected too much vs. the general audience.
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 29, 2019 0:17:16 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. Same exact thoughts and pretty much the ones that the others complained. There are some gems in this episode, but they don't overshadow the major problems with this episode that pretty much make some plot points in the series worse in hindsight, especially the ones in season 7. I'm sorry people, but I truly dislike this episode. Have to be honest, i'm rating this a 4.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 0:24:18 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. As much as I loved a lot of that episode, I'm still very shocked they decided to remove the WW threat so early on and there wasn't more to it considering that it was the first scene of the show before it delved into the political intrigue. I'm not going to say it seemed too easy, but considering how the NK died with all the abilities that he had, the dragons could burn the Red Keep in 804 with Cersei inside and that's it. There are four hours of story left as you said, which makes me wonder if there is some final twist coming from the fantastical elements or could also be that after years of theorizing and speculating, we expected too much vs. the general audience. I'm genuinely worried about them being able to stick the landing now. The NK didn't have to be around until the end but if they were going to extinguish that threat, it should have led to a game changer (either in some kind of supernatural revelation, major character deaths (like Dany or Jon) that would have upended everything, or for it to affect King's Landing in some form). Basically now, it feels like the only thing that really can carry the momentum is some kind of huge heel turn from Dany, Jon or Bran and that doesn't really seem to be set up very well at all. They've blown their wad (in a really impressive way mind you) with this battle and now, putting the laughable GC forces that the audience doesn't give a shit about in the way of an inevitable siege on KL is an incredibly weird choice for what looks like E5 (the climax of the entire show let it be said) will be. I imagine they have to have something much cooler and compelling than that in mind, they've been so secretive about what the back half of the season is, but this just struck me as a head scratcher of a way to go about putting these final six eps together.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 29, 2019 0:26:58 GMT -5
I imagine they have to have something much cooler and compelling than that in mind, they've been so secretive about what the back half of the season is, but this just struck me as a head scratcher of a way to go about putting these final six eps together. At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route.
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Post by katjushka on Apr 29, 2019 0:28:05 GMT -5
After watching it again I'll give it a 10. I dislike the darkness as well but other than that I have no complaints. Arya coming for the NK was breathtaking and I love the desperation you can almost taste during the battle.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 29, 2019 0:31:37 GMT -5
I imagine they have to have something much cooler and compelling than that in mind, they've been so secretive about what the back half of the season is, but this just struck me as a head scratcher of a way to go about putting these final six eps together. At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route. They've been keeping the second half of the season very secretive and now thinking more about the filming schedule, they spent nearly 3 months at the KL set in Belfast so they obviously have something big planned there.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 0:34:16 GMT -5
I imagine they have to have something much cooler and compelling than that in mind, they've been so secretive about what the back half of the season is, but this just struck me as a head scratcher of a way to go about putting these final six eps together. At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route. My (maybe misguided) fear is that like some ASOIAF fans, they have had the notion that they needed to just "deal" with the supernatural story in its entirety first and then end the series with the Game of Thrones. So they planned a huge spectacle to take care of this messy WW stuff so we could then pretend like it didn't really matter for the end run of the show which will now go back to the palace intrigue stuff. And I really don't think that's how Martin is going to deal with it. This is a fantasy story first and foremost with the backdrop of the War of the Roses to provide your entry point. If you are just going to fully dispense with the fantasy elements before the end of the story, that's a grave mistake IMO.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 29, 2019 0:34:31 GMT -5
At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route. They've been keeping the second half of the season very secretive and now thinking more about the filming schedule, they spent nearly 3 months at the KL set in Belfast so they obviously have something big planned there. And buried the lead in the season's front half accordingly. Something's afoot.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 0:52:30 GMT -5
BTW, both Alyssa Rosenberg and Alan Sepinwall (who are probably the two most prominent TV critics and fans of the show) both kind of hated this ep for many of the same reasons I have mentioned.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 29, 2019 0:53:31 GMT -5
BTW, both Alyssa Rosenberg and Alan Sepinwall (who are probably the two most prominent TV critics and fans of the show) both kind of hated this ep for many of the same reasons I have mentioned. Sepinwall's hated the show for years. He can eat a shoe.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 0:54:02 GMT -5
BTW, both Alyssa Rosenberg and Alan Sepinwall (who are probably the two most prominent TV critics and fans of the show) both kind of hated this ep for many of the same reasons I have mentioned. Sepinwall's hated the show for years. He can eat a shoe. He loved last week's ep so that's not true.
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