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Post by Nezzer on May 5, 2019 22:07:15 GMT -5
SO yeah, Sansa swore eternal silence on Jon's secret identity. For like, what, 12 minutes before she blabbed? It defies belief that the showrunners and even GRRM keep defending and holding Sansa up like some paragon of brilliance and virtue. She's an asshole. I despised her in the books, I've despised her in the show. I won't go as far to say I despise her character but I do really hate how selfish she is being written and how no one ever calls her out on being just as powerhungry as Daenerys or playing on people's lives. I mean for me it all goes back to Snowbowl, if she would've told Jon about her little army they could've planned a different strategy but Sansa literally gave zero fucks about Rickon, about the wildlings in Jon's army or even Jon. She just wanted Winterfell back and Ramsay dead, no matter how many lives were lost in the process. And since then all she's done is act all high and mighty and I'm crying because I don't see the Stark in her It does really suck that both Arya and Sansa have been all over Jon about choosing his family, saying how they can't trust Daenerys because she's not one of them and then it's Sansa herself that can't be trusted and for sure Jon will never call her out on that, no one will. Thank you so much for remembering to use the right name (you forgot to put it all caps but I forgive you)
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Post by mattpeto on May 5, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -5
Yeah I’m really not feeling Sansa. Her dislike for Dany is really just silly at this point. Daenerys has lost so much for the sake of protecting your dumb ass, and you thank her by conspiring against her? Girl fuck you It’s a sad irony that the “home” Dany dreamed of her whole life doesn’t even accept her. She should have stayed in Essos. Yeah Sansa better pull something great out of her ass over the next two episodes.
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Post by iheartseverus on May 5, 2019 22:09:35 GMT -5
-Jon will be reunited with his friends again (Tormund, Sam and Ghost). From your keyboard to the gods ears I hope this is true. It would save the series for me. When Jon rode away and Ghost whimpered and wasn't even acknowledged, I went rage red at Jon. WTF, asshole. Hopefully, your prediction will save me.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 22:11:16 GMT -5
And btw wtf was with the walls of KL? Shit looked like something from the renaissance fair. I guess they spent all their money on 803 & 805.
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Post by sercreighton on May 5, 2019 22:11:24 GMT -5
Yeah I’m really not feeling Sansa. Her dislike for Dany is really just silly at this point. Daenerys has lost so much for the sake of protecting your dumb ass, and you thank her by conspiring against her? Girl fuck you It’s a sad irony that the “home” Dany dreamed of her whole life doesn’t even accept her. She should have stayed in Essos. Beer! I wish Drogo hadn't died, a fucking waring, slaving, rapist warlord was one of the three best men she ever knew, Drogo, Jorah who fucking died defending the Starks home, and Greyworm, please god I know people want Clegane bowl but I hope he fucks up the Mountain. And mean just destroys him. Give him something, give him revenge, him or Euron. Both. But they won't.
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Post by Maesteress on May 5, 2019 22:11:28 GMT -5
I think y'all are being a little harsh on Jon - he never told Dany he was going to stay silent. He told her he felt he needed to tell his sisters and she basically gave him an ultimatum. Maybe it's just my own personal hangup, but I f*&*ing hate liars. (except when they're the bad guy, then I love to hate them). Jon isn't the bad guy, and the dude cannot tell a lie - it would eat him alive inside to keep that from Arya and Sansa. Dany KNOWS this. She knows exactly what happened at the Dragon Pit. Yes, she is asking (begging) him to stay silent, but she knows she's asking him to betray who his is. Jon isn't betraying anyone. He'd be betraying himself by keeping this from his family. It sucks for Dany, but if her head were on a little more straight, she might realize this all could be used for a greater good.
Jealousy is a very ugly thing. I love Dany, but I do not love this Dany.
Now, if we want to talk about Jon being a naive twit thinking Sansa was going to keep this secret, then that one I can't argue with.....
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Post by stannisforking299al on May 5, 2019 22:11:33 GMT -5
Not in this season. Admittedly she hasn't had much time to do much, but what has she really done? She's queen because...? and people support her because...? She's the last "bad guy", and don't get me wrong, I like Cersei, she's probably been one of the most consistently good elements of the show, but ever since season 6 she's just been kind of there. In fact, when season 6 killed off all of the other characters in King's Landing, Cersei just went kind of dormant. She's queen, but so what? Cersei thrives in political drama (like her interactions with Ned in S1) and ever since the show moved away from that, she's never really recovered imo. Since the sept of Baelor blew up, there's really been no one for her to interact with outside of Euron, and he's show Euron. There's just nothing about her current plot that interests me. i will concede she is astronomically more compelling when she has rivals to interact with. But idk, I feel like this is kind of the point of her story. She has become so isolated and so out of control, I feel like it was always headed here eventually. I’m reminded of her speech about (paraphrasing) all the men and jokes and disrespects she’s endured, all the while promising herself that one day, it would be her turn. Well, now it’s her turn. Yes I miss her sparring matches with Tyrion and Olenna, probably more than anyone else, but this is her third act. Alone on top of the world. It may well be, it just hasn't come across on screen yet. Fair enough, we've two more episodes to go, but so far, I've not really got the sense that Cersei is feeling isolated. There was the moment after she slept with Euron where she looked upset after he joked about putting a prince in her, but honestly, I think she was just planning to claim the child was Euron's, which she did this episode, so I dunno at this point. Like you say, this may be her final act, but it just feels like if that's the case, there are better ways to portray that onscreen that what they've given to Lena so far. Like, imagine Qyburn or someone else, walking in on a drunk Cersei having a conversation with herself or something, to show how her mental state is deteriorating? Where's super paranoid Cersei from AFFC anyway? There's so much they could have done with her!
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Post by Singer of Death on May 5, 2019 22:13:15 GMT -5
And btw wtf was with the walls of KL? Shit looked like something from the renaissance fair. I guess they spent all their money on 803 & 805. Correct me on this, but I don't think we ever saw the outside look of KL throughout the series, let alone a wall.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 5, 2019 22:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah I’m really not feeling Sansa. Her dislike for Dany is really just silly at this point. Daenerys has lost so much for the sake of protecting your dumb ass, and you thank her by conspiring against her? Girl fuck you It’s a sad irony that the “home” Dany dreamed of her whole life doesn’t even accept her. She should have stayed in Essos. I think the only rational point Sansa made was that they shouldn't go to war with Cersei yet because they needed time to rest and rebuild, other than that I don't understand her perspective here. The North would have been fucked without Dany's armies and dragons.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 5, 2019 22:14:48 GMT -5
Yeah I’m really not feeling Sansa. Her dislike for Dany is really just silly at this point. Daenerys has lost so much for the sake of protecting your dumb ass, and you thank her by conspiring against her? Girl fuck you It’s a sad irony that the “home” Dany dreamed of her whole life doesn’t even accept her. She should have stayed in Essos. I think the only rational point Sansa made was that they shouldn't go to war with Cersei yet because they needed time to rest and rebuild, other than that I don't understand her perspective here. The North would have been fucked without Dany's armies and dragons. i think it’s just contrived drama.
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Post by daeronthegood on May 5, 2019 22:15:13 GMT -5
Yeah I’m really not feeling Sansa. Her dislike for Dany is really just silly at this point. Daenerys has lost so much for the sake of protecting your dumb ass, and you thank her by conspiring against her? Girl fuck you It’s a sad irony that the “home” Dany dreamed of her whole life doesn’t even accept her. She should have stayed in Essos. She never should have left Essos. She has already changed the destiny of millions of former slaves for the better. Not to mention the untold millions who will never know slavery. She could've kept on that route to Volantis and the rest of Essos. To be the breaker of chains and get called a tyrant by a wishy washy useless fuck like Varys (what is his purpose by the way?) and betrayed and conspired against by the very people who owe you their lives is just tragic.
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Post by stannisforking299al on May 5, 2019 22:15:54 GMT -5
And btw wtf was with the walls of KL? Shit looked like something from the renaissance fair. I guess they spent all their money on 803 & 805. Correct me on this, but I don't think we ever saw the outside look of KL throughout the series, let alone a wall. The Battle of the Blackwater takes place almost exclusively next to a wall outside of King's Landing. That said, the Blackwater set looked a lot better than this.
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Post by Maesteress on May 5, 2019 22:16:40 GMT -5
And btw wtf was with the walls of KL? Shit looked like something from the renaissance fair. I guess they spent all their money on 803 & 805. LOL!! Roaring with laughter - thank you, I needed that. That's exactly what it was. And geez, it was so CLEAN outside those gates? Do they have sweepers? Not even a lonely tumbleweed.....
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Post by katjushka on May 5, 2019 22:21:03 GMT -5
And btw wtf was with the walls of KL? Shit looked like something from the renaissance fair. I guess they spent all their money on 803 & 805. I giggled a little because it was just the pathetic wall and nothing else
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Post by sercreighton on May 5, 2019 22:22:38 GMT -5
I think y'all are being a little harsh on Jon - he never told Dany he was going to stay silent. He told her he felt he needed to tell his sisters and she basically gave him an ultimatum. Maybe it's just my own personal hangup, but I f*&*ing hate liars. (except when they're the bad guy, then I love to hate them). Jon isn't the bad guy, and the dude cannot tell a lie - it would eat him alive inside to keep that from Arya and Sansa. Dany KNOWS this. She knows exactly what happened at the Dragon Pit. Yes, she is asking (begging) him to stay silent, but she knows she's asking him to betray who his is. Jon isn't betraying anyone. He'd be betraying himself by keeping this from his family. It sucks for Dany, but if her head were on a little more straight, she might realize this all could be used for a greater good. Jealousy is a very ugly thing. I love Dany, but I do not love this Dany. Now, if we want to talk about Jon being a naive twit thinking Sansa was going to keep this secret, then that one I can't argue with..... You do realize Dany was 100 percent right, the moment it leaked people started plotting against her planning to force the throne on Jon. Best part Varys loves him for no appearent reason and considers him weak willed compared to Dany. Which he clearly is. She lost almost everything for him and his family started plotting against her, without running it past him and for what reason? We can't trust her the woman who lost almost everything for us, but we can trust Tyrion. Dany knew, and all she really wanted was Jon who she is in love with. And he told the LF disciple who keeps saying she trusts him then constantly goes behind his back. Oh and all happy she is going to kill Cersei, and still plotting against her.
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