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Post by moiaf on Jun 29, 2016 7:11:07 GMT -5
Here are all the released chapters to date for the upcoming The Winds of Winter. Attachments:the-winds-of-winter.pdf (593.22 KB)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 8:21:19 GMT -5
After rewatching the finale, I got the idea that the books (probably at the end of Winds) will try to recreate the moment of Jon being declared King. My thoughts are that Howland could possibly travel north after the Boltons are inevitably defeated, and deliver to Jon and the Northern lords Robb's will, officially naming Jon his heir. Obviously it's an entirely different set of circumstances (eg Rickon, Stannis, Theon) but I think it'll probably end largely the same as the show.
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Post by Diablotion on Jun 29, 2016 10:21:55 GMT -5
After rewatching the finale, I got the idea that the books (probably at the end of Winds) will try to recreate the moment of Jon being declared King. My thoughts are that Howland could possibly travel north after the Boltons are inevitably defeated, and deliver to Jon and the Northern lords Robb's will, officially naming Jon his heir. Obviously it's an entirely different set of circumstances (eg Rickon, Stannis, Theon) but I think it'll probably end largely the same as the show. How will Sansa fit in this? Perhaps Sansa is the clear favorite for the job, but Howland and Robb's will changes everything. What about Rickon? Ramsay might get a hold of him if Wyman fails? I believe that Jon will be KitN by the end of TWOW. Stannis to die against the Boltons or the WW.. or he gets outplayed by the Northern lords.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 10:52:50 GMT -5
After rewatching the finale, I got the idea that the books (probably at the end of Winds) will try to recreate the moment of Jon being declared King. My thoughts are that Howland could possibly travel north after the Boltons are inevitably defeated, and deliver to Jon and the Northern lords Robb's will, officially naming Jon his heir. Obviously it's an entirely different set of circumstances (eg Rickon, Stannis, Theon) but I think it'll probably end largely the same as the show. How will Sansa fit in this? Perhaps Sansa is the clear favorite for the job, but Howland and Robb's will changes everything. What about Rickon? Ramsay might get a hold of him if Wyman fails? I believe that Jon will be KitN by the end of TWOW. Stannis to die against the Boltons or the WW.. or he gets outplayed by the Northern lords. Honestly I have no clue. There's so many wildcards. The only thing I'm sure about is that Stannis will die, though I'm not entirely sure how. Keep in mind Shireen and Selyse are also still alive, so maybe he'll get back to castle black or maybe they'll die in something to do with Jon's resurrection. Unfortunately I'm inclined to believe the Pink Letter is Ramsay's, so it could just be as simple as him losing to the Boltons then being killed. As for Sansa, I've though about it a bit but I just can't think of a scenario. I've got a feeling she'll be raped by Harry on their wedding night, but by then he'll presumably know she's a Stark so he'd be more likely to treat her kindly. There's an endless number of possibilities so it's impossible to predict
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 0:17:17 GMT -5
I think Ramsay will win against Stannis, Manderly and his forces will flee as well as some other northern lords. When Jon is resurrected by Melisandre burning Shireen, selyse kills herself and Edd and Tormund work together to capture the NW traitors. Jon, still determined to rescue Arya and retake his home gathers the wildlings, and tours the North to get men. Meanwhile Sansa and Littlefinger take over the Vale and the support of their lords by the marriage of Harry the heir and sansa. After the wedding sweetrobin dies and the Vale is Sansa's. When she hears about her sister in Winterfell she leads the troupes north to rescue her and retake Winterfell. Davos finds out the Umbers are hiding Rickon and that he wasn't where Manderly had said. the Umbers betray the starks and hand Rickon over to Ramsay as a hostage. the battle plays out much the same, with Sansa saving the day.
I don't think Harry will rape Sansa. She is different in the book, and after reading her TWOW its clear shes got him wrapped around her little finger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 0:45:10 GMT -5
It's too soon for me to make a judgment on Harry. I don't think it will be all roses though, with Sansa easily manipulating him. He'll probably end up being another casualty of LF.
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Post by Diablotion on Jun 30, 2016 1:29:22 GMT -5
I think Ramsay will win against Stannis, Manderly and his forces will flee as well as some other northern lords. When Jon is resurrected by Melisandre burning Shireen, selyse kills herself and Edd and Tormund work together to capture the NW traitors. Jon, still determined to rescue Arya and retake his home gathers the wildlings, and tours the North to get men. Meanwhile Sansa and Littlefinger take over the Vale and the support of their lords by the marriage of Harry the heir and sansa. After the wedding sweetrobin dies and the Vale is Sansa's. When she hears about her sister in Winterfell she leads the troupes north to rescue her and retake Winterfell. Davos finds out the Umbers are hiding Rickon and that he wasn't where Manderly had said. the Umbers betray the starks and hand Rickon over to Ramsay as a hostage. the battle plays out much the same, with Sansa saving the day. I don't think Harry will rape Sansa. She is different in the book, and after reading her TWOW its clear shes got him wrapped around her little finger. Umbers betraying the Starks in the books? I haven't given it much thought.. but they're not going to side with the men who killed Smalljon and captured Greatjon.. or maybe this is just hopeful thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 2:12:22 GMT -5
I think Ramsay will win against Stannis, Manderly and his forces will flee as well as some other northern lords. When Jon is resurrected by Melisandre burning Shireen, selyse kills herself and Edd and Tormund work together to capture the NW traitors. Jon, still determined to rescue Arya and retake his home gathers the wildlings, and tours the North to get men. Meanwhile Sansa and Littlefinger take over the Vale and the support of their lords by the marriage of Harry the heir and sansa. After the wedding sweetrobin dies and the Vale is Sansa's. When she hears about her sister in Winterfell she leads the troupes north to rescue her and retake Winterfell. Davos finds out the Umbers are hiding Rickon and that he wasn't where Manderly had said. the Umbers betray the starks and hand Rickon over to Ramsay as a hostage. the battle plays out much the same, with Sansa saving the day. I don't think Harry will rape Sansa. She is different in the book, and after reading her TWOW its clear shes got him wrapped around her little finger. Umbers betraying the Starks in the books? I haven't given it much thought.. but they're not going to side with the men who killed Smalljon and captured Greatjon.. or maybe this is just hopeful thinking. yeah I'm not sure but I think its possible rickon gets into Ramsay's hands in the book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 9:18:21 GMT -5
I think Ramsay will win against Stannis, Manderly and his forces will flee as well as some other northern lords. When Jon is resurrected by Melisandre burning Shireen, selyse kills herself and Edd and Tormund work together to capture the NW traitors. Jon, still determined to rescue Arya and retake his home gathers the wildlings, and tours the North to get men. Meanwhile Sansa and Littlefinger take over the Vale and the support of their lords by the marriage of Harry the heir and sansa. After the wedding sweetrobin dies and the Vale is Sansa's. When she hears about her sister in Winterfell she leads the troupes north to rescue her and retake Winterfell. Davos finds out the Umbers are hiding Rickon and that he wasn't where Manderly had said. the Umbers betray the starks and hand Rickon over to Ramsay as a hostage. the battle plays out much the same, with Sansa saving the day. I don't think Harry will rape Sansa. She is different in the book, and after reading her TWOW its clear shes got him wrapped around her little finger. So do you think that Jeyne/Arya will just be back in Winterfell with Ramsay? I thought she got sent North to the Wall anyway. And I'm still not sure how Asha and Theon fit into the story at all. And while it did seem like Sansa had Harry in the chapter, I've still got a feeling that there needs to be some kind of tragedy happening to her. GRRM has said that everyone is still going to have some kind of difficulties going forward and it won't be a happy ending just yet. She's still a virgin in the books so it could be that while she's got Harry around her finger for now, she doesn't realise (or hasn't thought about) the wedding night itself.
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Post by moiaf on Jun 30, 2016 9:28:50 GMT -5
It's too soon for me to make a judgment on Harry. I don't think it will be all roses though, with Sansa easily manipulating him. He'll probably end up being another casualty of LF. I think he might take the part of Ramsay, not a sadist but an abusive husband. Sansa will go into it thinking she can control the situation and it will disintegrate rather quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 23:57:25 GMT -5
I think Ramsay will win against Stannis, Manderly and his forces will flee as well as some other northern lords. When Jon is resurrected by Melisandre burning Shireen, selyse kills herself and Edd and Tormund work together to capture the NW traitors. Jon, still determined to rescue Arya and retake his home gathers the wildlings, and tours the North to get men. Meanwhile Sansa and Littlefinger take over the Vale and the support of their lords by the marriage of Harry the heir and sansa. After the wedding sweetrobin dies and the Vale is Sansa's. When she hears about her sister in Winterfell she leads the troupes north to rescue her and retake Winterfell. Davos finds out the Umbers are hiding Rickon and that he wasn't where Manderly had said. the Umbers betray the starks and hand Rickon over to Ramsay as a hostage. the battle plays out much the same, with Sansa saving the day. I don't think Harry will rape Sansa. She is different in the book, and after reading her TWOW its clear shes got him wrapped around her little finger. So do you think that Jeyne/Arya will just be back in Winterfell with Ramsay? I thought she got sent North to the Wall anyway. And I'm still not sure how Asha and Theon fit into the story at all. And while it did seem like Sansa had Harry in the chapter, I've still got a feeling that there needs to be some kind of tragedy happening to her. GRRM has said that everyone is still going to have some kind of difficulties going forward and it won't be a happy ending just yet. She's still a virgin in the books so it could be that while she's got Harry around her finger for now, she doesn't realise (or hasn't thought about) the wedding night itself. i think there are two options 1) Theon, Asha and Jeyne flee to the Iron Islands or 2) Theon, Asha, Jeyne flee to the North to deliver the news to Jon and ensure Jeyne is safe. Then theon and asha go to the iron islands to try win them back. Also i doubt it. Sansa was spared a wedding night atrocity by Tyrion, but she is well aware of what happens. And i don't think she thinks she can be a virgin forever. She is well aware of the plan set by littlefinger and she is playing along with it well. Whether she likes the plan or not is another subject. But Sansa seems determined to make this Harry the Heir thing work.. Also i don't think Harry is a 'bad' person. He was thrown into this situation just as much as her, he was an asshole about it but was warming up to her by the end of the chapter. Remember he has already got a son and i don't think he wanted to get married at all.
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Post by Diablotion on Jul 1, 2016 2:11:08 GMT -5
So do you think that Jeyne/Arya will just be back in Winterfell with Ramsay? I thought she got sent North to the Wall anyway. And I'm still not sure how Asha and Theon fit into the story at all. And while it did seem like Sansa had Harry in the chapter, I've still got a feeling that there needs to be some kind of tragedy happening to her. GRRM has said that everyone is still going to have some kind of difficulties going forward and it won't be a happy ending just yet. She's still a virgin in the books so it could be that while she's got Harry around her finger for now, she doesn't realise (or hasn't thought about) the wedding night itself. i think there are two options 1) Theon, Asha and Jeyne flee to the Iron Islands or 2) Theon, Asha, Jeyne flee to the North to deliver the news to Jon and ensure Jeyne is safe. Then theon and asha go to the iron islands to try win them back. Also i doubt it. Sansa was spared a wedding night atrocity by Tyrion, but she is well aware of what happens. And i don't think she thinks she can be a virgin forever. She is well aware of the plan set by littlefinger and she is playing along with it well. Whether she likes the plan or not is another subject. But Sansa seems determined to make this Harry the Heir thing work.. Also i don't think Harry is a 'bad' person. He was thrown into this situation just as much as her, he was an asshole about it but was warming up to her by the end of the chapter. Remember he has already got a son and i don't think he wanted to get married at all. First I thought that Stannis would execute Theon and keep Asha as a POW and she just escapes when Stannis dies, but then I read about the interesting theory about Theon the Latecomer. The moot was unlawful without Theon. Asha will win the Kingsmoot 2.0. But didn't GRRM promise that no more POV characters will be raped?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 4:23:02 GMT -5
i think there are two options 1) Theon, Asha and Jeyne flee to the Iron Islands or 2) Theon, Asha, Jeyne flee to the North to deliver the news to Jon and ensure Jeyne is safe. Then theon and asha go to the iron islands to try win them back. Also i doubt it. Sansa was spared a wedding night atrocity by Tyrion, but she is well aware of what happens. And i don't think she thinks she can be a virgin forever. She is well aware of the plan set by littlefinger and she is playing along with it well. Whether she likes the plan or not is another subject. But Sansa seems determined to make this Harry the Heir thing work.. Also i don't think Harry is a 'bad' person. He was thrown into this situation just as much as her, he was an asshole about it but was warming up to her by the end of the chapter. Remember he has already got a son and i don't think he wanted to get married at all. First I thought that Stannis would execute Theon and keep Asha as a POW and she just escapes when Stannis dies, but then I read about the interesting theory about Theon the Latecomer. The moot was unlawful without Theon. Asha will win the Kingsmoot 2.0. But didn't GRRM promise that no more POV characters will be raped? Yes i think so too. GRRM made a point of the fact that Theon wasn't at the Kingsmoot That's right, which is why it won't be rape...if it happens
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 1, 2016 7:33:41 GMT -5
BrydenBFish posted this excellent reddit the other day. His quote below: The bolded font is my version of the ones that will come to fruition in TWOW: Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old womanRoose Bolton's death Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest Sandor Clegane survived Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells, High SparrowDaenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/Tyrells Ramsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat BoltonsDaenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet Jon crowned King in the North Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands Arya departs Braavos as Arya StarkArya kills Walder Frey Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners Jon Snow's mother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 8:53:03 GMT -5
I pretty much agree, but I would have also bolded Roose dying, and Dany sailing for Westeros with the Ironborn.
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