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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 10:38:30 GMT -5
It's an absolute joke. If I had started the series when it first came out I would have given up on it long ago.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 6, 2016 10:45:13 GMT -5
Not sure if there is a thread here for speculation on when the book is coming out. But the last sizable update we got from GRRM about TWOW coming was after New Year's Day. So we are half way done 2016, so we'll have some sort of real clue in 6 months if he's close or not. That announcement was made because he had tried to set himself deadlines, and failed at them, so he said he's done with that and going back to "it'll be done when it's done" Although I don't think he'll be completely silent for 6 months, I wouldn't expect another update similar to that one. I expect it'll just be another "done when it's done" style update. He did release the Aeron chapter a couple of months ago, which is not an update, but it is something new. It's an absolute joke. If I had started the series when it first came out I would have given up on it long ago. I'm with you on that, it is ridiculous. I started reading 5 years ago and I'm already getting tired of waiting. I waited for Harry Potter bu Jo always delivered. There have been to many false starts with GRRM, it's hard to stay expectant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 10:53:13 GMT -5
That announcement was made because he had tried to set himself deadlines, and failed at them, so he said he's done with that and going back to "it'll be done when it's done" Although I don't think he'll be completely silent for 6 months, I wouldn't expect another update similar to that one. I expect it'll just be another "done when it's done" style update. He did release the Aeron chapter a couple of months ago, which is not an update, but it is something new. It's true that it's new for us, and obviously that's not nothing, but he wrote that chapter years ago and has been asking if he's wanted people to read it for a while now IIRC. So "new" is only half-right. As for the long wait, I agree it's ridiculous, but I'd rather wait for something that's good (or even great) than settle with something which he rushed just to reach a deadline. Of course, there's also the risk that it's not worth the long wait, but I don't want to think about that.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 6, 2016 11:01:45 GMT -5
He did release the Aeron chapter a couple of months ago, which is not an update, but it is something new. It's true that it's new for us, and obviously that's not nothing, but he wrote that chapter years ago and has been asking if he's wanted people to read it for a while now IIRC. So "new" is only half-right. As for the long wait, I agree it's ridiculous, but I'd rather wait for something that's good (or even great) than settle with something which he rushed just to reach a deadline. Of course, there's also the risk that it's not worth the long wait, but I don't want to think about that. I want something good to, however, people waited 5 years for Dance and that was a bloated mess. That book needed some serious editing, and I believe had it gotten seriously edited he could have began to condense the story instead of expanding it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 11:13:07 GMT -5
It's true that it's new for us, and obviously that's not nothing, but he wrote that chapter years ago and has been asking if he's wanted people to read it for a while now IIRC. So "new" is only half-right. As for the long wait, I agree it's ridiculous, but I'd rather wait for something that's good (or even great) than settle with something which he rushed just to reach a deadline. Of course, there's also the risk that it's not worth the long wait, but I don't want to think about that. I want something good to, however, people waited 5 years for Dance and that was a bloated mess. That book needed some serious editing, and I believe had it gotten seriously edited he could have began to condense the story instead of expanding it. Yes, I think that's true with AFFC as well. They were both very focused on world-building IMO, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it seemed like storytelling took a bit of a back seat as a consequence. I feel like there were many storylines which dragged on for a lot of the book (Brienne, Dany, Jon) with not a lot of payoff at the end, like the numerous cliffhangers. Hopefully though he'll do away with more of the POVs in TWOW as more storylines merge and characters meet. And if season 6 is any indication, they could speed up the plot quite a bit.
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Post by Envie on Jul 6, 2016 11:31:11 GMT -5
It's an absolute joke. If I had started the series when it first came out I would have given up on it long ago. I've waited! I mean, what else is there to do? A lot of years passed in between books but it's nothing like the anticipation the story has now due to the show's popularity. Back in the "old days" I didn't even participate in the fandom online so it really wasn't something I obsessed about or even thought about much other than checking the upcoming book release dates at whatever favorite book chain I liked. I honestly didn't really notice the years passing (life was busy). Now that my life is quieter and I'm older, AND the show has rekindled obsession about the ending, I think it's much more difficult to wait it out than back when I didn't have a yearly show to obsess over too. It's just perspective I guess. It didn't matter as much back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 16:02:25 GMT -5
I just hope that when/if TWoW comes out, George's editors won't decide to remove the battles...
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 7, 2016 2:30:36 GMT -5
I just hope that when/if TWoW comes out, George's editors won't decide to remove the battles... Wasn't that his own decision to hold Dance chapters back for Winds? Idt his editors really have much power to change the books now that they're such a success. Feast/Dance would have probably looked a lot different if he actually had someone to rein him in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 4:38:11 GMT -5
I just hope that when/if TWoW comes out, George's editors won't decide to remove the battles... Wasn't that his own decision to hold Dance chapters back for Winds? Idt his editors really have much power to change the books now that they're such a success. Feast/Dance would have probably looked a lot different if he actually had someone to rein him in. Some chapters, yes. Sansa, Damphair, and Arianne chapters at least. His editors took both Battle of Ice and Siege of Meereen out because the book would've been too large to publish. IIRC they said that GRRM should cut some least important Tyrion and Jon chapters, but he refused. So it was George's fault too. Though they could've cut the book in half. Instead of Battle of Ice we got boring travelogue. ADwD is still my favourite book, but if they cut the boring parts and added the two battles it'd be a lot better.
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Post by dje on Jul 7, 2016 7:09:11 GMT -5
I first started reading the books in 2003, Only the first 3 books were out then, waiting on GRRM is sadly something I've become used to. I am hopeful we will have it in our hands by Christmas, by the start of next season at the latest...Fingers crossed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 15:21:45 GMT -5
I just hope that when/if TWoW comes out, George's editors won't decide to remove the battles... If his editors had actually done their job with Dance then the battles would have definitely made it in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 16:23:00 GMT -5
I just hope that when/if TWoW comes out, George's editors won't decide to remove the battles... If his editors had actually done their job with Dance then the battles would have definitely made it in. Editors: George, I don't think this chapter is necessary. You could combine these three chapters, then you'd have one amazing chapter, instead of three mediocre/bad. George: lol no
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 7, 2016 17:01:30 GMT -5
If his editors had actually done their job with Dance then the battles would have definitely made it in. Editors: George, I don't think this chapter is necessary. You could combine these three chapters, then you'd have one amazing chapter, instead of three mediocre/bad. George: lol no the guy wouldn't even take suggestions about cutting down on words are wind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 17:17:15 GMT -5
Editors: George, I don't think this chapter is necessary. You could combine these three chapters, then you'd have one amazing chapter, instead of three mediocre/bad. George: lol no the guy wouldn't even take suggestions about cutting down on words are wind. I never understood the problem with that. People use sayings like that in the real world all the time. Stuff like "Wherever whores go" or "Moonboy for all I know" every other sentence were the ones I didn't like.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 7, 2016 17:59:09 GMT -5
I think in the end there was a lot of redundancy, the chapters could have been compressed and the same information could have come across in a more condense manner. There was way too much exposition/travelog.
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