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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 2:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by Envie on Jul 30, 2016 18:30:14 GMT -5
This is another really strong episode that only stumbled short of a 10 for me in a couple minor places (mostly the overdone sexposition many whined about originally).
Looking back on it, I remember thinking this was a really thrilling episode but have since become jaded with 'thrilling' episodes over the past six seasons, haha... what shits we've become about it all!
I love the acting in this one. Some might argue the King's Landing stuff was always too over-dramatic (it definitely felt that way in 1x03 when we first got there) ... but I begin to see now that it was entirely on purpose to show just what the warning to Ned was about... how King's landing is full of backstabbing and lies. Everyone's got a finger in the pot here even Loras and Renly are plotting. Ned's completely out-gamed here... by Varys, by Littlefinger, even by Robert, and then finally by Jaime in the end. It's frustrating to watch poor honorable Ned bumbling his way through one trap and right into the next one. Littlefinger set him up to go to the brothel to buy some time for the news to get out to Jaime about Tyrion. Dammit, if Ned had just left when he first stormed out on Robert! But of course I know that probably wouldn't have worked either as Jaime would have ridden Ned down somewhere on the Kingsroad trying to escape so it was probably for the best (and the story) it went as it did!
I'm still not as disgusted by all the sexposition (Ros and Theon, Renly and Loras, Littlefinger and his whores) as many were but I do agree it adds a certain amount of 'tastelessness' to the story which was again entirely on purpose I think. Sex and lies and killing... all part of the daily routine there! Even still, they ended up being the only really weak scenes compared to how strong and drama filled the rest were. The bit with Bran, Theon and Maester Luwin (naming the houses on the map) dragged a tiny bit though I do understand the intention of it, to show Bran's unhappiness at his Mother being gone and giving the Maester a bit of a hard time - but it wasn't really all that necessary other than to give Theon another chance to be a bragging shit head.
Great episode full of some very iconic epic moments such as Jaime and Ned fighting, Cat/Rodrik/Bronn/Tyrion fighting the Hills tribes in the Vale trip, Lysa the nutbag and her nutbag kid sucking her tit, Gregor and Sandor fighting - that was so awesome to see again. So many great moments in this episode I had completely forgotten!
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 30, 2016 23:03:56 GMT -5
9 out of 10
This was definitely Ned's episode. His honor takes a big hit and he's taken out from behind, a cowardly act by a nameless soldier.(Which we will later see in Season 6 echos his fight with Ser Arthur Dayne). Everyone in King's Landing is a better player than he and the dawning comprehension that Robert isn't the man he grew up with all bring low the last honorable man in Westeros. It's sad, especially the missed chances to escape, take his daughters and make sure they are safe before setting a barricade across the Neck saying No Admittance! And finding out Jon Arryn was murdered followed closely by Catelyn seizing the Imp; the poor man never had a chance.
Crazy Lysa and the Vale, what can you say except, eww. I'd forgotten the look on Cat's face when she realized her sister had taken the crazy train out of town. Cat was so quick to grab a prisoner she had no means to keep, I am again reminded of how the Stark's fail so magnificently when they are away from not only each other, but from Winterfell as well.
Overall a solid episode. Loved Varys in this one, moving behind the scenes and through the dungeons. Arya chasing cats (Cat of the Canals). Oh, I am enjoying this trip through the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 3:18:42 GMT -5
9/10 for me as well. One or two scenes I wasn't crazy about, and I kind if missed Vaes Dothrak and the Wall, but there was some great stuff in this episode. Particularly the scene between Robert and Cersei. Which was easily the highlight of the episode for me. This was also when I started liking Sandor and Bronn.
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Post by konradsmith on Jul 31, 2016 5:22:07 GMT -5
First 10 of the show. Excluding the Wall and Essos did wonders for its pacing. Particularly the focus on KL. The Cat and Tyrion bits were quite good up there in the Vale and giving them screentime was necessary. But really honing in on Ned and the KL going's on was a very smart move. To invest that time into Ned and Robert's friendship and its dissolution, on the Small Council and its members, on Arya, Robert and Cersei's marriage, Renly and Loras's relationship and finally on Jaime's character, made for the first great episode of the show. The WF bits weren't exactly necessary, particularly the Theon banging Ros scene and his further yammering on about the Iron Islands before they were plot-relevant...but the rest of the ep. was so good I won't deduct a point for that. This ep. did the best work at developing Ned, Varys and Jaime's characters. What it did for Ned is pretty self-explanatory, it finally showed him standing up to Robert (which he should've done with Lady in 102) and showed his morality and his willingness to draw a line in the sand no matter the political cost. And of course as we now know his want to protect Dany comes from his protection of Jon and the ways that the Sack of KL and the Targ kids massacre disturbed him. He knows Robert can't be trusted on this count but now he learns that that wasn't just Robert in the heat of the Rebellion but him even still so many years later. His concern for Dany here likely means he's thinking all the more about Jon. Poor Neddo. Then we've got Varys who gets a huge chunk of screentime devoted to him. From the Ned meeting, to what Arya overheard to the LF scene and Small Council scene, this is what turned him from a campy side character to an integrally important masterwork. All thanks to Conleth Hill. The way he plays him so perfectly between his honesty and his slipperiness and manages to never land too heavily on either side of the equation cannot be understated. And then there's Jaime. He only got one scene in the ep. but it's one of his best. We see him as we have before as an antagonist to Ned but we also see for the first time that he's not a paper tiger. He's a force to be reckoned with. And also that there's more to them than just a jerkoff. He has a code. When he knocks out his troop for maiming Ned and interrupting their duel, that's a moment where you realize it's not just about winning to him. He still has a sense of propriety on some level despite everything else we know he's done. This is also the only glimpse we get at his martial prowess prior to his capture too. And its impressive. Of course at this point in the show he's still a villain. But it builds him up as an interesting one rather than a one dimensional one for the first time. I remember back in 2011 my mum, my brother and I missed the first few minutes of this ep. coming back home late from a Czech restaurant. Which was a shame. I was already decently into the show and my OCD can't abide missing the beginning of something. But still, it was 9:03 or something and with a minute or so of the non-opening credits segments of the ep. trimmed off (the most I've missed of a live-airing GoT episode, I might add smugly) it still worked. And the flow and the pacing of it, especially compared to the previous episodes of s1, really did impress me. I still wasn't too big on the dialogue or some of the visuals of the show. But this proved further to win me over at a point when I really wanted this new HBO show. based on some books I'd skimmed through in my high school library. to at least turn out to be half-good. And it did the trick yet again and upped the ante. So
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Post by laurya on Jul 31, 2016 12:51:49 GMT -5
It's a 10 for me. Especially while focusing on KL most of the time, it ties lot of non-KL stuff in: The Wall and Catelyn/Tyrion via Yoren, Essos via Arya overhearing Illyrio and Varys and of course the Small Council discussing the fate of Daenerys.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 31, 2016 18:32:05 GMT -5
Since this episode focuses so heavily on Ned and Robert's relationship, does anyone think Ned ever had a chance to succeed as Hand? To me, it is apparent why Jon Arryn filled that position in Robert's government while Ned went back to the North. His sense of honor is directly at odds with everyone and everything in King's Landing. By the time the Sept explodes in Season 6, we are ready for a cleansing of the cesspool that passes for the seat of the King. Even the High Sparrow and his acolytes recognize the need for a 'Purge' in the old Houses of Westeros. As events move toward the eventual war of the 5 Kings, in some respects it's a welcome change from the intricate workings of government which Ned is thrust into. A war is easy to understand, you know who your enemy is. In politics, enemies and friends change like the winds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 18:48:22 GMT -5
10 without a doubt This episode has so many great scenes. Cleganebowl 1.0, Varys and Littlefinger, Varys and Ned, Ned, Lancel and Robert pre-tourney, Robert and Cersei, the small council meeting, the fight on the East Road, Tyrion at the Eyrie. and Jaime vs Ned. I think it benefitted from leaving out the Wall and Dany because it was much more focused and contained.
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Post by Envie on Jul 31, 2016 21:18:17 GMT -5
Since this episode focuses so heavily on Ned and Robert's relationship, does anyone think Ned ever had a chance to succeed as Hand? To me, it is apparent why Jon Arryn filled that position in Robert's government while Ned went back to the North. His sense of honor is directly at odds with everyone and everything in King's Landing. By the time the Sept explodes in Season 6, we are ready for a cleansing of the cesspool that passes for the seat of the King. Even the High Sparrow and his acolytes recognize the need for a 'Purge' in the old Houses of Westeros. As events move toward the eventual war of the 5 Kings, in some respects it's a welcome change from the intricate workings of government which Ned is thrust into. A war is easy to understand, you know who your enemy is. In politics, enemies and friends change like the winds.So true! Ned even said, "War was easier than daughters." And the same could be said for politics. Drama! Ned doesn't do politics or drama very well (or apparently understand his daughters either). I think if Robert weren't killed so quickly, Ned might have actually recovered from the mess - but really the dam had already sprung a leak and Robert's death was just the whole thing gushing forward out of control. Ned and Robert together (not at odds) could have overcome the Lannisters but I'm not sure about what other cards Littlefinger had up his sleeve. There were just so many factors playing together all at once: Catelyn taking Tyrion, Ned not being cautious as he was advised and continuing to investigate the bastards of Robert even at the last minute when he should have been escaping, the small council all ganging up on him to support Robert's obsessive need to assassinate Daenerys and then of course next we'll see Robert taken out of the picture too. That's the last thing that kept Ned safe. As for the rest of the years to come ... it just spiraled downward with the war of five kings. There's even imagery there from Season 1 and Season 6 versions of King's Landing. They look vastly different and not just because they were filmed in different locations. They changed the coloring, made it dirtier, narrower and more claustrophobic feeling. The people are all 'sparrow' drab too compared to what they looked like back in Season 1 (the commoners anyways). They've done a great job showing how badly things have gone with Joffrey/Tommen as kings and the rest of the seven kingdoms out of control. King's Landing has really suffered a lot since then.
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Post by izzue on Aug 1, 2016 0:39:16 GMT -5
I give this one a 10. So packed with vital backstory for us but worked in so smoothly, and as Envie said in the general episode discussion thread (http://housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/post/9055/thread), the dialogue between the characters, and the really smart pairing of them, was a big part of what make this episode work so well. And, then, it also had some of my very favorite scenes - all of the ones with Arya, the ones with Varys, and all the ones where Ned asks questions, the thing that got Jon Arryn killed, starting with "But who holds the straws?" in the first scene of the episode.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 1, 2016 17:15:32 GMT -5
I gave it a 9, excellent episode but I missed Vaes Dothraki and the Wall.
You can begin to see the layers of scheming that takes place there, it's a rat infested nest that Ned had no chance of ever winning. You can also see how hard ruling really is and how leaders may become disillusioned with ruling. I don't think that's true of every leader, but someone like Robert who just wanted to fuck and fight should never have been King. You want your king or queen to be someone who actually wants to work at it and to try to make their kingdoms a better place for their people. Someone who understand that setbacks are just par for the course. But that kind of leader is hard to find.
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Post by dje on Aug 3, 2016 8:09:31 GMT -5
I give it a 9, very good episode, I love seeing all of the political intrigue in KL, Jaime and NEds fight was great, would have loved to see that play out to its conclusion.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 3, 2016 12:18:20 GMT -5
I give it a 9. There's a nice balance of character development and action in this one. Watching it again, I remember stupidly saying "omg did you see that!?" to my husband when the Mountain cut that horse's head off. Did not see that coming. I liked Tyrion saving Cat though, episode by episode you get the sense that Tyrion is the exception to the Lannisters being bad. Cat's wtf face when she saw Lysa breastfeeding was excellent too.
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