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Post by iheartseverus on Jul 14, 2016 18:27:21 GMT -5
This is GRRM's original proposal written to his literary agent in 1993, outlining a proposed trilogy to be called 'A Song of Ice and Fire.' Wow, I'm glad he changed a lot of this! Jaime on the Throne? Jon and Arya in love? :o I understand GRRM discussed, or at least mentioned, this proposal at the recent Balticon, but I haven't yet found a transcript or reportage of that. If I find it, I will bring it here. The link at the bottom of this post will take you to a larger, easier-to-read photo of the 3-page letter (which was written to literary agent Ralph Vicinanza).i.imgur.com/9aDrORj.jpg
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 12, 2017 0:10:57 GMT -5
You all know there was a Winds of Winter update yesterday right?
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jan 12, 2017 0:18:08 GMT -5
You all know there was a Winds of Winter update yesterday right? Yeah he said something about how it could be out this year, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Amazon in France even had that March 9th release date for a little bit back in September.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 12, 2017 0:22:12 GMT -5
You all know there was a Winds of Winter update yesterday right? Yeah he said something about how it could be out this year, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Amazon in France even had that March 9th release date for a little bit back in September. He said the same thing last year, he has been months away from finishing it for 2 years now. I just noticed no updates or anything, and nobody even mentioning that Martin actually said something about winds. Just thought that was weird, man usually farts and most fans inhale.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jan 12, 2017 0:28:12 GMT -5
Yeah he said something about how it could be out this year, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Amazon in France even had that March 9th release date for a little bit back in September. He said the same thing last year, he has been months away from finishing it for 2 years now. I just noticed no updates or anything, and nobody even mentioning that Martin actually said something about winds. Just thought that was weird, man usually farts and most fans inhale. I know WotW posted an article about that, but I think fans are almost tired of his same answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 3:02:49 GMT -5
He said the same thing last year, he has been months away from finishing it for 2 years now. I just noticed no updates or anything, and nobody even mentioning that Martin actually said something about winds. Just thought that was weird, man usually farts and most fans inhale. I know WotW posted an article about that, but I think fans are almost tired of his same answer. You got that right. I find it hard to even care at this point.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jan 12, 2017 3:05:59 GMT -5
I know WotW posted an article about that, but I think fans are almost tired of his same answer. You got that right. I find it hard to even care at this point. It's also different for people who read the books before the show began. I started them after S2 so I guess the wait is not as frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 4:06:26 GMT -5
You got that right. I find it hard to even care at this point. It's also different for people who read the books before the show began. I started them after S2 so I guess the wait is not as frustrating. I read the books after S1. But it's now 6 years and counting since ADwD. That's ridiculous. He started this story in the 90's ffs.
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Post by moiaf on Jan 12, 2017 10:13:28 GMT -5
I'm in general agreement with the group. I enjoy GRRM's storytelling, I have some issues with his writing style but whatever. However, as much as I love these characters and their journey, I'm getting tired of waiting for the source material to conclude their story. That sounds really sad, but I feel that to a certain extent authors do own their audience a conclusion to a tale they started. Like any author, they sell us tales and we buy them with the understanding that we'll get an ending to that tale. It's a give and take.
It's getting tiresome waiting for the conclusion and I want to know how it ends. The journey has been great, but it's been 20+ years, end please.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 10:30:54 GMT -5
As much as I do want George to finish - and as much as I do love the show, if I could choose between the books finishing first or the show, I would choose the books - through years of disappointment, I've learned not to get my hopes up and to generally just ignore anything he says on the subject. I'll scream, fanboy, get excited and all that jazz when he says he's finished. Until then, George says something about TWOW? Meh.
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Post by moiaf on Jan 15, 2017 9:39:39 GMT -5
The other problem I see is that once he finishes TWOW then we'll have to wait an additional six years for ADOS. That's a long time from now. This is why my hopes and enthusiasm have been diminished so much.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 17, 2017 1:25:31 GMT -5
The other problem I see is that once he finishes TWOW then we'll have to wait an additional six years for ADOS. That's a long time from now. This is why my hopes and enthusiasm have been diminished so much. I don't think your wrong that he made a commitment to the fans. Heck he made a commitment to the publisher, of course he has missed the deadline the last two years, but 3 times the charm. I am hoping Winds makes Dream a lot easier. Lots of death and darkness, that's what he said. Winter is the time when things die, he has been saying it for 20 years, and said this will be the dark book and the characters will be in Dark places, with lots of dying. It seems pretty Dark Sansa was at a party with a giant Lemon Cake, we know how she hates both. Mercy seemed to be having a good old time, and Selmy was being all heroic and kicking slaver ass. So yeah scary, oh and in his own words Martin said Tyrion decided he wanted to live again. So umm Tyrion is out of his funk also, to the add to the list of Sad, Dark and Scary. Probably get some dead Dornish meant bags as well. Sorry I mean Dorne is super important, especially House Meat b... Martell. Not sure if I can live without the Tyrells though, because if something happens to Mary and Leonard Tyrell I will be super busted up. Faegon too, I lay awake at night just worrying about him so so much. Oh and Quota, dear lord please don't let anything happen to Quota cause I am so vested in his axe. Battlestar Galactica may die too, oh no, he is of the night, and I don't know if the series will be the same without him. If he can't do it bring my ass on board I'll start dropping the cannon fodder like flies. Probably have to clean up his symbolism a little too. Give me a Starbucks white mocha IV, a 2 cartons of Camel Lights and some frozen dinners, and I'll finish Winds and knock Dream out before the snow is off the ground. Probably have to tweak the ending where our new hero Ser Creighton whoops everyone's ass especially our new Villian the Night's Turtle, who should have kept his broken down candy ass shell off Ser Creighton's god damn driveway so his future wife Deanerys can park her fucking dragon in it. I am telling you right now I will get this shit done.
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Post by Envie on Feb 1, 2017 7:09:32 GMT -5
Not sure if I can live without the Tyrells though, because if something happens to Mary and Leonard Tyrell I will be super busted up. Faegon too, I lay awake at night just worrying about him so so much. Oh and Quota, dear lord please don't let anything happen to Quota cause I am so vested in his axe. Battlestar Galactica may die too, oh no, he is of the night, and I don't know if the series will be the same without him. If he can't do it bring my ass on board I'll start dropping the cannon fodder like flies. Probably have to clean up his symbolism a little too. Took me a bit to unravel this one. Your summaries and write-ups are always a challenge to read but that's the fun part! Everyone already knows my position on the books. I raised a son in the time period it's taken George to write his books so the time perspective is irrelevant to me and feels like it's flown by at dragon speed! I have confidence he's going to finish the books because I think he's already written the end and is just filling in all the middle bits anyways. As for his personal feelings on why he's delayed so long I never try to guess too much because I respect him no matter what. I don't think he's going to pull a Robert Jordan and die before he's gotten his epic saga completed. Besides, having the books to read after the show has concluded will actually be kind of interesting. So much detail in those books we can use to bolster the theories we had while speculating away the months in between HBO seasons and so much MORE detail to cherish and enjoy. Oh and fAegon. Yeah I am with you on worrying about him. I actually LIKE his story in the books and look forward to seeing how that all plays out in the story since he doesn't even exist in the show! Lots of people were glad for that cut but I think his existence gave an added dynamic to the game even if he fails and he most likely does since they cut him from the show.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 1, 2017 16:23:20 GMT -5
I think this locks down no winds this year. You generally don't want to release books that would over shadow what you just released. You never know, but I guess that locks it out for the year. He seems to just want something out there.
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