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Post by moiaf on May 11, 2017 9:06:26 GMT -5
I look at it as the Starks are the "good guys" that everyone wants to root for, but the Targs and Lannisters are the more interesting characters. He's obsessed with writing about historical Targs, and a Lannister is his favorite character. I think the Starks share central to the story of course, but making them all kids probably made them a little tougher for him to write, while Tyrion is older and Dany does not play much like a teen. ThougH I wonder if they were ever really his first love.Jon was never a Stark as far back as the treatment, and Jon is super central t the overall plot. And Dany always had the special. I think his love for the Targs has grown but they were always central to the plot in particular Jon and Dany. He really seems to love their history which is actually loaded with clues about the main plot as well as just being that unique family. Good or bad they were the interesting ones. Funny how he wanted the story to be more grounded in reality and yet he is drawn to the magical powerhouse of the group, the most fantasy characters of the group. Lannisters are nice and complex just the way he likes them. You know what the Starks needed? They needed the bad kid, notice how he is drawn to the most rebellious of the group with Arya? Robb was way to cookie cutter, and while Jon is deliberatly the Ivanhoe of the bunch, Ivanhoe can get a little dull at times. Jon has a nice healthy pinch of Aemon the Dragon Knight in him, and Aemon was a good person and a legend. But Martin by his own admission prefers his Daemon Targarens, the demon. Not because he was evil, or even bad, but Daemon was a rebel, which is why Dany probably has that nice healthy edge to her. Not to say he does not love all his characters but loving a character and loving writing them is a different matter. Some flow, some can be tough and some can be easy but also a little dull for him. Tyrion has an extremely healthy edge to him, he is complex, charismatic, and he has that Darkness to him. You never know he could be a great hero or an amazing villain just depends on your perspective. Arya has the Dark edge to her as well, and if you catch Dany on a bad day you are liable to see how nasty she can get if push comes to shove (Astapor), the wise Masters etc... They may have it coming but man she will deliver the pain if pushed to far. It is interesting how he is drawn to the most magical of the families. I think it's also because there is a lot of range between them from good guys to really bad guys and everything in between. He made the current Starks "too good" (i.e. Ned) and that might get boring for him at times. We were suppose to get the She-Wolves of Winterfell next and that still hasn't been finished. I'd like to read about the darker Starks, the ones that didn't play by the rules. I imagine that Ned's father Rickard was probably a bit more complex and so was his brother Brandon. I was thinking that Fire and Blood, the book, will probably end up being a compendium of all these stories. I hope GRRM gets to finish it.
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Post by sercreighton on May 11, 2017 12:40:31 GMT -5
I think the Starks share central to the story of course, but making them all kids probably made them a little tougher for him to write, while Tyrion is older and Dany does not play much like a teen. ThougH I wonder if they were ever really his first love.Jon was never a Stark as far back as the treatment, and Jon is super central t the overall plot. And Dany always had the special. I think his love for the Targs has grown but they were always central to the plot in particular Jon and Dany. He really seems to love their history which is actually loaded with clues about the main plot as well as just being that unique family. Good or bad they were the interesting ones. Funny how he wanted the story to be more grounded in reality and yet he is drawn to the magical powerhouse of the group, the most fantasy characters of the group. Lannisters are nice and complex just the way he likes them. You know what the Starks needed? They needed the bad kid, notice how he is drawn to the most rebellious of the group with Arya? Robb was way to cookie cutter, and while Jon is deliberatly the Ivanhoe of the bunch, Ivanhoe can get a little dull at times. Jon has a nice healthy pinch of Aemon the Dragon Knight in him, and Aemon was a good person and a legend. But Martin by his own admission prefers his Daemon Targarens, the demon. Not because he was evil, or even bad, but Daemon was a rebel, which is why Dany probably has that nice healthy edge to her. Not to say he does not love all his characters but loving a character and loving writing them is a different matter. Some flow, some can be tough and some can be easy but also a little dull for him. Tyrion has an extremely healthy edge to him, he is complex, charismatic, and he has that Darkness to him. You never know he could be a great hero or an amazing villain just depends on your perspective. Arya has the Dark edge to her as well, and if you catch Dany on a bad day you are liable to see how nasty she can get if push comes to shove (Astapor), the wise Masters etc... They may have it coming but man she will deliver the pain if pushed to far. It is interesting how he is drawn to the most magical of the families. I think it's also because there is a lot of range between them from good guys to really bad guys and everything in between. He made the current Starks "too good" (i.e. Ned) and that might get boring for him at times. We were suppose to get the She-Wolves of Winterfell next and that still hasn't been finished. I'd like to read about the darker Starks, the ones that didn't play by the rules. I imagine that Ned's father Rickard was probably a bit more complex and so was his brother Brandon. I was thinking that Fire and Blood, the book, will probably end up being a compendium of all these stories. I hope GRRM gets to finish it. I would like too know more about Brandon and Rickard but I suspect it gives to much away, and Ned wass soberly good. Boo Hoo I Lied to protect a child's life I am so bad and horrible. Ned needed a big glass of get the fuck over yoursel when it came to Jon. He wass as good dad but really dude stop beating the shit out of yourself over Jon. Fire and Blood, sounds like it's still Targaryen themed and focused. So awesome, hope he gets to it. One thing I recall from Martin is that a while back he said a big part of the story was about a fallen house returning to prominance. Most fans thought this must be the Starksss, except the Starks did not fall out of power till Swords while the core of the story begins with the fall of the Targaryens and the conclusion of Roberts Rebellion which sees the birth of two Targaryen children. For a long time everyone thought it was all about the Starks but it seems very clear these Days that the story is about the Targaryens, the Starks were hidding one of them but he is still Targaryen and bloodline will ultimately be very important to the story. It is was the big mystery, there is a reason so much prominance falls on who is parents are. Of course Dany has a rather large focus on returning her family name to the Iron throne and has clearly risen from nothing to one of the main power players on the planet. I mean we all know the Starks are important but as I am watching the show, Arya, and Sansa have seen there stories sort of fall off, while Brandon clearly has importance in the war for the Dawn, along with Jon and Dany. In the books it may be different for Sansa and Arya, clearly no Sansa Poole story arc. I feel like they will have more to do with the FAegon story, specifically Sansa, as LF and Varys are involved. While Martin loves the Starks this could be a Targaryen story Just like all the other books.
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Post by moiaf on May 11, 2017 12:50:22 GMT -5
It is interesting how he is drawn to the most magical of the families. I think it's also because there is a lot of range between them from good guys to really bad guys and everything in between. He made the current Starks "too good" (i.e. Ned) and that might get boring for him at times. We were suppose to get the She-Wolves of Winterfell next and that still hasn't been finished. I'd like to read about the darker Starks, the ones that didn't play by the rules. I imagine that Ned's father Rickard was probably a bit more complex and so was his brother Brandon. I was thinking that Fire and Blood, the book, will probably end up being a compendium of all these stories. I hope GRRM gets to finish it. I would like too know more about Brandon and Rickard but I suspect it gives to much away, and Ned wass soberly good. Boo Hoo I Lied to protect a child's life I am so bad and horrible. Ned needed a big glass of get the fuck over yoursel when it came to Jon. He wass as good dad but really dude stop beating the shit out of yourself over Jon. Fire and Blood, sounds like it's still Targaryen themed and focused. So awesome, hope he gets to it. One thing I recall from Martin is that a while back he said a big part of the story was about a fallen house returning to prominance. Most fans thought this must be the Starksss, except the Starks did not fall out of power till Swords while the core of the story begins with the fall of the Targaryens and the conclusion of Roberts Rebellion which sees the birth of two Targaryen children. For a long time everyone thought it was all about the Starks but it seems very clear these Days that the story is about the Targaryens, the Starks were hidding one of them but he is still Targaryen and bloodline will ultimately be very important to the story. It is was the big mystery, there is a reason so much prominance falls on who is parents are. Of course Dany has a rather large focus on returning her family name to the Iron throne and has clearly risen from nothing to one of the main power players on the planet. I mean we all know the Starks are important but as I am watching the show, Arya, and Sansa have seen there stories sort of fall off, while Brandon clearly has importance in the war for the Dawn, along with Jon and Dany. In the books it may be different for Sansa and Arya, clearly no Sansa Poole story arc. I feel like they will have more to do with the FAegon story, specifically Sansa, as LF and Varys are involved. While Martin loves the Starks this could be a Targaryen story Just like all the other books.Some people would lose their fucking minds if this ends up being the case. Never mind that Jon is a central character, a lot of people have a skewed vision of the Targaryens. ETA: I sort of answered half-way. I think for sure Fire and Blood is Targaryen themed. It would be cool if it's a history of the Targaryens from the time the left Valyria (after Daenys the Dreamers prophecy) to present day or at least to the end of Robert's Rebellion where the current story sort of picks up.
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Post by moiaf on May 11, 2017 14:14:23 GMT -5
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Post by sercreighton on May 11, 2017 15:55:13 GMT -5
I would like too know more about Brandon and Rickard but I suspect it gives to much away, and Ned wass soberly good. Boo Hoo I Lied to protect a child's life I am so bad and horrible. Ned needed a big glass of get the fuck over yoursel when it came to Jon. He wass as good dad but really dude stop beating the shit out of yourself over Jon. Fire and Blood, sounds like it's still Targaryen themed and focused. So awesome, hope he gets to it. One thing I recall from Martin is that a while back he said a big part of the story was about a fallen house returning to prominance. Most fans thought this must be the Starksss, except the Starks did not fall out of power till Swords while the core of the story begins with the fall of the Targaryens and the conclusion of Roberts Rebellion which sees the birth of two Targaryen children. For a long time everyone thought it was all about the Starks but it seems very clear these Days that the story is about the Targaryens, the Starks were hidding one of them but he is still Targaryen and bloodline will ultimately be very important to the story. It is was the big mystery, there is a reason so much prominance falls on who is parents are. Of course Dany has a rather large focus on returning her family name to the Iron throne and has clearly risen from nothing to one of the main power players on the planet. I mean we all know the Starks are important but as I am watching the show, Arya, and Sansa have seen there stories sort of fall off, while Brandon clearly has importance in the war for the Dawn, along with Jon and Dany. In the books it may be different for Sansa and Arya, clearly no Sansa Poole story arc. I feel like they will have more to do with the FAegon story, specifically Sansa, as LF and Varys are involved. While Martin loves the Starks this could be a Targaryen story Just like all the other books.Some people would lose their fucking minds if this ends up being the case. Never mind that Jon is a central character, a lot of people have a skewed vision of the Targaryens. ETA: I sort of answered half-way. I think for sure Fire and Blood is Targaryen themed. It would be cool if it's a history of the Targaryens from the time the left Valyria (after Daenys the Dreamers prophecy) to present day or at least to the end of Robert's Rebellion where the current story sort of picks up. I hope he gets to it, but honestly if you look at it, I mean there is a lot of Targaryen themes going on here with his books and they just keep coming. I don't want anyone to lose their shit, but Jon is not a Stark he may have been raised by Starks, but not a Stark and it seems obvious where this is going and who it's about at this point. On a side note I am looking at my own post and wondering what "Soberly Good" is? It souldn't be soberly but I have no idea what it was suppose to be either. Weird.
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Post by belle on May 11, 2017 18:18:53 GMT -5
we're never getting fucking TWOW......
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 19:50:43 GMT -5
we're never getting fucking TWOW...... And some people actually believe he'll finish ADoS...
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Post by belle on May 11, 2017 19:55:54 GMT -5
we're never getting fucking TWOW...... And some people actually believe he'll finish ADoS... i never had any genuine hope for ADOS. but i did for TWOW but even thats been bashed to the ground completely now. seriously, he sucks. i know he's not "our bitch"....but if he's given up he should just let fans know.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 19:58:18 GMT -5
And some people actually believe he'll finish ADoS... i never had any genuine hope for ADOS. but i did for TWOW but even thats been bashed to the ground completely now. seriously, he sucks. i know he's not "our bitch"....but if he's given up he should just let fans know. I think we'll get WoW at some point, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon. Hell, the show might even be over before he gets it out. And at that point only hardcore book fans are going to care.
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Post by belle on May 11, 2017 20:05:09 GMT -5
i never had any genuine hope for ADOS. but i did for TWOW but even thats been bashed to the ground completely now. seriously, he sucks. i know he's not "our bitch"....but if he's given up he should just let fans know. I think we'll get WoW at some point, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon. Hell, the show might even be over before he gets it out. And at that point only hardcore book fans are going to care. yeah exactly. i can't see myself caring about TWOW if its gets released in 2020 or something. the end of the show is sooner than it seems. we already pretty much know that TWOW isn't coming out in 2017 because that son of dragon book or w/e is coming out in october. and then from october...its only 9 months till the season 8 premiere. it would probably be most ideal for him to release the book around the season 8 premiere or even a few months after season 8 is finished. but its going to be weird af to be reading the book when its so far behind the show. most likely it is thought that he won't be able to get the book out in 2018 either.
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Post by Basil on May 12, 2017 2:19:04 GMT -5
And some people actually believe he'll finish ADoS... i never had any genuine hope for ADOS. but i did for TWOW but even thats been bashed to the ground completely now. seriously, he sucks. i know he's not "our bitch"....but if he's given up he should just let fans know.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on May 12, 2017 5:49:19 GMT -5
I think we'll get WoW at some point, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon. Hell, the show might even be over before he gets it out. And at that point only hardcore book fans are going to care. I agree. He has put in too much work into TWOW for it to be abandoned. He will get it out maybe next year or so. ADOS is unlikely to see the light of day though. As it is, he wants to move on to other projects as soon as TWOW comes out. He is getting way more money from other TV and movie deals than his book releases ever will.
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Post by mattpeto on May 12, 2017 8:09:52 GMT -5
His contract with HBO is an exclusive one. This means he'll have zero to minimal impact on the adaption. He's been pretty adamant that he's not writing new content until TWOW is complete. Just last week, he was announced as one of the writers for the spin-off series, which I would imagine would start being more involved as a project over the next 6 to 12 months. I'm very optimistic that TWOW is coming soon. Like 2018.
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Post by moiaf on May 12, 2017 8:39:32 GMT -5
His contract with HBO is an exclusive one. This means he'll have zero to minimal impact on the adaption. He's been pretty adamant that he's not writing new content until TWOW is complete. Just last week, he was announced as one of the writers for the spin-off series, which I would imagine would start being more involved as a project over the next 6 to 12 months. I'm very optimistic that TWOW is coming soon. Like 2018. I love your optimism.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 9:39:44 GMT -5
His contract with HBO is an exclusive one. This means he'll have zero to minimal impact on the adaption. He's been pretty adamant that he's not writing new content until TWOW is complete. Just last week, he was announced as one of the writers for the spin-off series, which I would imagine would start being more involved as a project over the next 6 to 12 months. I'm very optimistic that TWOW is coming soon. Like 2018. Well, he hasn't posted any bullshit himself on his blog in 2 and half weeks. Is he busy at a con rn or something? I refuse to get my hopes up over anything
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