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Post by alcasinoroyale on Sept 21, 2016 21:12:05 GMT -5
What do you rate episode 3x01?
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Post by Envie on Sept 29, 2016 14:14:49 GMT -5
Really solid Season opener, kudos and a 9/10 from me. Very little to complain about and the pacing issues of Season 2 are mysteriously gone! I was immediately pulled back into the story and reminded why GoT is so suspenseful and dangerous with this episode. Tons of great setup for an awesome season ahead. I'm looking forward to this one.
I've more to write about later as I took some great notes. There's a couple of really intriguing moments/hints/foreshadowing in this episode I'll probably put in the Discussion thread with a couple of screenshots I snapped to remember stuff I'd completely forgotten. Man when they do foreshadowing it seems so subtle until you go back and do a re-watch and totally forgot it, then it's like a huge hammer to the head moment!
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Post by dje on Sept 29, 2016 19:30:45 GMT -5
I'm kicking off season 3 with a 10/10, excellent setup for the episodes to come, I can't find a single thing wrong with this one, great opening.
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 29, 2016 21:22:17 GMT -5
8/10. It's a great set up episode. I liked the intro of Mance and this scene always holds a special place in my heart.
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Post by konradsmith on Sept 30, 2016 4:45:50 GMT -5
8. I'll write a review after some sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 10:14:45 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I'll try to watch 3x01 & 3x02 over the weekend.
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Post by konradsmith on Sept 30, 2016 17:53:29 GMT -5
Might have to rewatch some of it tbh. I kept falling asleep last night/this morning. Which isn't the ep's. fault, mind you. That's on me.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Sept 30, 2016 23:20:36 GMT -5
I gave it a 9. It's definitely a pretty solid premiere and as Envie said, it brings back some of the elements that were missing in S2. The episode actually has pretty good pacing and transitions. Favorite Line: "You'd better kneel every time I fart" Tormund had an awesome introduction. My favorite scene from the episode is definitely Barristan pledging his service to Dany because it gives you a sense of hope for both characters and it also adds an interesting dynamic since he's from Westeros like Jorah. There really isn't much I didn't like about the episode, I'd say that the cold opening was disappointing because we didn't see any of the Fist of the First Men battle, but I guess I could understand why they wanted to leave it more of mystery until Hardhome. It was cool to see Ghost and Jeor save Sam though.
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Post by Envie on Oct 1, 2016 0:11:50 GMT -5
I gave it a 9. It's definitely a pretty solid premiere and as Envie said, it brings back some of the elements that were missing in S2. The episode actually has pretty good pacing and transitions. Favorite Line: "You'd better kneel every time I fart" Tormund had an awesome introduction. My favorite scene from the episode is definitely Barristan pledging his service to Dany because it gives you a sense of hope for both characters and it also adds an interesting dynamic since he's from Westeros like Jorah. There really isn't much I didn't like about the episode, I'd say that the cold opening was disappointing because we didn't see any of the Fist of the First Men battle, but I guess I could understand why they wanted to leave it more of mystery until Hardhome. It was cool to see Ghost and Jeor save Sam though. Yeah it was the odd way they did the cold open that was my only complaint though I do see how it was done for suspense in returning where we left off with Sam in the previous season finale. The rest of the episode shot off like a freight train though after the cold open so I don't really complain about it. You're right too they are intentionally dragging out the mystery of the white walkers as long as possible and just giving little bits here and there between now and Hardhome. Barristan's joining Dany was one of my favorite moments and I hadn't remembered how cool the special effects for the manticore were until the re-watch. Loved it.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 1, 2016 0:30:59 GMT -5
I gave it a 9. It's definitely a pretty solid premiere and as Envie said, it brings back some of the elements that were missing in S2. The episode actually has pretty good pacing and transitions. Favorite Line: "You'd better kneel every time I fart" Tormund had an awesome introduction. My favorite scene from the episode is definitely Barristan pledging his service to Dany because it gives you a sense of hope for both characters and it also adds an interesting dynamic since he's from Westeros like Jorah. There really isn't much I didn't like about the episode, I'd say that the cold opening was disappointing because we didn't see any of the Fist of the First Men battle, but I guess I could understand why they wanted to leave it more of mystery until Hardhome. It was cool to see Ghost and Jeor save Sam though. Yeah it was the odd way they did the cold open that was my only complaint though I do see how it was done for suspense in returning where we left off with Sam in the previous season finale. The rest of the episode shot off like a freight train though after the cold open so I don't really complain about it. You're right too they are intentionally dragging out the mystery of the white walkers as long as possible and just giving little bits here and there between now and Hardhome. Barristan's joining Dany was one of my favorite moments and I hadn't remembered how cool the special effects for manticore were until the re-watch. Loved it. The noises in the very beginning also felt similar to "Garden of Bones" after Robb and Greywind arrive at the Battle of Oxcross, which achieves the same effect because you don't see either battle play out on screen. Makes sense though since they were saving money for later seasons and battles. In this case, I do think it more or less had to do with trying to slowly build the white walkers as a real threat.
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 1, 2016 6:05:25 GMT -5
8. I'll write a review after some sleep. So yep. Still an eight. A solid premiere. Despite the cheapness of the skip-a-battle-cold-open, we still get a nice sense of momentum and the stakes of the conflict North of the Wall from Mormont's line that takes us into the credits. For the most part it set up the season's arcs very well. From the Tyrion-Tywin conflict, to the Davos-Mel, to Roose's resentment of Robb, to the Jorah-Barry rivalry and the Cersei-Marge, a lot of groundwork is laid here. Not just for s3 but for much to come. Generally the episode uses its time well. Some bits don't work quite as well. The Shae-Ros conversation is an understandable writing choice given their similar backgrounds but falls a bit flat. Generally the focus in s3 around KL intrigue when the only real development there is the Tyrion-Sansa marriage, is a bit stale and this is the kickoff of Tyrion's part in all of that. While his scene with Tywin sets up his stakes in the matter strongly, the Shae-Ros aspect of it is less compelling. Really s3 should've focused its time more on the Robb-Cat material and given them the most screentime and not made up a bunch of material for KL. But what's done is done. The scene with Bronn in the brothel is one of the few LF brothel scenes that I have absolutely no problem with. I mean it is in part just an excuse to show that girl naked (not that I'll complain about that). But it's also a nice character moment for Bronn. We so seldom see him without Tyrion or now Jaime around. So to get him in his element celebrating his knighthood only to be pulled back to work makes for a sort of sympathetic moment. Even if he threatens to kill poor Pod for cockblocking him. Given Tormund's prominence in the show, it now makes much more sense why he was so focused upon in the Mance-intro scene. While Mance was only in something like four or five episodes all told, Tormund's a pretty big deal now. So giving him the focus by taking much of book-Styr's role was in the end a good call. I think they really lucked out with Hivju who gives a lot of humanity and humour to a character but never, at this point while he doesn't trust Jon, loses his sense of threat. Ciarin Hinds is always great to have around too. Mance isn't written anywhere near as fun or dynamic as he is in the books but Hinds is always interesting to watch. Especially the look in his eyes as he tries to figure out Jon. We also get our first look at giants in the show here. And I love how they pull them off purely with prosthetics and greenscreen rather than hemmoraghing money to CGI them. As with the WW and the CotF, the prosthetics really make them feel real and lived-in. I hope Wun Wun isn't the last one we get. Though I imagine the next ones we see will be giant wights. My favourite performances in the episode overall were McElhatton, Dillane and Carice. McElhatton because of the way he plays all the things that Roose isn't saying. Playing the reactions and gestures all of which in hindsight prefigure his betrayal. We don't see him play full-on sinister until ep. 305 when we see him alone with Jaime and Brienne and away from his king. But here its all in his eyes. Stephen Dillane is the king of understated line deliveries. Probably most of all in the episode. I remember Liam Cunningham mentioning his scene in this episode in particular in an interview. He said that when Stannis says, "Heard you were dead," he fully expected Stephen to stand up and turn around or smile at him or something. The script had left him leg-room to play it either way. And he chose to play it coldly, with only the hint of relief. Which is the perfect call. Also while the script has Saan actually saying, "He's a broken man," really the tableaux of him sitting unshaven in his chair, tells us the same perfectly without words. And Carice here plays Mel at probably her most infuriating here and does so with aplomb. She has the power of life or death over Davos here and pretends like she's taking the moral high ground, all the while placing the blame for Stannis's defeat wholly on Davos and putting all of that survivor's guilt on his shoulders. Though Mel is in part gloating at their reversal of fortune, Carice doesn't overplay it. Everything she does is with unblinking poise and stillness. Which is why her s6 performance was so effective to see the break down of that supreme confidence. It took s6 for a good many people to praise her performance. But it required this contrast of her arrogance with her defeat to be as effective as it was. As is often remarked Carice could've been a silent movie actor. She does so much with posture. Compare her in her scene here with her scene when she returns to Castle Black in 510. Just in the way she holds her shoulders and moves, she commands the scene here and seems like a mouse in 510. She also does great things with her voice. Compare her whisper to Davos about the burning men in the water to her broken voice in ep. 602 where again their fortunes have reversed completely. Carice
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 1, 2016 13:47:00 GMT -5
I was going to write a lengthier review, mind you but...you guessed it. Fell asleep.
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 1, 2016 15:33:04 GMT -5
8. I'll write a review after some sleep. So yep. Still an eight. A solid premiere. Despite the cheapness of the skip-a-battle-cold-open, we still get a nice sense of momentum and the stakes of the conflict North of the Wall from Mormont's line that takes us into the credits. For the most part it set up the season's arcs very well. From the Tyrion-Tywin conflict, to the Davos-Mel, to Roose's resentment of Robb, to the Jorah-Barry rivalry and the Cersei-Marge, a lot of groundwork is laid here. Not just for s3 but for much to come. Generally the episode uses its time well. Some bits don't work quite as well. The Shae-Ros conversation is an understandable writing choice given their similar backgrounds but falls a bit flat. Generally the focus in s3 around KL intrigue when the only real development there is the Tyrion-Sansa marriage, is a bit stale and this is the kickoff of Tyrion's part in all of that. While his scene with Tywin sets up his stakes in the matter strongly, the Shae-Ros aspect of it is less compelling. Really s3 should've focused its time more on the Robb-Cat material and given them the most screentime and not made up a bunch of material for KL. But what's done is done. The scene with Bronn in the brothel is one of the few LF brothel scenes that I have absolutely no problem with. I mean it is in part just an excuse to show that girl naked (not that I'll complain about that). But it's also a nice character moment for Bronn. We so seldom see him without Tyrion or now Jaime around. So to get him in his element celebrating his knighthood only to be pulled back to work makes for a sort of sympathetic moment. Even if he threatens to kill poor Pod for cockblocking him. Given Tormund's prominence in the show, it now makes much more sense why he was so focused upon in the Mance-intro scene. While Mance was only in something like four or five episodes all told, Tormund's a pretty big deal now. So giving him the focus by taking much of book-Styr's role was in the end a good call. I think they really lucked out with Hivju who gives a lot of humanity and humour to a character but never, at this point while he doesn't trust Jon, loses his sense of threat. Ciarin Hinds is always great to have around too. Mance isn't written anywhere near as fun or dynamic as he is in the books but Hinds is always interesting to watch. Especially the look in his eyes as he tries to figure out Jon. We also get our first look at giants in the show here. And I love how they pull them off purely with prosthetics and greenscreen rather than hemmoraghing money to CGI them. As with the WW and the CotF, the prosthetics really make them feel real and lived-in. I hope Wun Wun isn't the last one we get. Though I imagine the next ones we see will be giant wights. 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Post by Envie on Oct 1, 2016 15:46:16 GMT -5
Nice writeup as always konradsmith ! I especially appreciate the extra attention to detail you describe about Kristofer's excellent portrayal of Tormund and Carice with her beautiful body language, posture and facial expressions. Over and over again we are reminded of how perfectly on point so many of the actors are and I'm ever so grateful of HBO's superb casting talent. Even though Dillane said in a later interview he never really "got it" about the story or Stannis, he was the perfect Stannis. Maybe not "getting it" is perfectly Stannis too. I really despised Melisandre in that scene with Davos, so it was great acting for both of them. Mel was throwing it in his face and the man just returned from nearly dying and has lost his son. To taunt him with the words she told his son about death by fire being the purest form of death was really wicked. I agree it's here that she reaches her peak of power (and dislike from fans) before starting down the path of descent and failure we'll see her sink to in Season 6 where even with her magical powers displayed (or removed) we are able to see Melisandre as human for once.
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 1, 2016 15:56:30 GMT -5
Nice writeup as always konradsmith ! I especially appreciate the extra attention to detail you describe about Kristofer's excellent portrayal of Tormund and Carice with her beautiful body language, posture and facial expressions. Over and over again we are reminded of how perfectly on point so many of the actors are and I'm ever so grateful of HBO's superb casting talent. Even though Dillane said in a later interview he never really "got it" about the story or Stannis, he was the perfect Stannis. Maybe not "getting it" is perfectly Stannis too. I think that is the case. I don't think Stannis would like GoT or ASOIAF much either, so it fits.
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