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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 19:42:44 GMT -5
I can't imagine how Envie feels after 20 years. Well to be completely fair, I didn't really think about or discuss the books that much until about a year before the show came out when I joined westeros.org and started doing some speculating about ADWD. While yes, I read the books from GoT's first publish onward, I wasn't invested in it the way I am now, not at all. In fact I wasn't even aware A Storm of Swords had even been published at the time it came out because I was so busy with family/career life and living overseas I hadn't paid attention to it at all! I had to go back and do some abridged version re-reading to remember what the hell was going on! Same thing between AFFC and ADWD ... didn't really think about it much and forgot so much. My eldest son was just a toddler when I first read Game of Thrones and now he's a 22 year old adult and reading the books for himself. I basically raised a kid in the time GRRM has taken to write the story so far, haha! That should put things in perspective a bit! I didn't become a fanatic until most of the rest of you did as well, when ADWD was the big thing and hype started to really grow for the books and fan sites were cropping up all over the internet... that's when the real fandom began I think.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 11, 2016 19:43:12 GMT -5
I bet the WW attack Winterfell the exact same day the Starks get reunited I feel like that's such a wish of Bolton fans now that Ramsay, Roose, and Walda are dead, but definitely a possibility. I mean Ramsay warged into his hounds and Roose was poisoned by his enemies and resurrected as a WW.
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Post by breakfest on Oct 11, 2016 19:45:19 GMT -5
More to the point how on earth have they managed to let a fucking paparazzi knob get so close to all these actors? Shoo the fucker away. No, let him take all the pictures. I know we like our spoilers but the bloke's a leech, and I've no idea how they could let him slip through the cracks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 19:47:39 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ).
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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 19:51:07 GMT -5
No, let him take all the pictures. I know we like our spoilers but the bloke's a leech, and I've no idea how they could let him slip through the cracks. For all we know HBO allowed it to help generate some hype for the coming season and to keep fans guessing. They were super top secret last season (because of Jon's resurrection mostly) so we never saw any sort of high quality Pap type photos this early on especially in NI. There were those ones of Arya in the water, that was the most professional ones I remember. These here seem very close and condensed within a specific period of time (costume/makeup prep for the actors) so I doubt HBO would even raise a stink about it.
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 11, 2016 19:54:50 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). Well with LF scheming and the WWs in play, I doubt their reunion will be too pleasant for long. As for Arya I imagine the transition will come from seeing the Hound and Melisandre again. Hearing about Jon and Sansa together in a reclaimed WF would change her priorities. And maybe the Hound could tell her a thing or two about how his worldview's changed regarding revenge to try and salvage her in that respect in ways that its perhaps too late to salvage him.
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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 19:55:55 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). I think they may have had that in the writing plans but changed it after Arya's abrupt about face (haha face get it?! ) last season. The way her story changed (negatively IMO) there towards the middle was weird. It was almost as if they had decided to go an entirely different direction ... so who knows how much the writing has changed between last season and this one. I really do think the decision to cut the season into two 7 episode halves had a lot to do with it. Arya's story is far from over just because she goes home to Winterfell though ... just a guess. As I said in my other post about it, I don't understand why everyone thinks she's so mentally damaged whereas the other three Stark kids have been through hell and back but somehow aren't? The Stark reunion should be like comparing notes on who had the most dysfunctional 'growing up' stage these past 6+ seasons/years (or however long it's been in the ambiguous timeline)...
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 11, 2016 19:58:08 GMT -5
When Jon, Sansa, and Arya ask Bran about what happened to Hodor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 19:59:04 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). Well with LF scheming and the WWs in play, I doubt their reunion will be too pleasant for long. As for Arya I imagine the transition will come from seeing the Hound and Melisandre again. Hearing about Jon and Sansa together in a reclaimed WF would change her priorities. And maybe the Hound could tell her a thing or two about how his worldview's changed regarding revenge to try and salvage her in that respect in ways that its perhaps too late to salvage him. Yeah, that's exactly how I envision Arya's storyline going forward now. And tbh, it doesn't sound bad at all. Scenes with Sandor, Mel and her family have the potential to become some of my favourite Arya scenes since S1. I guess I just really liked the idea of her overcoming her thirst to kill through meeting Cersei again. But I've never been too attached to my wishful thinking. I just need to think about this in order to adjust to the new spoilers.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 11, 2016 20:00:34 GMT -5
It is amazing that the pap got so close. He used a 35mm lens, so you have to get up fairly close for that.
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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 20:00:39 GMT -5
When Jon, Sansa, and Arya ask Bran about what happened to Hodor. Oh Gods I was just thinking about that earlier when I made that "Most dysfunctional" list I was just talking about. Bran witnessed the death of Hodor AND how Hodor became Hodor by his own doing - they've yet to even address how that's messed him up and in fact I'm still somewhat peeved he never even talked about it after the epic escape from the White Walkers. It HAS to be talked about at some point in Season 7 and I imagine it will be part of Bran explaining his powers and all he's seen and done to the others. That's going to be a rough one for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 20:06:22 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). I think they may have had that in the writing plans but changed it after Arya's abrupt about face (haha face get it?! ) last season. The way her story changed (negatively IMO) there towards the middle was weird. It was almost as if they had decided to go an entirely different direction ... so who knows how much the writing has changed between last season and this one. I really do think the decision to cut the season into two 7 episode halves had a lot to do with it. Arya's story is far from over just because she goes home to Winterfell though ... just a guess. As I said in my other post about it, I don't understand why everyone thinks she's so mentally damaged whereas the other three Stark kids have been through hell and back but somehow aren't? The Stark reunion should be like comparing notes on who had the most dysfunctional 'growing up' stage these past 6+ seasons/years (or however long it's been in the ambiguous timeline)... I think Arya has always been a wild card. I don't think people believe she's too mentally damaged, as much as they think that her storyline has been about apathy, nihilism, overcoming pain, losing identity etc. It could have gone either way and before S6 I was really not sure which way it would go. I would have been content with both outcomes tbh. I find her storyline to be one of the richest, thematically. It really interests me. The only thing that I've been hoping for is a smooth transition to whatever place Arya is going next. Unfortunately Arya's storyline was one of the few shortcomings in an otherwise brilliant Season Six. My fear now is that they don't explain Arya's changing motivations in a satisfying manner. That being said, I believe Konrad is right and we'll see how Sandor (and maybe Mel) will give her some new purpose and change her for good.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 11, 2016 20:13:44 GMT -5
Well with LF scheming and the WWs in play, I doubt their reunion will be too pleasant for long. As for Arya I imagine the transition will come from seeing the Hound and Melisandre again. Hearing about Jon and Sansa together in a reclaimed WF would change her priorities. And maybe the Hound could tell her a thing or two about how his worldview's changed regarding revenge to try and salvage her in that respect in ways that its perhaps too late to salvage him. Yeah, that's exactly how I envision Arya's storyline going forward now. And tbh, it doesn't sound bad at all. Scenes with Sandor, Mel and her family have the potential to become some of my favourite Arya scenes since S1. I guess I just really liked the idea of her overcoming her thirst to kill through meeting Cersei again. But I've never been too attached to my wishful thinking. I just need to think about this in order to adjust to the new spoilers. I think something changed from season 6 episode 10 in the writing with the northern story (which is now affecting other plots). The cast were hyping up Jon vs Sansa/LF and it was expected that politics was going to be the main part of the northern story. With Arya and Bran turning up, LF's plans have gone awry. I got the impression that for all that the cast said after ep10, when they got the scripts it felt like they were doing a U-Turn. From the change, it seems that the cast possibly had their own idea's of where the show might be going and then something has thrown them off.
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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 20:14:55 GMT -5
I think they may have had that in the writing plans but changed it after Arya's abrupt about face (haha face get it?! ) last season. The way her story changed (negatively IMO) there towards the middle was weird. It was almost as if they had decided to go an entirely different direction ... so who knows how much the writing has changed between last season and this one. I really do think the decision to cut the season into two 7 episode halves had a lot to do with it. Arya's story is far from over just because she goes home to Winterfell though ... just a guess. As I said in my other post about it, I don't understand why everyone thinks she's so mentally damaged whereas the other three Stark kids have been through hell and back but somehow aren't? The Stark reunion should be like comparing notes on who had the most dysfunctional 'growing up' stage these past 6+ seasons/years (or however long it's been in the ambiguous timeline)... I think Arya has always been a wild card. I don't think people believe she's too mentally damaged, as much as they think that her storyline has been about apathy, nihilism, overcoming pain, losing identity etc. It could have gone either way and before S6 I was really not sure which way it would go. I would have been content with both outcomes tbh. I find her storyline to be one of the richest, thematically. It really interests me. The only thing that I've been hoping for is a smooth transition to whatever place Arya is going next. Unfortunately Arya's storyline was one of the few shortcomings in an otherwise brilliant Season Six. My fear now is that they don't explain Arya's changing motivations in a satisfying manner. That being said, I believe Konrad is right and we'll see how Sandor (and maybe Mel) will give her some new purpose and change her for good. I agree her storyline was a disappointment in season 6 and that could bleed over into Season 7 if they altered it or cut it short. I'd be pretty dissatisfied if they just have her rejoin the Starks and all of the Faceless Man stuff has no meaning after this because it clearly has meaning somewhere (the books) and obviously consequences in who she's growing to become. That's why I don't think her story is over even if she returns to Winterfell early on in the season. And I do hope she'll gain some sort of new resolve/outlook via Sandor or maybe even Gendry but most of all I hope seeing her family again and the hell they've all been through will help her realize she doesn't have to be alone and ruthless anymore.
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Post by Blue Winter Rose on Oct 11, 2016 20:18:43 GMT -5
I think they may have had that in the writing plans but changed it after Arya's abrupt about face (haha face get it?! ) last season. The way her story changed (negatively IMO) there towards the middle was weird. It was almost as if they had decided to go an entirely different direction ... so who knows how much the writing has changed between last season and this one. I really do think the decision to cut the season into two 7 episode halves had a lot to do with it. Arya's story is far from over just because she goes home to Winterfell though ... just a guess. As I said in my other post about it, I don't understand why everyone thinks she's so mentally damaged whereas the other three Stark kids have been through hell and back but somehow aren't? The Stark reunion should be like comparing notes on who had the most dysfunctional 'growing up' stage these past 6+ seasons/years (or however long it's been in the ambiguous timeline)... I think Arya has always been a wild card. I don't think people believe she's too mentally damaged, as much as they think that her storyline has been about apathy, nihilism, overcoming pain, losing identity etc. It could have gone either way and before S6 I was really not sure which way it would go. I would have been content with both outcomes tbh. I find her storyline to be one of the richest, thematically. It really interests me. The only thing that I've been hoping for is a smooth transition to whatever place Arya is going next. Unfortunately Arya's storyline was one of the few shortcomings in an otherwise brilliant Season Six. My fear now is that they don't explain Arya's changing motivations in a satisfying manner. That being said, I believe Konrad is right and we'll see how Sandor (and maybe Mel) will give her some new purpose and change her for good. Arya's reaction to Jon's death. Knowing her home is safe and free again. Sandor living - a miracle he said, and Arya can finally make sense of her feelings regarding Sandor. She can let herself forgive him. Possibly finding Nymeria. All these things are deep emotional key stones d&d can touch on to bring Arya back. Finally, learning about the Others coming and the Long Night from both Mel and Thoros - Arya's new purpose? Surviving and protecting her family/home from the real enemy. D&D already confirmed Jon will face challenges being King. "Selfish and manipulative individuals, men & women..." Jon is not good at seeing danger when it comes to the people around him. I don't think he will have a single more supportive person in his corner than Arya. A human lie detector. I can't imagine what this "high stakes scene" could be about. But it tickles me that LF is in the same room as Arya Stark. I wonder if he remembers her serving him wine at Harrenhal? It feels like a life time ago.
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