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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 13:50:23 GMT -5
If these leaks turned out true, I won't be watching season 8 because it would make the show a load of dog poo. Leaks have made us think this before, only to prove us wrong...
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 14, 2016 13:59:19 GMT -5
If these leaks turned out true, I won't be watching season 8 because it would make the show a load of dog poo. Leaks have made us think this before, only to prove us wrong... If you're saying that leaks tend to sound underwhelming before we see them on screen, I'd say yes. Hardhome being a good example. But until we start seeing major spoilers from Spain, I have yet to believe this reddit guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 14:06:22 GMT -5
Leaks have made us think this before, only to prove us wrong... If you're saying that leaks tend to sound underwhelming before we see them on screen, I'd say yes. Hardhome being a good example. But until we start seeing major spoilers from Spain, I have yet to believe this reddit guy. Yup. And SNOWBOWL. Sometimes the leaks sound awful and end up blowing our minds. Anyway, I won't believe any leaks from Reddit that are in SUCH detail, but... did I misunderstand/misread (sorry I don't follow this thread that closely so I only pick up bits and pieces!) or is it true that Davos/Brienne meet with Dany in... the Dragonpit? Which would mean Cersei must be dead by that point. Perhaps the parade through the streets in KL is the people celebrating Daenerys freeing them from the Lannisters?
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Post by moiaf on Oct 14, 2016 14:07:53 GMT -5
It's too bloody early for leaks. This is the main thing working against them. At this point all Javi knows about the season is information about the planning of the Spain shoot and what some of the scenes there might involve. We've never gotten comprehensive information about an entire season this early probably because there's no one with that much information this early who'd be willing to leak it. Agreed. Also, I don't think many people would be given the scripts for the season, those would be heavily guarded. For someone to have that kind of access they wold have to be pretty high level (Main actors, producers, management) and I don't see why a high level person would divulge that kind of information when they never have. Somebody mentioned that it's also easy to edit in reddit so this person could be steering their leaks according to the spoiler we've received. I don't remember reading anything about Arya returning to Witnerfell, when I read these leaks last week. But I also thought the whole thing was crack so I wasn't paying too much attention.
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Post by Envie on Oct 14, 2016 14:08:10 GMT -5
I continue to laugh at Jon and his crew bringing pregnant Cersei an undead in the dragonpit. Also there is no mention of Brienne or Varys in those leaks. This really does sound like a completely ridiculous plot and is just one of many items in that long list of 'leaks' that sounds pretty far-fetched to me. There's also some reasonable things highlighted by moiaf but almost all of them are things we here could have speculated and pieced together ourselves anyways. Along with what others have said, it's really early before the real bulk of filming has begun for this kind of massive leak. Last season we didn't get that kind of magnitude of leaks until the episodes were being transcribed/translated, right? That's well after production so unless someone got their hands on the entire script (highly unlikely) there's very little way someone would have the entire season's worth of spoilers right now.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 14, 2016 14:12:02 GMT -5
If you're saying that leaks tend to sound underwhelming before we see them on screen, I'd say yes. Hardhome being a good example. But until we start seeing major spoilers from Spain, I have yet to believe this reddit guy. Yup. And SNOWBOWL. Sometimes the leaks sound awful and end up blowing our minds. Anyway, I won't believe any leaks from Reddit that are in SUCH detail, but... did I misunderstand/misread (sorry I don't follow this thread that closely so I only pick up bits and pieces!) or is it true that Davos/Brienne meet with Dany in... the Dragonpit? Which would mean Cersei must be dead by that point. Perhaps the parade through the streets in KL is the people celebrating Daenerys freeing them from the Lannisters? That spoiler about Dany meeting with Brienne and Davos came from WotW, which is pretty reliable. Whether Cersei is alive or not, I'm not sure simply because the initial information we received about the Dragonpit said that it would be an action scene (no battle). However, we don't know how accurate that would be. I'm thinking that the parade is a protest against Cersei, sort of mirroring those who protested against Joffrey in season 2.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 14, 2016 14:19:26 GMT -5
Jon meets Dany at E03.He is summoned by Dany,who wants him to bend the knee,but he refuses.Eventually,with the help of Tyrion,he swears fealty in exchange her help in the war against the WW.Gradually they grow to admire each other and they have sex at the end of episode 7.They will be together for most of the season. Sansa realises she's being played by LF(he tries to set the two sisters against each other) by the end of the season with help from Bran. LF won't survive this.Arya will be the executioner. Both Sansa and Arya will survive. Arya has become a "killing machine". First thing she does this season is kill all the remaining Frey sons. After that she heads towards Winterfell and she encounters Nymeria. She arrives at WF at E04. Dorne will be out of the way in the first couple of episodes. The Wall will fall at the end of the season, while Jon and Dany have sex. Jon won't find out his true parentage this season. Bran and Sam will piece it together though. Dany is going to Dragonstone first. This will happen at the end of E01. I didn't exactly get that, but it seems that the procedure of bringing the wall down will be a big part of the season. Viserion will die at the Night's King hand and be reborn as his mount. Jon's real name is Aegon. He doesn't want people to know that he was resurrected. So he stops Davos from telling Dany. Gendry is at KL making weapons. Davos makes a joke about him "still rowing" when he sees him. Olenna aknowledges that she was behind Joffrey's assassination. Varys doesn't want the throne. He's genuinely acting out of a desire to have a king or queen rule that will look out for the interests of the people of Westeros rather than just their own Beric Dondarrion will be killed by the WW Benjen will make a cameo The "Northern girl" will be Alys Karstark. We'll get a flashback from Rhaegar and Lyanna's wedding. Jorah won't have any scenes at Essos next season. He will be cured at Oldtown by Sam. He reunites with Dany by E05 Bran will cross the Wall during E01.He will arrive at WF by E03. The Lannisters take on the Martells and the Tyrells pretty easily during the first couple of episodes. Jaime turns out to be a great commander. It seems that Dany and co have an unsuccessful siege of KL. Jon needs to provide proof that the Undead are real. So he goes beyond the Wall with the Hound,Beric,Thoros and Tormund to capture one. They succeed but Beric and Viserion die in the process. They bring the undead to KL(they have a temporary truce with the Lannisters) and they show him to Cersei at the Dragonpit. She loses her shit. She agrees to unite their armies against the WW.But at the last moment,she betrays them and doesn't send troops,so that the WW will thin out their forces. Jaime is mad and leaves her. He rides North to join the armies. Cersei is pregnant. Euron's fleet destroys Yara's, kills 2 of the Sand Snakes and captures Ellaria. Theon abandons Yara. The ironborn finally lose all respect for him. He has a small reunion scene with Jon. Jon tells him that he won't kill him because he saved Sansa. Mel has only a few appearances through the season. Dany burns a few rules who didn't bend the knee, including the Tarlys. Tyrion and Varys worry about her turning into a Mad Queen. Tyrion and Jon have a few scenes together. Meera heads back home after she delivers Bran at WF.All colour coded. Blue = Established facts Red = Extremely likely Purple = Highly educated guess Green = Possibility Yellow = Smidgen of a chance Brown = This is season 7 and not fanfic - I'd like to know what they're smoking.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 14, 2016 14:31:21 GMT -5
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Post by breakfest on Oct 14, 2016 14:34:16 GMT -5
Those leaks are utter bollocks.
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Post by Envie on Oct 14, 2016 14:37:01 GMT -5
Mad props to you moiaf for jumping into the hysteria of the WotW comments section. Wading through that mess is like chewing on chalk. At least on reddit the replies sort of cascade in some semblance of order even when they always go OT and into snark-ville. The comment section of WotW drives me bananas, I usually can't read it let alone try to participate in it (never have). People are off the rails with their layers of tinfoil and even Sue the Fury is in there doing damage control.
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Post by Envie on Oct 14, 2016 14:57:09 GMT -5
You know, despite the odd-ball weird plots thrown into that guy's reddit leaks, a lot of it's kind of interesting.
There's one bit I think is very curious and have never considered in speculation before:
Now all weirdness aside about Gilly reading the Maester's journals (how would she have them if she's not allowed in the citadel?), I do find it interesting that there could possibly be official record of Rhaegar's marriage to Lyanna at the Citadel. We've often speculated how the real 'proof' could be handled to legitimize Jon. I'd say written proof in a document at the Citadel would probably do it.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 14, 2016 15:06:44 GMT -5
You know, despite the odd-ball weird plots thrown into that guy's reddit leaks, a lot of it's kind of interesting. There's one bit I think is very curious and have never considered in speculation before: Now all weirdness aside about Gilly reading the Maester's journals (how would she have them if she's not allowed in the citadel?), I do find it interesting that there could possibly be official record of Rhaegar's marriage to Lyanna at the Citadel. We've often speculated how the real 'proof' could be handled to legitimize Jon. I'd say written proof in a document at the Citadel would probably do it. This is a pretty standard belief among those who see the marriage is legitimate. When Sam went to the CItadel last year a lot of them were saying that he would find proof of the marriage there. The annulment seems far fetch, merely because I don't think it something you could keep secret. That would cause a problem with Rhaegar's children born to Elia. Regarding a record of the marriage, I don't know how that would work. If a Septo married them, do they then send a record to the Citadel? Did the Maester who "filed" it away not pay attention to who got married, or was he paid off to not say anything? Gilly can't be in the library so does Sam still a book? I could totally see Sam take a book he thought might be important.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 14, 2016 15:31:47 GMT -5
I expected that there would be some interaction with the north and south as Dany is invading. I think most people thought Dany would start south and head north. Dany may base herself at Dragonstone and send people to gain support from other area's. It sounds like the northern characters might be more involved with the south. This to me sounds like we are going to see a lot more of the characters than normal even though there are less episodes. It just seems that in season 6 the show set up certain logical events and now the show has decided to go in a different direction. I know that the north being in it's own little bubble when the rest of the 7 kingdoms is at war would seem unrealistic, especially with dragons, however it all feels rushed. The more spoilers that are coming out, the more these leaks sound valid.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 14, 2016 16:17:58 GMT -5
If Jon finds out from Bran about his parentage he could go south to Greywater Watch to talk to Holand Reed and have the news confirmed. That's what I think will happen in the books. If these leaks are anything to go by, Jon won't find out his parentage in season 7. He might want to head to Dragonstone to look into getting Dragonglass.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 14, 2016 16:24:32 GMT -5
If Jon finds out from Bran about his parentage he could go south to Greywater Watch to talk to Holand Reed and have the news confirmed. That's what I think will happen in the books. If these leaks are anything to go by, Jon won't find out his parentage in season 7. He might want to head to Dragonstone to look into getting Dragonglass. I don't know how things are going to play out but Bran doesn't necessarily need to meet with Jon in order to reaveal his parentage. Like in the books when Bran communicate with Theon through the Weirwood, he could theoretically do the same with Jon. Not saying that'll happens as it's pretty far fetch. But we still have a lot to figure out.
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