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Post by Envie on Nov 16, 2016 0:53:15 GMT -5
Season 4 Episode 3 - Breaker of Chains Re-Watch Date: Edited/Updated: Saturday, January 14th, 2016.
HBO Viewer's Guide Page: viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-4/episode-3
Runtime: 57 minutes Release date: April 20th, 2014
Tyrion ponders his options. Tywin extends an olive branch. Sam realizes Castle Black isn't safe, and Jon proposes a bold plan. The Hound teaches Arya the way things are. Dany chooses her champion.
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Post by Envie on Jan 15, 2017 17:58:03 GMT -5
Wakey Wakey it's time to re-watch Season 4 episode 3 and Discuss!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 9:51:41 GMT -5
Wakey Wakey it's time to re-watch Season 4 episode 3 and Discuss! Ahh, this is moving way too fast for me. And tomorrow is Wednesday already. I will try to catch up tonight, but I have a hard time watching and commenting on more than one episode each week.
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Post by katjushka on Jan 17, 2017 11:42:11 GMT -5
I watched it but I was sick so I was really tired. And I'm shit at talking about episodes anyway I really like Daario's moves.
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Post by moiaf on Jan 18, 2017 13:13:25 GMT -5
Almost there, just one episode behind. The conversation between Tommen and Tywin is fascinating. Whatever downfalls Tywin has, he was a brilliant man, even if he didn’t follow his own advice. I also think it’s a very telling conversation, the first thing Tommen answered when asked what makes a good king is holiness, then he says a king should be just, and then he says strength, these of course tie in with the Sparrow. Finally he says wisdom to which Tywin nods. He says to Tommen that a good king knows what he knows and knows to seek advice when he doesn’t know and continues to seek advice continuously. In theory Tommen followed this advise but it all sort of backfired. An additional three kings are mentioned (last episode four kings were mentioned). Again we get Baelor the Blessed mentioned (hin, hint), King Oris (?) and Robert Baratheon.
A small parallel between Dany and Jon. Ser Alliser tells Jon that he is a “champion of the common people.” Then at the end of the episode we see Dany arriving in Meereen and speaking to the slaves about freedom, thus being a champion of the common people.
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Post by dje on Jan 18, 2017 13:21:52 GMT -5
I liked this episode, I loved Tywin counseling Tommen, so that he won't become another Joffery. I know the "rape" scene got a lot of flack when it aired, and maybe it's because I've read the books, but I never saw that scene as rape. Also, I like the scene where Tywin brings Oberyn into the fold by agreeing to be the third judge. Solid episode.
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Post by Envie on Jan 18, 2017 20:08:22 GMT -5
I liked this episode, I loved Tywin counseling Tommen, so that he won't become another Joffery. I know the "rape" scene got a lot of flack when it aired, and maybe it's because I've read the books, but I never saw that scene as rape. Also, I like the scene where Tywin brings Oberyn into the fold by agreeing to be the third judge. Solid episode. As terrible as a lot of the sex in the show is already portrayed straight from the books (rape is not new here, I was surprised by the amount of hate that scene received) I too still don't see how Jaime and Cersei's scene (intended rape or not) is worse than what we've witnessed previously with Dothraki raping war captives and Sansa's near escape from rape, etc. It's a topic that happens in the story and I think needs to be talked about instead of treated like some horrible thing used on the show to promote it.. wtf. No. But anyways, this episode had some good moments and not so good ones. It's a little up and down and not one of the most well remembered episodes. My favorite scenes: - Sandor and Arya on the run and the dynamics between them at the farmer's house. - Tywin tracking down Oberyn Martell at the brothel - classic! - Dany's epic attack on Meereen. In this episode we are reminded of two things for the future story: 1. Sansa has known for a long time that Littlefinger was behind Joffrey's death the minute he "rescues" her and kills Dontos. 2. We meet Olly. A kid many will grow to hate even more than Joffrey.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 18, 2017 21:02:20 GMT -5
I am actually on episode 6, but I will jump in on episode 3 tonight. Don't have much, but I will toss it out there.
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Post by Envie on Jan 18, 2017 21:07:17 GMT -5
I am actually on episode 6, but I will jump in on episode 3 tonight. Don't have much, but I will toss it out there. We're watching Episode 4 tonight! Ep. 5 this Saturday, and Ep. 6 next wednesday. I'm just behind on my posts!
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 18, 2017 23:34:10 GMT -5
Okay so not a big fan of this episode mostly it's a transition episode setting the plot for the season and future episodes. I'll just jump right into Jamie and Cersei, not a fan, the scene is going pretty well starting with Tywin, though I had one problem with his talk with Tommen. He does not refer to Robert as Tommen's father doesn't even act like Tommen knew him, thought that was an over site. So enter Jaime and it seems good Jamie walks in the door and seems like he is normal, and is being considerate. Then suddenly loses his shit for no real reason and forces himself on Cersei. Honestly starting with the death of Joff, the directors started trying to add depth to Cersei buy generating empathy for her. Kind of late in the game for that. I never have and never will feel empathy for Cersei. Mostly because you know she is fucking evil and crazy, okay this is person who as a child was more than willing to murder a little girl. Cersei's history reads like a fucking demons resume. I will not mix words it was pure bullshit for Lena. It also served to suddenly turn Jaime into one thing he is not, a rapist, Jaime may be a lot of things but that is just something he is not into. In fact one of the earliest memories we are given of Jaime is him protecting Tyrion from Cersei and protecting a girl from being raped. The title of the episode is named after Dany who is hardly in the episode. Darrio continues to be UnDarrrio by being totally gallant, noble, and courageous. Sure he is a bit cocky but with his plot armor why wouldn't he be. At least he makes sense, kind of a rugged, good looking gallent outside, Dany being attracted to him makes sense. Rather than oh my look at that gold tooth. Gold tooth is a nice little clue in the books but god damn it Daario is a fucking turd in the books. They also set up a parallel between two roses that I have mentioned before using Olyver and Olly, no the show did not run out of names and I have mentioned this before. And here we have Olly The show will use these two to help set up a clue about Jon later in the series. I also think the show made a mistake having Tormund north of the Wall. Wildlings fighting a war against the Crows is one thing, that's pretty much give and take, but Tormund came north and helped butcher a village on Jon's watch. Book Jon would never let that slide, sorry he wouldn't. That is why Martin made sure not to put him North of the Wall. Would of just preferred the Thenn's taking over and Tormund taking off because of it and getting captured. Especially when they start eating people. Olly still would of hated Jon for bringing the Wildlings south that was his big complaint. Anyway that's it, not much else really.
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Post by konradsmith on Jan 19, 2017 2:57:21 GMT -5
Just rewatching the second half of the episode. And I, as always, have to appreciate Oberyn and Tywin's scene and how Oberyn manages to get under Tywin's skin, despite Tywin being the one to interrupt him. "Would you like to sit?" "No thank you." That's just gold.
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Post by konradsmith on Jan 19, 2017 3:05:52 GMT -5
Pod brings Tyrion candles but no means to light them. What is this amateur hour? Still though, this being their last meeting as of now, it reminds me of the emotional potential of their reunion.
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Post by konradsmith on Jan 19, 2017 3:10:17 GMT -5
Harhar, Pod's accent broke when he said "testify". I can hear that Glasgow from a mile away, Daniel. You done fucked up.
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Post by breakfest on Jan 19, 2017 6:06:24 GMT -5
Harhar, Pod's accent broke when he said "testify". I can hear that Glasgow from a mile away, Daniel. You done fucked up. Just looked that up on youtube, never noticed it before. It's even more apparent earlier in the sentence, in the way he says "came t' ask" but his accent is so perfect otherwise I'd not picked up on anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:38:57 GMT -5
I want to be honest: this episode really pissed me off the first time I watched it. However, I've warmed up to it over the years and even though its flaws are still there, they don't drag down the entire episode for me anymore. The episode doesn't flow as well as it could have, but I think it still has a lot of decent individual scenes. What I liked: There are a handful of scenes that stick out because of interesting dialogue and/or good acting (e.g. the scene between Tywin and Tommen). I also really enjoyed the conversations between Arya and the Hound even though nothing much happens in their scenes. They are there for worldbuilding and characterisation, which is great when it doesn't take over the entire episode (there needs to be plot development too!). I also really enjoyed Emilia's performance in this episode. She is amazing when she gets to give a speech in a made up fantasy language. What I disliked: However, the episode is a bit slow between all the Sam/Gilly scenes and the general slow scenes at Dragonstone. Furthermore, I think they should have taken advantage of the fast paced nature of the PW and put more emphasis on the immediate aftermath. I also don't really like Huisman's Daario. Sorry. He is simply not tacky enough. We are not supposed to think he's hot but instead think "Dany gurl, seriously? HIM?" Ed Skrein was perfect in that regard. I don't care that I'm the only one with this opinion. But all of this is not too bad. So what pissed me off? Well, it was indeed the sept scene. First of all, the sexual violence in this show doesn't bother me as much as it bothers other people in the fandom. The show is clearly depicting a violent world and all kinds of horrible stuff happens in every episode. BUT this particular scene really, really bothered me for a couple of reasons: 1. It was clearly not meant to be a rape scene. The immediate aftermath of it (there is no aftermath!) and how this scene is mirrored in 4x10 (when Cersei seduces Jaime) doesn't give off the impression that this was meant to be perceived as rape. But herein lies the problem. I expect D&D and Alex Graves to know what they are doing, to know exactly what the nature of any given scene is they are filming. Depicting a rape scene including two main characters is not something that should be ambiguous. It should be completely clear and it should always have a function in the narrative. This scene doesn't have a function in the narrative whatsoever. It's just there... to be there. But the worst thing is: it was not even deliberate. It was a fuck-up and it had no consequences for the story going forward. 2. It is out of character for Jaime to rape Cersei. Jaime did a bunch of despicable things, but rape is not one of them. He hates rape. That is extremely clear in the books. It is also clear on the show (e.g. his reaction to when Brienne is threatened with rape in S2). They dropped the ball here. That being said, I no longer downgrade this episode just because of this one scene, especially because it is clear that in the show canon, this was not meant to be a rape scene. I just see it as an unfortunate mistake that happened during the production of this episode. I largely ignore that it happened. So despite all of this, this episode still gets a 7 from me for the overall entertainment factor and good acting.
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