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Post by Basil on Jan 9, 2017 17:45:19 GMT -5
This is what can happen if you cast a non-singer in a role that requires extensive and classical vocal training: Gerard Butler as the Phantom of the Opera, ladies and gentlemen. "What raging fire shall flood the soul, what rich desire unlocks its door, what sweet seduction lies before us." That part normally has me melting, but when Gerard Butler sings it, I just want to cry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:49:04 GMT -5
This is what can happen if you cast a non-singer in a role that requires extensive and classical vocal training: Gerard Butler as the Phantom of the Opera, ladies and gentlemen. "What raging fire shall flood the soul, what rich desire unlocks its door, what sweet seduction lies before us." That part normally has me melting, but when Gerard Butler sings it, I just want to cry. That entire movie was a tragedy.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 9, 2017 18:08:48 GMT -5
That's kinda funny given your avatar, because Radcliffe who I think is a talented young man can't sing or dance and was given the lead in In how to succeed in business. Now it's charming musical and charm plays to his strength, and their is nothing terribly complicated about the dancing or numbers. You can teach someone the basics of a routine, Debbie Renolds. But he can't sing, his voice is thin pitchy and he can't project. When it came to just acting he was good I would not say great, and he could not sing. And they worked to cover for him a lot. Like Debbie could not dance though she had a great partner to carry her in the dancing, but she could belt. You can't teach a complex routine to just anyone and there was nothing complex about the Dancing, but he can't sing, sorry. That is not a Broadway voice, you don't here people on Broadway going we need a lead singer for a musical, make sure he is a pitchy, thin voiced tenor who can't project. To be honest he is the only reason to have seen that show, but not because of his singing, it's a dated musical that's been done better before. Radcliff's name put butts in seats. And it looked like he had fun and I think he probably worked his ass off. That does not change his voice. I think they were kind when they said his singing was sort of passable. For local theater sure, but it's Broadway and they were nice to the very charming star, while they were trying to pull in the youth market. He was clearly better in the Dance routines, but again you can teach an non overly complex routine. That is where I would say he was passable, but that voice really? You hear that and go wow that's a lead Broadway singer. You got 4 octave belters out there who have to fight for parts and he got handed that role because of his name and his connection to youth. If he was a nobody at an open audition do you think he would ever be allowed to sing in a Broadway musical, let alone the lead. Come on? I won't argue that Daniel Radcliffe is a great singer, because obviously he's not, but I think he's still a totally acceptable tenor and he did a pretty amazing job with the dance numbers. I'd argue that Radcliffe's vocal flaws, semi-competence and overeagerness just happened to fit the character pretty well. Not every role requires classically trained singers, Finch is one of those roles, in my opinion. If he had been cast in some vocally damanding role like Phantom or Sweeney Todd, then I'd absolutely agree with you, but he was cast in a funny role that benefits much more from an actor's charisma and comedic timing than his vocal talents, and I think Radcliffe absolutely succeeded at that. True, he probably wouldn't have been cast if it wasn't for his Harry Potter fame, but he worked his ass off and despite being a medicore (but still totally servicable) singer, he didn't do a bad job at all. I'n not saying miscasts don't happen on Broadway, but I don't think totally incompetent singers and dancers would get cast in roles that require competent singing and dancing. Radcliffe in How To Succeed in Business wasn't incredible, but he was adequate. The statement about Broadway was not just about musicals, a lot of times we have seen actors come over and jump into Broadway some good, some bad. I used Radcliffe as an example because that happened to be your avatar, and well the voice. I think it was a good role for him all things considered. I would not pay to see How to succeed unless someone like Radcliffe was in it, because there is just no reason to see it. I already have seen it. Anyway a lot of the reason some of them get parts, is not because they are amazing a lot of the time, Jackman's and Patinkin's aside they get parts because they want to do something different, and this allows theaters to jack up the ticket price on something like How to succeed. Those two were known theater commodities before movies, that's why I put them aside. It's funny but sometimes they just need some press, it's not every year you have a Hamilton or a Wicked breakout where the entire country wants to see it. China Doll and Misery, Paccino and Willis, boy thank god for advanced ticket sales. Phantom, Jersey Boys, Wicked, they will put buts in seats, Book of Mormons and Hamilton do not need big names, the later two are sort of freaks, they are that kind of good. Where you could sell the other 3 with some solid Broadway talent probably want to put a name in their given how long they have been running. And some just need big names to put butts in seats and fill theaters and a lot of times that is where Hollywood stars come in. Roberts on Broadway, not a good idea, but no worse than James Franco in "Of mice and men." Please don't think I would put Radcliffe in either of those disasters or think that is the kind of performance he gave or critical review he received. Actually I might put him in something like "Of mice or men." But that is in his wheel house. Jeremy Piven, remember that? What I was basically saying with La La Land is they were looking more for names there than people who were right for the roles. It reminded me more of Broadway, not because Hollywood does not do this all the time, but the nature of the movie itself. And yes I have blocked out Les Miserables, and I never wanted to see it as a movie to begin with, and I have not seen it, Russell Crowe was a whole new special kind of torture that I chose to avoid until I saw him perform accidentally during the Oscars. My bad, and I stayed and watched, my own fault. I know Hollywood does this all the time, but something about La La Land made me feel more like when Broadway does it. It feels more like Broadway even though it is a movie. And they cast big names to help put butts in seats because they couldn't get it made without them. 8 years in the works right?
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 9, 2017 18:28:01 GMT -5
This is what can happen if you cast a non-singer in a role that requires extensive and classical vocal training: Gerard Butler as the Phantom of the Opera, ladies and gentlemen. "What raging fire shall flood the soul, what rich desire unlocks its door, what sweet seduction lies before us." That part normally has me melting, but when Gerard Butler sings it, I just want to cry. Well technically Butler is not singing, he is screaming at you very, very angrily. "THIS IS OPERA!!!!!"
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Post by Basil on Jan 9, 2017 18:58:20 GMT -5
The statement about Broadway was not just about musicals, a lot of times we have seen actors come over and jump into Broadway some good, some bad. I used Radcliffe as an example because that happened to be your avatar, and well the voice. I think it was a good role for him all things considered. I would not pay to see How to succeed unless someone like Radcliffe was in it, because there is just no reason to see it. I already have seen it. Anyway a lot of the reason some of them get parts, is not because they are amazing a lot of the time, Jackman's and Patinkin's aside they get parts because they want to do something different, and this allows theaters to jack up the ticket price on something like How to succeed. Those two were known theater commodities before movies, that's why I put them aside. It's funny but sometimes they just need some press, it's not every year you have a Hamilton or a Wicked breakout where the entire country wants to see it. China Doll and Misery, Paccino and Willis, boy thank god for advanced ticket sales. Phantom, Jersey Boys, Wicked, they will put buts in seats, Book of Mormons and Hamilton do not need big names, the later two are sort of freaks, they are that kind of good. Where you could sell the other 3 with some solid Broadway talent probably want to put a name in their given how long they have been running. And some just need big names to put butts in seats and fill theaters and a lot of times that is where Hollywood stars come in. Roberts on Broadway, not a good idea, but no worse than James Franco in "Of mice and men." Please don't think I would put Radcliffe in either of those disasters or think that is the kind of performance he gave or critical review he received. Actually I might put him in something like "Of mice or men." But that is in his wheel house. Jeremy Piven, remember that? What I was basically saying with La La Land is they were looking more for names there than people who were right for the roles. It reminded me more of Broadway, not because Hollywood does not do this all the time, but the nature of the movie itself. And yes I have blocked out Les Miserables, and I never wanted to see it as a movie to begin with, and I have not seen it, Russell Crowe was a whole new special kind of torture that I chose to avoid until I saw him perform accidentally during the Oscars. My bad, and I stayed and watched, my own fault. I know Hollywood does this all the time, but something about La La Land made me feel more like when Broadway does it. It feels more like Broadway even though it is a movie. And they cast big names to help put butts in seats because they couldn't get it made without them. 8 years in the works right? Look, all I was trying to say was, even if big name Hollywood actors get cast in a Broadway stage musical, it's still people who are at the very least moderately talented singers or dancers, at least as far as it is required for the role they're playing. And often, they make up for weak vocals with strong acting and charisma, so I don't see this as a problem at all. There is just no way in hell a deeply untalented singer like Gerard Butler would ever be cast to play the Phantom on Broadway, the mere thought of it is absurd. Maybe stuff like that happens sometimes in smaller, less popular productions, to sell more tickets, I don't know. But you go to see Wicked, Les Mis, Phantom ... you know that you're gonna see actors who know what they're doing. I'm into musicals, but I don't really care about traditional stage plays, so I can't say anything about that.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 9, 2017 19:25:25 GMT -5
The statement about Broadway was not just about musicals, a lot of times we have seen actors come over and jump into Broadway some good, some bad. I used Radcliffe as an example because that happened to be your avatar, and well the voice. I think it was a good role for him all things considered. I would not pay to see How to succeed unless someone like Radcliffe was in it, because there is just no reason to see it. I already have seen it. Anyway a lot of the reason some of them get parts, is not because they are amazing a lot of the time, Jackman's and Patinkin's aside they get parts because they want to do something different, and this allows theaters to jack up the ticket price on something like How to succeed. Those two were known theater commodities before movies, that's why I put them aside. It's funny but sometimes they just need some press, it's not every year you have a Hamilton or a Wicked breakout where the entire country wants to see it. China Doll and Misery, Paccino and Willis, boy thank god for advanced ticket sales. Phantom, Jersey Boys, Wicked, they will put buts in seats, Book of Mormons and Hamilton do not need big names, the later two are sort of freaks, they are that kind of good. Where you could sell the other 3 with some solid Broadway talent probably want to put a name in their given how long they have been running. And some just need big names to put butts in seats and fill theaters and a lot of times that is where Hollywood stars come in. Roberts on Broadway, not a good idea, but no worse than James Franco in "Of mice and men." Please don't think I would put Radcliffe in either of those disasters or think that is the kind of performance he gave or critical review he received. Actually I might put him in something like "Of mice or men." But that is in his wheel house. Jeremy Piven, remember that? What I was basically saying with La La Land is they were looking more for names there than people who were right for the roles. It reminded me more of Broadway, not because Hollywood does not do this all the time, but the nature of the movie itself. And yes I have blocked out Les Miserables, and I never wanted to see it as a movie to begin with, and I have not seen it, Russell Crowe was a whole new special kind of torture that I chose to avoid until I saw him perform accidentally during the Oscars. My bad, and I stayed and watched, my own fault. I know Hollywood does this all the time, but something about La La Land made me feel more like when Broadway does it. It feels more like Broadway even though it is a movie. And they cast big names to help put butts in seats because they couldn't get it made without them. 8 years in the works right? Look, all I was trying to say was, even if big name Hollywood actors get cast in a Broadway stage musical, it's still people who are at the very least moderately talented singers or dancers, at least as far as it is required for the role they're playing. And often, they make up for weak vocals with strong acting and charisma, so I don't see this as a problem at all. There is just no way in hell a deeply untalented singer like Gerard Butler would ever be cast to play the Phantom on Broadway, the mere thought of it is absurd. Maybe stuff like that happens sometimes in smaller, less popular productions, to sell more tickets, I don't know. But you go to see Wicked, Les Mis, Phantom ... you know that you're gonna see actors who know what they're doing. I'm into musicals, but I don't really care about traditional stage plays, so I can't say anything about that. Nobody can explain that, what you should be wondering is how they actually knew what singing was? I mean Rossum can sing legit, so they new what singing was, and what it sounded like. I like theater in general, it's fun, it's enjoyable. A play, a show, stand up, a musical, the Ballet it does not matter to me. You know you got TV and movies, and at home theaters, and I love mixing the theater in there. It's refreshing it's a change pace, lots of great energy, it's a different feel it's nice. I think everyone should try it, generally I think people will find something they like. You like musicals, I like the works, someone might like Blue Man or a Cirque show. Always good to try new things. Except Lobster, giant under water bugs, nature put these monsters at the bottom of the ocean, armed them with giant claws, and armored them. We are not suppose to eat them. Has nothing to do with the theater, but someone is trying to convince me to get it for dinner right now. Not happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 21:50:17 GMT -5
I don't pretend to know much about dresses. I ain't no Joan Rivers. They're all just wrapping paper to me. But when you get them glimpses of leg and side and arm like that, she could be in a paper bag and I'd be sated. Leg, okay. Side. Ummm her side is doing it for you? Arm? I am thinking intervention here, she is starting move from lovely girl to what sounds a bit like dinner. Even got her in a little lunch bag.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 3:42:14 GMT -5
Did she polish off that big ass bottle of Moet all by herself?
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the Oscars this year are cancelled.
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Post by moiaf on Jan 24, 2017 10:37:16 GMT -5
the Oscars this year are cancelled. Amy Adams was fucking ROBBED again! She could have been nominated for two movies and what do they do? They give Meryl Streep another nomination. WTF.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 10:39:35 GMT -5
the Oscars this year are cancelled. Amy Adams was fucking ROBBED again! She could have been nominated for two movies and what do they do? They give Meryl Streep another nomination. WTF. Are you saying Meryl Streep is ... overrated?
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Post by moiaf on Jan 24, 2017 10:50:55 GMT -5
Amy Adams was fucking ROBBED again! She could have been nominated for two movies and what do they do? They give Meryl Streep another nomination. WTF. Are you saying Meryl Streep is ... overrated? She is an excellent actress but she did not need another nomination. I didn't watch the movie but I didn't hear any talk of her performance being extraordinary or particularly special, which I did hear about Amy Adams.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 10:56:51 GMT -5
the Oscars this year are cancelled. Amy Adams was fucking ROBBED again! She could have been nominated for two movies and what do they do? They give Meryl Streep another nomination. WTF. Yes. this one really hurts
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