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Post by Basil on May 4, 2017 6:57:02 GMT -5
I think Kilgrave being a pathetic person was kind of the point of his character. Of course he was a huge threat, but not because he himself was an intimidating presence or physically strong, but because he had these ridiculously strong mind control powers. And it is because he had those powers that he became the pathetic man child that we see in the show.
I loved every second of Jessica Jones.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:04:04 GMT -5
I think Kilgrave being a pathetic person was kind of the point of his character. Of course he was a huge threat, but not because he himself was an intimidating presence or physically strong, but because he had these ridiculously strong mind control powers. And it is because he had those powers that he became the pathetic man child that we see in the show. I loved every second of Jessica Jones. The show wanted us to be scared of him. They made that clear with the first episode and with Jessica's PTSD throughout the entire season. As I already said in my last post, I'm aware that him being a pathetic person is the point of the character. But they wanted him to be pathetic and scary at the same time, which is difficult to write and in this case didn't work out for me personally. To me he came across as unintentionally funny and annoying. There were moments that worked, where he got to use his powers, but all in all it was inconsistent. Joffrey is not an intimidating presence or physically strong person either. He doesn't even have mind control powers. And still he was a lot scarier than Kilgrave ever was.
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Post by Basil on May 4, 2017 7:57:40 GMT -5
I think Kilgrave being a pathetic person was kind of the point of his character. Of course he was a huge threat, but not because he himself was an intimidating presence or physically strong, but because he had these ridiculously strong mind control powers. And it is because he had those powers that he became the pathetic man child that we see in the show. I loved every second of Jessica Jones. The show wanted us to be scared of him. They made that clear with the first episode and with Jessica's PTSD throughout the entire season. As I already said in my last post, I'm aware that him being a pathetic person is the point of the character. But they wanted him to be pathetic and scary at the same time, which is difficult to write and in this case didn't work out for me personally. To me he came across as unintentionally funny and annoying. There were moments that worked, where he got to use his powers, but all in all it was inconsistent. Joffrey is not an intimidating presence or physically strong person either. He doesn't even have mind control powers. And still he was a lot scarier than Kilgrave ever was. I think they wanted us to be scared of Kilgrave for the first few episodes, when he was still an enigma, before we knew what kind of a person he really was. And at that point, it totally worked. But then when they started to show him more, it became apparent that he was just an awful little man. From that point on they never tried to make him seem scary, merely extremely dangerous. Jessica was not afraid of him as much as she was afraid of the things he could make her do, she suffered from PTSD because of the things he made her do. I've never really thought of Joffrey as scary either. All the times they showed how incompetent and how much of a coward he was, every time he got bitch slapped, it was not to make us feel scared of him, but to make a point of just how pathetic he really was. Ramsay on the other hand, that's a scary villain ... because as opposed to Joffrey, he is not only a sadist, but he is also not a coward and actually capable.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 8:28:57 GMT -5
The show wanted us to be scared of him. They made that clear with the first episode and with Jessica's PTSD throughout the entire season. As I already said in my last post, I'm aware that him being a pathetic person is the point of the character. But they wanted him to be pathetic and scary at the same time, which is difficult to write and in this case didn't work out for me personally. To me he came across as unintentionally funny and annoying. There were moments that worked, where he got to use his powers, but all in all it was inconsistent. Joffrey is not an intimidating presence or physically strong person either. He doesn't even have mind control powers. And still he was a lot scarier than Kilgrave ever was. I think they wanted us to be scared of Kilgrave for the first few episodes, when he was still an enigma, before we knew what kind of a person he really was. And at that point, it totally worked. But then when they started to show him more, it became apparent that he was just an awful little man. From that point on they never tried to make him seem scary, merely extremely dangerous. Jessica was not afraid of him as much as she was afraid of the things he could make her do, she suffered from PTSD because of the things he made her do. I've never really thought of Joffrey as scary either. All the times they showed how incompetent and how much of a coward he was, every time he got bitch slapped, it was not to make us feel scared of him, but to make a point of just how pathetic he really was. Ramsay on the other hand, that's a scary villain ... because as opposed to Joffrey, he is not only a sadist, but he is also not a coward and actually capable. They showed both sides. The bitch-slapping was there to show his pathetic side. But then they always reminded us of his cruelty and bullying. When I say "scary", I don't mean scary like a horror movie villain. I mean scary as in "he is a psychopath and a threat to the characters we love". Joffrey was the type of villain who would get bitch-slapped in one episode and then execute Ned Stark in the next one. Underestimating him is part of that. The ending to 3x06 is another example. Or his reaction to Cersei slapping him. Or that moment in 3x08 at the wedding. Even in his very last episode, people were visibly scared to disagree with him when he was playing his games with Tyrion. And that transferred to me as a viewer. I compare Joffrey to Kilgrave because both are supposed to be pathetic and a terrible threat at the same time. I'm not sure why you mentioned Ramsay. I never claimed that Joffrey or Kilgrave were that type of villain. With regard to Kilgrave: well duh, of course Jessica has PTSD because of the things he made her do. A villain is a villain because of what he does to the hero / the decent people in the story. When I say "afraid of Kilgrave" I obviously mean afraid of what he could do. What else should people be afraid of? I never said that he was scary because of his looks or his presence. He is not that type of villain as you rightfully said. Which is totally fine if you can still make your villain come across as a genuine threat (in this case it's his powers that were supposed to convey that). But it didn't work for me. He talked more than he actually did anything. That's the point I was making. They said he was dangerous (and thus "scary"), but they never really showed it in a way that affected me as a viewer. Quite frankly, Kilgrave as a character bored me. They overused him and made him too talkative. It's fine to show him as a pathetic little man. But pathetic little men can be incredibly scary too. Sometimes they are the scariest. I have no doubt that that's what they wanted to show, but it simply didn't work for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 9:23:28 GMT -5
How rude!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 10:40:59 GMT -5
I thought that forcing people to do what you want by simply telling them was pretty scary. It's just the whole David-Tennant-ness that makes him less intimidating than he should be.
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Post by breakfest on May 4, 2017 11:23:23 GMT -5
Jessica Jones was the only one of these I was even vaguely interested in watching, since it seemed different to the usual brooding male anti-hero schtick we're inundated with at the moment. I was surprised at how good it was, they mostly dealt with a sensitive subject with some flair. Most of the key relationships were interesting and nuanced. Tennant was great afaic. The character was already threatening enough as written, playing the kind of charming joviality that hides the ugly insecurity within was really effective for me.
It did kind of fall apart towards the end though (not the actual ending, which was good), shoe-horning some grating side-characters into the main action in really ill-fitting ways. It probably has the worst single episode of an otherwise good season of TV, which is the one after Kilgrave escapes the makeshift prison. Otherwise it was a pretty ambitious success, I'd say. Though not one that gave me any enthusiasm for the other series.
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Post by day dreamer on May 5, 2017 14:59:12 GMT -5
I started Iron Fist and I'm not sure if I like it more than JJ or not. It's not great.
I agree with @kairos in that the only thing I really liked about JJ was the social commentary about rape. That never gets touched up on so I like that they included it, but the show failed in so many other places. The fighting was terrible, especially coming off of a show as sophisticated choreography wise as Daredevil. The acting, especially from the supporting cast was poor and the story dragged far too long. It should've only been 8-10 episodes.
I really like Krysten Ritter. She's a limited actress but I've always enjoyed her and I think I got my expectations way to high for JJ before watching.
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2017 14:33:10 GMT -5
Still trying to finish The Iron Fist. The only thing I really like about it is Danny and Colleen's relationship. I think they have good chemistry.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 5, 2017 0:12:30 GMT -5
Update: I finally finished Iron First and omfg they need a new showrunner for their 2nd season because lawd that had problems.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 22, 2017 17:02:12 GMT -5
I like Daredevil but I didn't get into JJ and haven't watch Luke Cage or Iron Fist. Although this has potential so I'll probably watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 7:18:41 GMT -5
I hope you don't have to watch Iron Fist to understand what goes on in this. I couldn't make it past episode 3.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 23, 2017 17:17:33 GMT -5
I hope you don't have to watch Iron Fist to understand what goes on in this. I couldn't make it past episode 3. i doubt there was anything important in there to watching them as a group.
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