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Post by Envie on Mar 19, 2017 7:38:27 GMT -5
I'm not at all convinced that we're actually going to get a proper Rhaegar and Lyanna flashback.. I really hope we do though and it will be one of my most anticipated moments of the whole show Oh I hear you, and I am not going to go into this expecting it, but rather, hoping for it and of course disappointed if they don't actually do it. It's entirely possible they skip it in favor of just revealing info from the Citadel via Sam. Maybe they'd even keep it for a Season 8 thing to intensify the finale and coming full circle in Jon Snow's life. I think now that I've actually thought about it some more... I'd rank my three most anticipated moments like this if they do skip the Lyanna/Rhaegar flashback: 1. Jon and Dany meeting 2. Arya's return (or meeting Nymeria) 3. Stark Reunion
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Post by katjushka on Mar 19, 2017 8:00:24 GMT -5
They must know that there's a lot of anticipation and pressure on them to do the flashback though.. We need it. We need him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:25:55 GMT -5
Rhaegar better be the best looking actor possible because Rhaegar has some reputation to go by. He makes Jaime look an ordinary Joe. Once the season is over, people are going to come back to this thread and laugh and laugh about why some of you somehow thought the wight hunt would be silly. It's basically going to be Hardhome except with way more characters we care about and fucking dragons showing up to fight he WW's. How can you not be excited about that? It's going to be the centrepiece of the whole season and provide a good half episode worth of unbelievable tension and insane action. I still don't understand why people are so bent out of shape over the logistics. It's going to be established that they know they'll need Cersei and Jaime onside in order to properly defend against the Walkers. There is no way they will ever be convinced of even considering helping unless they're given some form of visual proof of this threat. It's a very logical step to put together a mission to get this proof. As conceived, I'm sure it will be planned as more of a stealth mission to find a wight or two and get out but it will go bad (like Hardhome) and turn into a meeting of the full WW force. Dany finally getting to see what she's up against and losing one of her babies in the process should be one of many great emotional beats (The Hound running into an army who can only be defeated by fire, Beric and Thoros presumably getting heroic deaths, Gendry having to abandon them to escape, Jon being left alone before being saved by fucking Benjen, Benjen sacrificing himself, Viserion getting tragically resurrected as NK mount etc). Basically, it's Jon and Tormund getting to show all these characters just how fucked they all are, to get their own Hardhome moments. I'm looking forward to character reunions and interactions too, those are important. But come on. This is going to be the shit. You gotta give it to them. Cersei is not someone to be trusted (she will fool them) and their naitivety will cost them a dragon. At lest that's how many people will look at it and mainly Dany and Jon will get a huge amount of criticism. Basically, it's kind of poetic that three possibly most important characters for the war Bran, Dany and Jon helped NK to get past the Wall. It goes well with theme of George's books. I can see him pulling this off by making some stupid decisions from our heroes contributing to this invasion. I appreciate potential conversations, it's basically bunch of misfits two bastards, deserters and religious people, exiled and disgraced knight, wildling leader (considered savages) and someone who served Lannisters and has a lot of blood on his hands. From cinematographic point of view it will look good as always - but some beats are a bit overused. But it is what it is. I've seen people blindly hated on it for the sake of hating but while I do have doubts over some things. I'm willing to give it a shot and enjoy for what it is.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 20, 2017 9:03:40 GMT -5
Once the season is over, people are going to come back to this thread and laugh and laugh about why some of you somehow thought the wight hunt would be silly. It's basically going to be Hardhome except with way more characters we care about and fucking dragons showing up to fight he WW's. How can you not be excited about that? It's going to be the centrepiece of the whole season and provide a good half episode worth of unbelievable tension and insane action. I still don't understand why people are so bent out of shape over the logistics. It's going to be established that they know they'll need Cersei and Jaime onside in order to properly defend against the Walkers. There is no way they will ever be convinced of even considering helping unless they're given some form of visual proof of this threat. It's a very logical step to put together a mission to get this proof. As conceived, I'm sure it will be planned as more of a stealth mission to find a wight or two and get out but it will go bad (like Hardhome) and turn into a meeting of the full WW force. Dany finally getting to see what she's up against and losing one of her babies in the process should be one of many great emotional beats (The Hound running into an army who can only be defeated by fire, Beric and Thoros presumably getting heroic deaths, Gendry having to abandon them to escape, Jon being left alone before being saved by fucking Benjen, Benjen sacrificing himself, Viserion getting tragically resurrected as NK mount etc). Basically, it's Jon and Tormund getting to show all these characters just how fucked they all are, to get their own Hardhome moments. I'm looking forward to character reunions and interactions too, those are important. But come on. This is going to be the shit. King Tommen doesn't speak much, but Holy shit he remarks. Hype level has exploded. We need more of this.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 20, 2017 11:55:26 GMT -5
i agree with King Tommen . i'll bet the wight hunt will be conceived as a stealth, grab-and-go mission that will inevitably get out of hand. dany seeing the white walkers should be a huge emotional moment that would make her rethink things ("is the Iron Throne really worth it?"). It will be a huge moment for the series, I can feel it. Does anyone know if the leaks mentioned the specifics, because I forget. Does Dany go with them from the beginning, or does she show up and make a daring rescue towards the end?
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Mar 20, 2017 12:03:30 GMT -5
I want to believe in the wight hunt, but until I see it, I can't picture it. I know that sounds bizarre, but really on paper it can come across as an incredibly bad idea. I hope for more, I want it to be big and Hardhome v2 but at this moment it seems like such a waste of a dragon and manpower.
Also, now that we've gotten the word our 3 flying lizards will be the size of 747 jets, how is the Night King going to bring Viserion down?
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 20, 2017 12:09:28 GMT -5
I want to believe in the wight hunt, but until I see it, I can't picture it. I know that sounds bizarre, but really on paper it can come across as an incredibly bad idea. I hope for more, I want it to be big and Hardhome v2 but at this moment it seems like such a waste of a dragon and manpower. Also, now that we've gotten the word our 3 flying lizards will be the size of 747 jets, how is the Night King going to bring Viserion down? i read that the Night King throws an ice spear thru his eye. i think, on paper, it sounds pretty ill-advised, but who knows what the plan is? By that I mean, we know what does happen. But we don't know what they planned on happening. Maybe Jon and co. had a pretty smart plan to sneak by the Wall, grab a wight, and get the hell out of there. But something happened. Shit hit the fan. There were complications. Jon's heroic natured outweighed the pragmatism of the plan. Maybe someone needed to be saved? I think we won't quite get it until we see it on screen, or get lots of new info.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Mar 20, 2017 15:29:40 GMT -5
Also, now that we've gotten the word our 3 flying lizards will be the size of 747 jets, how is the Night King going to bring Viserion down? Idt the 747 remark should be taken literally. Jack Bender said the same thing about Drogon in s6.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:38:48 GMT -5
I have a much bigger issue with Bronn bringing down a dragon than the NK.
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Post by konradsmith on Mar 20, 2017 16:11:21 GMT -5
I have a much bigger issue with Bronn bringing down a dragon than the NK. In Bronn's case he's using something like this or probably even like this. So with a significant enough bolt and decent maneuverability, he could certainly get the shot. Drogon will have to be flying low and slowly enough to torch soldiers after all. And he's more temporarily than totally incapacitated by it, it sounds like. He's still in good enough shape to do some more roasting. As for Viserion my guess is he'll be more near the ground. And them WW ice weapons are sharp as all hell. Then things become less about size but rather where you've been hit.
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Post by Envie on Mar 20, 2017 19:02:03 GMT -5
I want to believe in the wight hunt, but until I see it, I can't picture it. I know that sounds bizarre, but really on paper it can come across as an incredibly bad idea. I hope for more, I want it to be big and Hardhome v2 but at this moment it seems like such a waste of a dragon and manpower. This is exactly how I feel as well. I understand why not many of us have voted for the wight hunt as most anticipated scene. We're being cautiously reserved because of how badly it was conveyed in the leaks. I mean, we're not even supposed to KNOW about this scene - it was leaked and then confirmed with the icy lake filming location photos. There are others in the list too but this one was one of the most criticized and misunderstood along with the dragon-pit scene. I am thinking both will be amazingly awesome but with the details we've gotten have been a bit soured by poor translation. But that just means the reality of the scenes will be all the more amazing when it actually happens!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:56:20 GMT -5
Personally, I actually never had a problem with the Wight Hunt, because I do agree with King Tommen that the rationale behind it makes sense. They need to prove to the Westerosi people that White Walkers are real and there's no other way to do it. However, I don't think this is what people mean when they doubt the "logistics" of this entire operation. It's more practical: how do they intend to transport the wight? On the dragon? In a cage? On a leash? How do they do it if they need to flee? It sounds comical either way. Furthermore, people have watched The Walking Dead where there were similar issues and it looked funny on that show too. But maybe they found a way to not make it look ridiculous, so I'll reserve judgment until I see it. But I don't blame people for having reservations.
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Post by King Tommen on Mar 20, 2017 23:25:28 GMT -5
Maybe if someone can explain exactly why the reason for the wight hunt seems silly it would help because I'm not seeing a problem with it at all as written (and obviously plenty of context is still to be filled in).
Based on the fact that this is a very small group of people doing this, it's obviously meant to be a stealth mission because they are well aware of any kind of battle would go badly for a force of that size. The fact that they seem to set out from Eastwatch would suggest that Tormund is manning it there (and has picked up the BwB at some point). The Walkers apparently have set up shop very close to the Wall at this point (if they're bringing it down in the following episode). So Tormund can probably provide some piece of intelligence on the location and movements of the army from his vantagepoint. This would also explain why they would venture on foot North of the Wall, they probably don't have very far to go. From that info, they would determine they have a good chance of doing a smash and grab to get the proof they need. Wights are pretty easy to take care of, they just want to stay away from the WW's. Obviously, something goes wrong (as things tend to do on GoT) and they instead have to deal with the full WW army instead which is when Dany arrives to try and airlift everyone out.
Do people think capturing a wight would be hard? Or that they don't need to get the proof to convince potential allies? Or that the notion that they should try and convince other people to join with them is pointless? I guess I don't get the negative reaction to this. Seems like a likely progression of what would happen as part of the leadup for Westerosi forces to try and prepare for the impending WW invasion.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Mar 20, 2017 23:54:22 GMT -5
I think the way Lads presented the Wight Hunt details made it sound more silly than it actually will be. Now there's no doubt that it will be like the Hardhome scenario where it sounded underwhelming on paper, but looked amazing on screen, but it's what @kairos brought up about the transportation of this wight to King's Landing that's throwing me off. And I think that's where this criticism of the sequence lies. True, Jon and his crew going beyond the wall sounds like a suicide mission, but again there are still so many people in Westeros who are completely unaware of this threat and what's coming for them. Not only that, they've become so distracted by The War of the Five Kings, that it would catch them by complete surprise and they wouldn't have any way of planning ahead.
I think Northerners are much smarter in this aspect as they've lived through harsh winters before, so I agree that bringing a wight to King's Landing to showcase what the real threat is and have not only Cersei and Jaime see it with their own eyes, but even spreading the word across the seven kingdoms of this threat would be much more beneficial for their survival when the NK and the army of the dead break through the wall. They'll at least be a little more prepared than they were before. As for how you capture a wight, going in quietly is definitely a logical decision instead of an ambush because you're not adding as much meat to their army, but again there definitely isn't enough context here for how that's going to work and that's really the only thing missing here. It wouldn't be difficult if you have the presence of fire I suppose, so it's not so much the negative reaction towards using the wight to convince potential allies to join forces with them, more so how the fuck you get it out of there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:28:17 GMT -5
I think the way Lads presented the Wight Hunt details made it sound more silly than it actually will be. Now there's no doubt that it will be like the Hardhome scenario where it sounded underwhelming on paper, but looked amazing on screen, but it's what @kairos brought up about the transportation of this wight to King's Landing that's throwing me off. And I think that's where this criticism of the sequence lies. True, Jon and his crew going beyond the wall sounds like a suicide mission, but again there are still so many people in Westeros who are completely unaware of this threat and what's coming for them. Not only that, they've become so distracted by The War of the Five Kings, that it would catch them by complete surprise and they wouldn't have any way of planning ahead. I think Northerners are much smarter in this aspect as they've lived through harsh winters before, so I agree that bringing a wight to King's Landing to showcase what the real threat is and have not only Cersei and Jaime see it with their own eyes, but even spreading the word across the seven kingdoms of this threat would be much more beneficial for their survival when the NK and the army of the dead break through the wall. They'll at least be a little more prepared than they were before. As for how you capture a wight, going in quietly is definitely a logical decision instead of an ambush because you're not adding as much meat to their army, but again there definitely isn't enough context here for how that's going to work and that's really the only thing missing here. It wouldn't be difficult if you have the presence of fire I suppose, so it's not so much the negative reaction towards using the wight to convince potential allies to join forces with them, more so how the fuck you get it out of there. That might be partially true among other scenes (some things are missing and we don't know context of it) but grab and go mission sounds very risky. Wights at this point might travel in packs to march towards the Wall, followed by White Walkers. Jon and co doesn't know about NK powers to see them. I believe someone said it that since he's able to see Bran in his vision and touch him, he can sense Jon and his band of brothers on their mission. I'm not sure but didn't leaks said NK senses them? Part of the reason why Jon decided to go Beyond the Wall is to convince Cersei, which they failed to do so. Fighting has been stopped but not because of Cersei' good will but because White Walkers can make it easier for her afterwards. Underestimating Cersei's paranoia is a dangerous thing to do. At least Jaime is on board but yet coming without an army. But Dany is the main positive that she'll see them but losing her dragon.
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