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Post by StarkL on Jul 28, 2017 18:28:08 GMT -5
I'm kinda worried about how boatsex will translate to us, like someone just said: "It’s like the writing is setting this scene up for people to yell, “But she’s his aunt!” at their televisions as Jon and Dany have sex, and they intersperse cringe-worthy details like Tyrion hearing it???"
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Post by Lils on Jul 28, 2017 18:30:35 GMT -5
I'm kinda worried about how boatsex will translate to us, like someone just said: "It’s like the writing is setting this scene up for people to yell, “But she’s his aunt!” at their televisions as Jon and Dany have sex, and they intersperse cringe-worthy details like Tyrion hearing it???" That was my fear for awhile too, but his lineage was already revealed last season. This is more about him being legitimate than actually being Dany's nephew. If they wanted to shock us, I think it could have been done a bit differently. It's how it translates on the page that makes it seem shocking. I think that it's mainly meant to be compared to Rhaegar and Lyanna's love. The uniting of Ice and Fire, happening again. With the right music, it's going to be romantic, not horrifying.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jul 28, 2017 18:31:39 GMT -5
Is this accurate?? Sam being first is weird. Sam did have a lot in 701 compared to Jon and Dany so I could see it being true. But it will definitely change quite a lot with these next few episodes.
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Post by belle on Jul 28, 2017 18:31:40 GMT -5
I'm kinda worried about how boatsex will translate to us, like someone just said: "It’s like the writing is setting this scene up for people to yell, “But she’s his aunt!” at their televisions as Jon and Dany have sex, and they intersperse cringe-worthy details like Tyrion hearing it???" It was obvious they were going for the incest shock factor when we found out that boatsex would be interspersed with r+l=j being completely spelled out
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Post by StarkL on Jul 28, 2017 18:39:22 GMT -5
Well, if they really want to bring the incest shocker to us, fine, but they better not bring Jonsa to us either. Let Jon end up with some random girl or stay single, whatever.
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Post by Lils on Jul 28, 2017 18:45:01 GMT -5
Well, if they really want to bring the incest shocker to us, fine, but they better not bring Jonsa to us either. Let Jon end up with some random girl or stay single, whatever. I honestly don't think they are setting it up to be such a shock to us. What about all of the buildup and foreshadowing in the books? Or the foreshadowing in the shows? Boat sex is happening along two other climatic moments, both of them relating in some way for the coming war. Jon and Dany together isn't shocking because: 1. We already knew he was a Targaryen the moment we saw Lyanna in the Tower. 2. There is so much buildup to a relationship with them. Why show them falling in love if it wasn't going to have some sort of payoff? 3. As moiaf has pointed out in another post, Dany has always been compared to Rhaegar while Jon has always been linked to Lyanna (blue rose in a chink of ice?). They are showing this scene at the same moment that Rhaegar and Lyanna are married, it's showing the union of Ice and Fire together. Rhaegar and Lyanna gave birth to a son that became part of the Azorah Hai prophecy. I don't think it's a small thing that Jon and Dany are having sex at that moment, likely conceiving a child that will come into play. And that it happens after Cersei miscarries? Only death pays for life.
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Post by belle on Jul 28, 2017 18:49:15 GMT -5
Well, if they really want to bring the incest shocker to us, fine, but they better not bring Jonsa to us either. Let Jon end up with some random girl or stay single, whatever. Jonsa was never going to happen
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Post by StarkL on Jul 28, 2017 18:50:26 GMT -5
Well, if they really want to bring the incest shocker to us, fine, but they better not bring Jonsa to us either. Let Jon end up with some random girl or stay single, whatever. I honestly don't think they are setting it up to be such a shock to us. What about all of the buildup and foreshadowing in the books? Or the foreshadowing in the shows? Boat sex is happening along two other climatic moments, both of them relating in some way for the coming war. Jon and Dany together isn't shocking because: 1. We already knew he was a Targaryen the moment we saw Lyanna in the Tower. 2. There is so much buildup to a relationship with them. Why show them falling in love if it wasn't going to have some sort of payoff? 3. As moiaf has pointed out in another post, Dany has always been compared to Rhaegar while Jon has always been linked to Lyanna (blue rose in a chink of ice?). They are showing this scene at the same moment that Rhaegar and Lyanna are married, it's showing the union of Ice and Fire together. Rhaegar and Lyanna gave birth to a son that became part of the Azorah Hai prophecy. I don't think it's a small thing that Jon and Dany are having sex at that moment, likely conceiving a child that will come into play. And that it happens after Cersei miscarries? Only death pays for life. I hope you're right. We've been waiting for this all this time, I hope the moment doesn't get ruined.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 28, 2017 18:50:38 GMT -5
Well, if they really want to bring the incest shocker to us, fine, but they better not bring Jonsa to us either. Let Jon end up with some random girl or stay single, whatever. I honestly don't think they are setting it up to be such a shock to us. What about all of the buildup and foreshadowing in the books? Or the foreshadowing in the shows? Boat sex is happening along two other climatic moments, both of them relating in some way for the coming war. Jon and Dany together isn't shocking because: 1. We already knew he was a Targaryen the moment we saw Lyanna in the Tower. 2. There is so much buildup to a relationship with them. Why show them falling in love if it wasn't going to have some sort of payoff? 3. As moiaf has pointed out in another post, Dany has always been compared to Rhaegar while Jon has always been linked to Lyanna (blue rose in a chink of ice?). They are showing this scene at the same moment that Rhaegar and Lyanna are married, it's showing the union of Ice and Fire together. Rhaegar and Lyanna gave birth to a son that became part of the Azorah Hai prophecy. I don't think it's a small thing that Jon and Dany are having sex at that moment, likely conceiving a child that will come into play. And that it happens after Cersei miscarries? Only death pays for life. So, I'm staying away from most of the spoilers but because of what I blog about I couldn't stay away from this particular topic. Here is what I wrote about it. In the books Jon is heavily associated with his mother’s family, his looks, his upbringing, his values are those of his mother and her family. When Dany sees him in her HOTU vision she sees him as a blue flower (rose) something Lyanna is heavily associated with. On the other hand Dany is heavily associated with a Rhaegar in the books. Both Ser Jorah and Ser Barristan compare her to him. And twice during prophetic dreams Dany sees herself as Rhaegar, including a dream where she as Rhaegar fights in the Trident. I think, given the limited information we have, that the comparison between the two is actually a juxtaposition. The love that Rhaegar and Lyanna had for each other tore Westeros apart, it destroyed families and brought House Targaryen almost to extinction. Now you juxtapose that with Dany and Jon who are trying to bring Westeros together after all the war and devastation that has taken place. By joining together they are healing a rift made by their relatives. This fits into the larger narrative and parallels shared by Dany and Jon. Throughout the series they have been trying to correct the mistakes of their ancestors. The two of them coming together is the culmination of that narrative. This is when Ice and Fire merge to create a union.
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Post by Lils on Jul 28, 2017 18:55:12 GMT -5
I honestly don't think they are setting it up to be such a shock to us. What about all of the buildup and foreshadowing in the books? Or the foreshadowing in the shows? Boat sex is happening along two other climatic moments, both of them relating in some way for the coming war. Jon and Dany together isn't shocking because: 1. We already knew he was a Targaryen the moment we saw Lyanna in the Tower. 2. There is so much buildup to a relationship with them. Why show them falling in love if it wasn't going to have some sort of payoff? 3. As moiaf has pointed out in another post, Dany has always been compared to Rhaegar while Jon has always been linked to Lyanna (blue rose in a chink of ice?). They are showing this scene at the same moment that Rhaegar and Lyanna are married, it's showing the union of Ice and Fire together. Rhaegar and Lyanna gave birth to a son that became part of the Azorah Hai prophecy. I don't think it's a small thing that Jon and Dany are having sex at that moment, likely conceiving a child that will come into play. And that it happens after Cersei miscarries? Only death pays for life. So, I'm staying away from most of the spoilers but because of what I blog about I couldn't stay away from this particular topic. Here is what I wrote about it. In the books Jon is heavily associated with his mother’s family, his looks, his upbringing, his values are those of his mother and her family. When Dany sees him in her HOTU vision she sees him as a blue flower (rose) something Lyanna is heavily associated with. On the other hand Dany is heavily associated with a Rhaegar in the books. Both Ser Jorah and Ser Barristan compare her to him. And twice during prophetic dreams Dany sees herself as Rhaegar, including a dream where she as Rhaegar fights in the Trident. I think, given the limited information we have, that the comparison between the two is actually a juxtaposition. The love that Rhaegar and Lyanna had for each other tore Westeros apart, it destroyed families and brought House Targaryen almost to extinction. Now you juxtapose that with Dany and Jon who are trying to bring Westeros together after all the war and devastation that has taken place. By joining together they are healing a rift made by their relatives. This fits into the larger narrative and parallels shared by Dany and Jon. Throughout the series they have been trying to correct the mistakes of their ancestors. The two of them coming together is the culmination of that narrative. This is when Ice and Fire merge to create a union. I've said it before, but that analysis is incredible. Thank you.
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Post by StarkL on Jul 28, 2017 18:57:25 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6q7mn1/frikidoctors_season_7_episode_7_review_and_qa/
Dude... he's in deep love.
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Post by Lils on Jul 28, 2017 18:59:22 GMT -5
I honestly don't think they are setting it up to be such a shock to us. What about all of the buildup and foreshadowing in the books? Or the foreshadowing in the shows? Boat sex is happening along two other climatic moments, both of them relating in some way for the coming war. Jon and Dany together isn't shocking because: 1. We already knew he was a Targaryen the moment we saw Lyanna in the Tower. 2. There is so much buildup to a relationship with them. Why show them falling in love if it wasn't going to have some sort of payoff? 3. As moiaf has pointed out in another post, Dany has always been compared to Rhaegar while Jon has always been linked to Lyanna (blue rose in a chink of ice?). They are showing this scene at the same moment that Rhaegar and Lyanna are married, it's showing the union of Ice and Fire together. Rhaegar and Lyanna gave birth to a son that became part of the Azorah Hai prophecy. I don't think it's a small thing that Jon and Dany are having sex at that moment, likely conceiving a child that will come into play. And that it happens after Cersei miscarries? Only death pays for life. I hope you're right. We've been waiting for this all this time, I hope the moment doesn't get ruined. I was worried about this when I saw Green Chili's summary of Lads' leaks. I was worried that it was going to be something meant to shock us, but there were some great points made on this forum, mainly that the buildup doesn't make sense if we are meant to be disgusted. There's nothing wrong with loving the scene and I honestly believe it's meant to be romantic. Jon and Dany are the two driving forces of this novel, they are ice and fire. Them coming together is a momentous scene. All you need to remember is that Kit and Emilia have been placed together early in the show for promotional material. They've said as well that they think that their characters would choose each other. GRRM has built them up as a couple in his novels through symbolism and foreshadowing. If we were to think badly of the moment, it would be juxtaposed similarly to Cersei/Jaime's reveal in the first book.
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Post by konradsmith on Jul 28, 2017 19:00:44 GMT -5
Friki's wrong about a few things here. Saying Tyrion goes into the Red Keep for instance. But then he often misses certain details and confuses some things. I don't think that disproves him though. Like him getting scene orders wrong and whatnot, that to me just confirms his stuff is secondhand, not that he's wrong or just piecing leaks together.
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Post by belle on Jul 28, 2017 19:08:45 GMT -5
i've said before that i dont think friki has seen the episodes or even has access the scripts but most of what he's saying here is probably true. i wish that dragonglassbenjen guy would leak more since he seems to have the scripts
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Post by Lils on Jul 28, 2017 19:23:35 GMT -5
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