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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 9:11:38 GMT -5
Katherine Langford who plays Hannah is nominated for a Golden Globe as Best Actress in a TV show.
I didn't expect this at all but I think it's cool that she is getting recognition.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Dec 11, 2017 9:48:54 GMT -5
She had some tough scenes. Especially the final couple of episodes, and I thought she performed them very realistically and I’m glad she got the nomination. The deadness/emptiness in her face and body language after she is raped was chilling to watch, and her anguish and desperation when committing suicide was haunting
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:24:41 GMT -5
Anyone watch season 2?
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Post by Basil on May 20, 2018 3:23:12 GMT -5
Yep, I just finished it. In many ways, I liked it more than the first season. The characters were a lot less black and white, maybe because we got to know them more intimately, as it wasn't all told from Hannah's perspective. The first half of the season was really slow and kind of a chore to get through though. It often felt like a generic high school drama, very different from the surreal, anxiety-inducing tone of the first season. The second half was much better. It was also really preachy. Somehow, it felt even more preachy than the first season. Sometimes you could literally feel how a thing that a character said was just the writers of the show trying to get a message across, it was done with the subtlety of an after school special. But it was still great. I don't want to sound more negative than I am, because I actually really loved this season. It had so, so many beautiful moments that made it worth it for me ... even with all its problems, it was still amazing. The two scenes that I loved the most were both in the finale. First, Clay's speech at Hannah's memorial. Such a wonderfully written scene, and beautifully acted by Dylan Minnette. I watched it like five times and I couldn't get through it even once without bawling.
The other one was my favourite scene in the entire show. It was the moment during the dance, when The Night We Met started playing, and the rest of the gang came up to Clay to comfort him. That was so beautiful and sad. I literally have no words. I think the entire season was worth it just for that one moment.
But, I gotta say, I'm very disappointed in the way things left off. GOD. They had it! They had a perfect series finale at their hands, but they just had to ruin it for the purpose of a sequel. I was so happy when Clay's family offered to adopt Justin, but of course they had to show him still using drugs. If only they had scrapped the whole Jessica/Justin/Alex ordeal and the entire school shooting storyline, they could have ended the show right here, and it would have been a perfect, bittersweet ending to Hannah's story. With her mum moving on, Clay letting her go, and the entire gang coming together as one at the end. You don't need to keep on going from here, this show was always about Hannah, and the last episode of this season would have been the perfect conclusion, if only they had gotten rid of the superfluous stuff that was only there to set up Season 3.
I loved the season, but that ending left a bad taste in my mouth. Curious to hear what everyone else thinks.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 3:48:57 GMT -5
I totally agree with you about the ending. The last episode would have been the perfect series finale, but it was ruined by the Tyler shit. I have more thoughts which I may post later, but overall I thought s2 was stronger than S1.
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Post by moiaf on May 20, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
I totally agree with you about the ending. The last episode would have been the perfect series finale, but it was ruined by the Tyler shit. I have more thoughts which I may post later, but overall I thought s2 was stronger than S1. I’m glad you liked season 2 because I’ve been hesitant to watch it. Maybe I’ll watch it after all.
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2018 12:23:34 GMT -5
I strongly disliked most of season 2. I'm going to copy/paste my thoughts from another forum I posted them on, but I'm beyond irritated with it. For a show that came under so much fire for how they portrayed suicide last season, they were really flippant in the way they shoo horned that rape in episode 13. I also agree that I don't think they have encouraged any viewers to come forward with the way they were handling trials. I get it, they're going for realism. In reality, that's exactly what would happen. But I think the show runners had an opportunity to at least give their characters some sense of legal justice. They could've added a disclaimer saying "Most cases don't end like this, don't let that stop you from coming forward" and so on if they needed to. I'm thinking of myself as a sexual assault victim that didn't come forward back when it happened. If I had been watching this at the time, I don't think I'd be encouraged either.
I'm so frustrated with this season. This show made late season True Blood and The Walking Dead level writing mistakes. It's particularly egregious when they actually had some decent material buried in there.
THE GOOD The way Jessica dealt with her rape was very realistic and the actress was excellent. I only have two complaints about this, and it's Nina and Justin, more on them later.
The acting in general was really great all around. The weaker actors (the ones playing Courtney, Ryan, Skye, etc) were on screen the least and that gave everyone else the room to shine.
I really liked Hannah's memorial, and Clay's speech. That moment I felt was the only time GhostHannah was justified. That was a very touching scene that actually made me cry.
The scene of all the kids holding each other at the dance was really special.
While I think the addition of Hannah's flashbacks mostly failed, one I thought really worked was showing her relationships with Ryan, whom I barely felt was her friend last season. And Tony. It worked well there.
Tyler, until the last episode I also thought had a good revenge story going.
The therapist owning up to what a shitty job he did last season gave me life.
THE BAD
GhostHannah. I get why the show would want to keep Katherine Langford around. I do. She's great, she and Dylan Minnette have excellent chemistry together. But that was such an unnecessary move. They should've limited her to flashbacks, and at the very least the memorial scene in Clay's thoughts. But to have her as a ghost talking to Clay really dragged the story down.
Zach and Hannah's relationship. I know that some think it's really sweet but I can't get past the reconning of this. The showrunners said they wanted to show her with happy memories, yet they use Zach, a person with a tape and this entire summer never comes up even once on it? I don't buy "I was keeping this for myself." Zach literally told Clay last season that he knew Hannah more than anyone....bitch, no he didn't. Apparently you did.
Hannah's 2 minute past as a bully - I still can't for the life of me understand the purpose of this. The showrunners already retcon her summer to show her being happy, then throw in that she was a bully at her old school? The defense didn't need that and neither did the audience. It felt so insincere.
Nina - Nina worked as a plot device to Jessica, but her stealing the polaroids and burning them rendered one of the most interesting aspects of this season worthless. I'm not understanding the logic of having the one character in this show solely to help a rape victim silencing other victims with this action.
Justin and Jessica at the dance - Their hook up I'm sure was supposed to represent Jessica no longer being afraid of men, but coming right on the heels of she and Alex kissing was poor timing. Keeping him a junkie isn't helping either.
Chloe was a massive cliche, though her getting intimidated on the witness stand was believable. It felt like a bait and switch.
And finally, the school shooting. I thought that was what the entire season was going to be about and it's nothing but a cliffhanger. I'm not going to say it's in poor timing. This show can't help that it was released on the same day as yet another school shooting in the states, but from a story telling standpoint. I think they should've started with the shooting, and kept the trial against the school. It could've been another layer and another example of what bullying can do. Using it as a cliffhanger again cheapens it.
THE UGLY What was the point of having Tyler raped with a mop handle? and by fucking Monty, a dude that I had to look up to see if he was even in the first season because he's so generic looking. Getting beat up would've been enough incentive for Tyler. Adding this rape felt gratuitous, especially the way it was shot. Kyle Patrick Alvarez directed this episode. I loved a film he did before, The Stanford Prison Experiment, but shot it in a way that almost reveled in the violence of the act. I think Gregg Araki, who directed several episodes should've taken this one if they had to leave this rape in at all.
That was a lot, but I have a lot of feelings.
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Post by Basil on May 25, 2018 12:32:17 GMT -5
I don't think Hannah was actually a ghost, I don't think there is a supernatural element to this show. I interpreted it as basically just Clay talking to himself in his head and trying to figure things out, with his thoughts and doubts manifesting as an image of Hannah. Apart from that, I totally get most of your criticism, but I still really liked the season, probably more than season one, to be honest. The only thing I actively hated was the Tyler stuff in the finale.
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2018 19:26:01 GMT -5
It just felt so unnecessary. The only time it worked for me was during her memorial.
And the district attorney was so catty I have trouble believing even the bitchiest lawyer would cross examin kids like that lol.
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