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Post by mandzipop on Jul 24, 2017 10:18:30 GMT -5
Still not feeling the vibes yet. I need to see it in their eyes first. I mean it's pretty much inevitable, but reading a letter and saying someone's first name is not sufficient to give me the 'feels' just yet. I'm consistent that I don't properly ship romantically until I see it in the eyes. I do political ships, that was where Jonsa came in, but I never shipped them romantically. So not on board yet, doesn't mean I won't be.
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Post by Lils on Jul 24, 2017 10:31:25 GMT -5
I'll never understand how an incestuous relationship would be "cliche." I must of missed all those countless stories that ended with one... Well true when put like that. Cliche would be lead guy meets lead girl, they fall in love etc etc. But their teens and they are both good looking, both charismatic in their own way - shouldn't be surprising they would f**k like bunnies. But in the prophecies and in the text etc the signs are all there that Dany and Jon are meant to get together and when it happens I am going to make some popcorn and go over to the ASOIAF forums, lurk and giggle. They seem to think that because GRRM does things with fantasy that not many do, he's going to be shocking with every single scene. He talks a lot about how LOTR inspired him and Aragorn and Arwen ended up together, but no one claims that was cliche. I honestly think this is born out of them hating either Jon or Dany or both. There has been so much set up for them, it's going to happen. I'd also like to point out, if it was cliche, they would have seen each other way earlier in the story and fallen in love. As it is, they have spent most of the series apart, living completely different lives and loving other people. It's a realistic journey of two people whose paths eventually cross and fall in love. We get two seasons of them out of 8 and likely two books out of 7. It's not cliche.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 24, 2017 11:06:05 GMT -5
Very unique indeed, although, I ddi like it. It was more like DAYnerys. I'm glad you've come around. It's not a typical ship so I know some people will feel weird about it but because I shopped them before I ever knew anything it came very naturally to me. Once I found out they were relted it didn't matter, I knew it was still going there, so I just went where the story took me. This is a very good point. I get what Dany's Golden Fleece is saying but I think the setup is different from the usual, setup of a fantasy romance. It makes it unique in a way, which I think it's how their ending will be. I don't think either will rule to be honest but I'm not so sure anymore that they both or one of them will die for that matter. As Lils says, these two people are coming together after having had their own lives and loves, they are coming to eachother at a different stage in life then most fantasy couples.
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Post by Lils on Jul 24, 2017 11:42:47 GMT -5
Very unique indeed, although, I ddi like it. It was more like DAYnerys. I'm glad you've come around. It's not a typical ship so I know some people will feel weird about it but because I shopped them before I ever knew anything it came very naturally to me. Once I found out they were relted it didn't matter, I knew it was still going there, so I just went where the story took me. This is a very good point. I get what Dany's Golden Fleece is saying but I think the setup is different from the usual, setup of a fantasy romance. It makes it unique in a way, which I think it's how their ending will be. I don't think either will rule to be honest but I'm not so sure anymore that they both or one of them will die for that matter. As Lils says, these two people are coming together after having had their own lives and loves, they are coming to eachother at a different stage in life then most fantasy couples. I'm of the opinion that neither of them are going to die. I know that a lot of the fandom expects one or both of them to die, but I think that GRRM tends to go more symbolic and he really loves the loss of innocence. I think they'll live, but like Frodo, they can't go back to where they were before. It's possible they go off to live a peaceful life together. I also have come around to the idea that they have a child. I kind of think Rhaegar's line "the Dragon has Three Heads" is about Jon/Dany and their child.
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Post by sand0r on Jul 24, 2017 11:42:59 GMT -5
I could sail this ship, but there's one problem with it: Jon's true heritage and his reaction when he finds that out. He's a Northerner no matter where he was born and incest is not best there. Apparently, the North remembers Targaryens and their madness too well.
Still, I look forward to her saying something snarky and him being dour but duly impressed at their first meeting then soon enough, the banter will turn into something more. He'll bend the knee all right if only to give her the Lord's kiss. Theirs is the song of ice and fire. It is known.
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Post by Lils on Jul 24, 2017 11:44:20 GMT -5
I could sail this ship, but there's one problem with it: Jon's true heritage and his reaction when he finds that out. He's a Northerner no matter where he was born and incest is not best there. Apparently, the North remembers Targaryens and their madness too well. Still, I look forward to her saying something snarky and him being dour but duly impressed at their first meeting then soon enough, the banter will turn into something more. He'll bend the knee all right if only to give her the Lord's kiss. Theirs is the song of ice and fire. It is known. That's not really true. There have been uncle/niece, aunt/nephew marriages in the North.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 11:51:40 GMT -5
I could sail this ship, but there's one problem with it: Jon's true heritage and his reaction when he finds that out. He's a Northerner no matter where he was born and incest is not best there. Apparently, the North remembers Targaryens and their madness too well. Still, I look forward to her saying something snarky and him being dour but duly impressed at their first meeting then soon enough, the banter will turn into something more. He'll bend the knee all right if only to give her the Lord's kiss. Theirs is the song of ice and fire. It is known. That's not really true. There have been uncle/niece, aunt/nephew marriages in the North. In fact we learned in TWoIaF that Ned and Lyanna's parents were cousins.
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Post by Lils on Jul 24, 2017 12:06:59 GMT -5
That's not really true. There have been uncle/niece, aunt/nephew marriages in the North. In fact we learned in TWoIaF that Ned and Lyanna's parents were cousins. There was also the agreement that was made when the North bent the knee to Aegon. There was a promise that a Targaryen Princess would wed a Stark.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Jul 24, 2017 12:36:10 GMT -5
I saw Jon/Dany coming like a freight train since Daario handed Dany the blue rose way back in season 2...the showrunners have been setting it up so subtly with parallels and similar paths to leadership. The 'Mysa' scene with Dany held up by the mob circle of slaves and Jon in the center of the BotB coming up for air in the mob circle of soldiers....different circumstances, similar setting. (it is even more obvious in the books)Just because GRRM breaks tropes doesn't mean that he breaks ALL tropes. Personally, I'm ok with it. I actually like both characters and there should be excellent chemistry between the actors as well. I think Dany will cave first...Jon is pretty and has that awesome bad-boy scar...strong, silent type and also respectful of women. She'll have to tumble him...but once she does...he'll never look back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 12:43:17 GMT -5
I saw Jon/Dany coming like a freight train since Daario handed Dany the blue rose way back in season 2...the showrunners have been setting it up so subtly with parallels and similar paths to leadership. The 'Mysa' scene with Dany held up by the mob circle of slaves and Jon in the center of the BotB coming up for air in the mob circle of soldiers....different circumstances, similar setting. (it is even more obvious in the books)Just because GRRM breaks tropes doesn't mean that he breaks ALL tropes. Personally, I'm ok with it. I actually like both characters and there should be excellent chemistry between the actors as well. I think Dany will cave first...Jon is pretty and has that awesome bad-boy scar...strong, silent type and also respectful of women. She'll have to tumble him...but once she does...he'll never look back. There was actually a parallel in Mysha to Dany being picked up and carried by her people, to when Jon returned to Castle Black and passed out his NW bros picked him up and carried him inside.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Jul 24, 2017 12:59:17 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm shipping them but I was never a Jon or Dany fan before and this season I'm loving all of their scenes. Really strong writing and acting for both of them.
If there is going to be a love story, I just hope they each retain their independency and individuality, because that is what's making them great right now.
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Post by Envie on Jul 24, 2017 13:09:55 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm shipping them but I was never a Jon or Dany fan before and this season I'm loving all of their scenes. Really strong writing and acting for both of them. If there is going to be a love story, I just hope they each retain their independency and individuality, because that is what's making them great right now. I wonder how far back the writers told Kit and Emilia they were possibly going to be romantically involved? Most of the actors claim they don't know what's going to happen until the season begins filming. Is it possible they didn't know up until season 7 filming began and therefore their attitudes have since changed to compliment one another going into the episodes before they actually meet? Because, I agree they suddenly seem to acting differently when the mention comes up. Before, the characters didn't know the other existed and there's a subtle shift this season in their personalities. Both are harder and more direct and a lot of that's due to the circumstances of war and leading people but also I feel like this shift is setting up the stage for their epic first meeting. We're going to find out soon!
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Post by TheArchmaester on Jul 24, 2017 13:17:38 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm shipping them but I was never a Jon or Dany fan before and this season I'm loving all of their scenes. Really strong writing and acting for both of them. If there is going to be a love story, I just hope they each retain their independency and individuality, because that is what's making them great right now. I wonder how far back the writers told Kit and Emilia they were possibly going to be romantically involved? Most of the actors claim they don't know what's going to happen until the season begins filming. Is it possible they didn't know up until season 7 filming began and therefore their attitudes have since changed to compliment one another going into the episodes before they actually meet? Because, I agree they suddenly seem to acting differently when the mention comes up. Before, the characters didn't know the other existed and there's a subtle shift this season in their personalities. Both are harder and more direct and a lot of that's due to the circumstances of war and leading people but also I feel like this shift is setting up the stage for their epic first meeting. We're going to find out soon! Good point--it's possible they're amping up their directness and hardness so that when they meet, there's some tension and possibly a clash. So we get 3 tough, determined no-nonsense rulers (Jon-Dany-Cersei), each with a specific agenda.
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Post by Lils on Jul 24, 2017 13:18:51 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm shipping them but I was never a Jon or Dany fan before and this season I'm loving all of their scenes. Really strong writing and acting for both of them. If there is going to be a love story, I just hope they each retain their independency and individuality, because that is what's making them great right now. I wonder how far back the writers told Kit and Emilia they were possibly going to be romantically involved? Most of the actors claim they don't know what's going to happen until the season begins filming. Is it possible they didn't know up until season 7 filming began and therefore their attitudes have since changed to compliment one another going into the episodes before they actually meet? Because, I agree they suddenly seem to acting differently when the mention comes up. Before, the characters didn't know the other existed and there's a subtle shift this season in their personalities. Both are harder and more direct and a lot of that's due to the circumstances of war and leading people but also I feel like this shift is setting up the stage for their epic first meeting. We're going to find out soon! Considering all of the buildup and the things they've said in Q&As, I think they suspect, if not know that their characters are getting together. Both Emilia and Kit have mentioned more than once they think that Jon and Dany would be interested in each other. "Fight or F***" as Kit put it. Then there are all the promo pics they've taken, like EW.
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Post by Dany's Golden Fleece on Jul 24, 2017 13:25:31 GMT -5
Well true when put like that. Cliche would be lead guy meets lead girl, they fall in love etc etc. But their teens and they are both good looking, both charismatic in their own way - shouldn't be surprising they would f**k like bunnies. But in the prophecies and in the text etc the signs are all there that Dany and Jon are meant to get together and when it happens I am going to make some popcorn and go over to the ASOIAF forums, lurk and giggle. They seem to think that because GRRM does things with fantasy that not many do, he's going to be shocking with every single scene. He talks a lot about how LOTR inspired him and Aragorn and Arwen ended up together, but no one claims that was cliche. I honestly think this is born out of them hating either Jon or Dany or both. There has been so much set up for them, it's going to happen. I'd also like to point out, if it was cliche, they would have seen each other way earlier in the story and fallen in love. As it is, they have spent most of the series apart, living completely different lives and loving other people. It's a realistic journey of two people whose paths eventually cross and fall in love. We get two seasons of them out of 8 and likely two books out of 7. It's not cliche. <Hands up> I am willing to admit I was wrong. If Jon and Dany's union starts up a new Targaryen dynasty I am a happy man.
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