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Post by sercreighton on Aug 6, 2017 22:18:10 GMT -5
I'll need to rewatch or have someone explain it to me because I really didn't get what was up with the scene where Arya was sparring with Brienne.. Was it just to let everyone know that she got really good? I felt like I was supposed to realize something but it never came to me, Sansa and LF watched her fight and then Sansa left. I kinda feel like you. I get it, they wanted to show Sansa that her little sister is a great fighter now but the fight felt weird to me. I can't put my finger on it... Like the other kids Arya is acclimating. We saw this with Sansa and Jon both have changed and they have to relearn eachother. Winterfell has changed and so has Arya she is reverting to something that is within her comfort level, training. Sansa sees a part of her that has changed and needs to adapt to her as Arya has to adapt to Sansa and Bran. There is closeness and distance all in one. It also sets up that Arya in her own way is dangerous, maybe that list she mentioned in the crypts was not a joke. Arya is not comfortable enough to talk about what she has been through and neither is Sansa.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 6, 2017 22:21:52 GMT -5
Well, she's supposed to look like Jon, who's also a shorty so... Bran's just like "If I could stand I'd be taller than all these bitches..." Back to my rant: Meera deserved a fucking hug at least though. I think Sansa thanking her for taking care of Bran would of been appropriate.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 6, 2017 22:22:52 GMT -5
Guys, I hated the Bran/Meera scene It made me so sad. But damn, that battle though. It reminded me so much of Blackwater with kind of rooting for everyone, and that long shot they did with Bronn reminded me of the one with Jon from BOTB. I loved that scene, it directly addresses what is going on with Bran and why he is so detatched in comparison to Mera who went through that whole journey with him. You see the contrast and it addresses the root problem, and later with little finger you actually see a little bit of emotion. Bran has more important things to focus on but Chaos is ladder, indicating he knows what LF has done and is essentially letting him know he is full of shit. I get what they're trying to do but I still think it's absolute bullshit for Bran to just check out emotionally and treat Meera that way. If this happens in the books, we'll get his inner thoughts which I imagine will contain his emotions but this doesn't work on screen. He still should have moments where he's human. ETA: to elaborate a bit, in the below gif you can kind of see emotion here, how relieved he is to have Arya. Why didn't they do this with Meera? I really don't think D&D knew what to do with them here.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 6, 2017 22:24:45 GMT -5
One of my favorite parts was the Dothraki war cry from the distance. Imagine being an average soldier born and raised in Westeros hearing stories about how ruthless and bloodthirsty these guys are and all of a sudden, you're about to be the first Westerosi to fight them ever. That psychological damage that cry probably did to the soldiers alone was incredible. Drogon flying over from the sky is just the cherry on the top There is a close up of a soldier on line and he looks terrified and he is shaking.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 6, 2017 22:30:56 GMT -5
I loved that scene, it directly addresses what is going on with Bran and why he is so detatched in comparison to Mera who went through that whole journey with him. You see the contrast and it addresses the root problem, and later with little finger you actually see a little bit of emotion. Bran has more important things to focus on but Chaos is ladder, indicating he knows what LF has done and is essentially letting him know he is full of shit. I get what they're trying to do but I still think it's absolute bullshit for Bran to just check out emotionally and treat Meera that way. If this happens in the books, we'll get his inner thoughts which I imagine will contain his emotions but this doesn't work on screen. He still should have moments where he's human. ETA: to elaborate a bit, in the below gif you can kind of see emotion here, how relieved he is to have Arya. Why didn't they do this with Meera? I really don't think D&D knew what to do with them here. Meera is related to the Nightmare he just lived through, he is more likely to distance at that time. But they get to the problem, he is totally overwhelmed with memories, someone else's memories. He is having issues separating them and is buried buy them. I thought the same thing last week but this week they actually went to the cause, and you are getting little moments. Like Bran and LF. He didn't bring up the ladder for shits and giggles.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 6, 2017 22:33:06 GMT -5
I wanted them to fuck right there in that cave.
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Post by Lils on Aug 6, 2017 22:34:17 GMT -5
I wanted them to fuck right there in that cave. Bestow on her the Lord's Kiss.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 6, 2017 22:41:50 GMT -5
I get what they're trying to do but I still think it's absolute bullshit for Bran to just check out emotionally and treat Meera that way. If this happens in the books, we'll get his inner thoughts which I imagine will contain his emotions but this doesn't work on screen. He still should have moments where he's human. ETA: to elaborate a bit, in the below gif you can kind of see emotion here, how relieved he is to have Arya. Why didn't they do this with Meera? I really don't think D&D knew what to do with them here. Meera is related to the Nightmare he just lived through, he is more likely to distance at that time. But they get to the problem, he is totally overwhelmed with memories, someone else's memories. He is having issues separating them and is buried buy them. I thought the same thing last week but this week they actually went to the cause, and you are getting little moments. Like Bran and LF. He didn't bring up the ladder for shits and giggles. Yes but she gave up so much to save him. I felt like she was internally begging to stay by his side. It was just so disappointing and sad. I wanted something better, and I feel like we'll never see Meera again because D&D won't go back to her.
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Post by Envie on Aug 6, 2017 23:16:49 GMT -5
Amazing episode and it was so full of emotions and conflicting wtf moments. Wow. I agree with many of you that Bran's emotionless treatment of Meera was wrong and cold and while they did have him explain it a bit, it's still screwed up and feels bad man, feels bad! Jon and Dany giving each other the anime fuck-me eyes in the cave was soooo good. Those two have such amazing chemistry I'm a bad woman for wanting Kit to break up with Rose and get with Emilia in RL! I know a lot of you didn't care for all of the Arya/Winterfell scenes but I loved them. I just love Arya so much I can't ever hate her scenes other than the one where the waif stabbed her way too many goddamn times - that was just stupid. Maisie plays Arya so well. Just a tad bit of insanity lurking under the surface there, like that goofy ass weird smile she gave Sansa when Sansa laughed at her "list" ...ugh that was precious. Oh and I know others explained it already katjushka, but Dan and Dave remarked about Arya's sparring with Brienne and the intent they were going for with Sansa and Littlefinger watching from above. It's in this moment Sansa realizes how dangerous Arya has become. Sansa can't imagine everything Arya's been through and obviously knows nothing about her training with the Faceless Men. She didn't even know about Syrio training Arya in the Braavosi style of fighting either if you think way back. She thought Arya was going to "Dancing lessons" (and she was dancing, just a different sort!) So the point here is that Sansa is seeing how changed her siblings are and how their experiences have made them evolve into people who cannot come back from who they are now and become who they were before. I think Sansa was hoping to find her little brother and little sister still the way she remembered them from back in Season 1 and that maybe she's the only one who has suffered. But no, Arya and Bran have suffered and perhaps changed even more drastically than Sansa herself. She's realizing that in that moment watching Arya fight ... this is not her little sister anymore, this is a dangerous person. Littlefinger of course is shitting his pants because Bran just told him in one simple quote that he knows everything Littlefinger has been up to all this time.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 6, 2017 23:21:55 GMT -5
I know a lot of you didn't care for all of the Arya/Winterfell scenes but I loved them. I just love Arya so much I can't ever hate her scenes other than the one where the waif stabbed her way too many goddamn times - that was just stupid. Maisie plays Arya so well. Just a tad bit of insanity lurking under the surface there, like that goofy ass weird smile she gave Sansa when Sansa laughed at her "list" ...ugh that was precious. Our girl is home!
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Post by Envie on Aug 6, 2017 23:33:34 GMT -5
I know a lot of you didn't care for all of the Arya/Winterfell scenes but I loved them. I just love Arya so much I can't ever hate her scenes other than the one where the waif stabbed her way too many goddamn times - that was just stupid. Maisie plays Arya so well. Just a tad bit of insanity lurking under the surface there, like that goofy ass weird smile she gave Sansa when Sansa laughed at her "list" ...ugh that was precious. Our girl is home! I know, it's such a great feeling! So many people argued with me that she will never return and never be the same. Well no, she'll never be the same and there's a lot of hints (including that gif) that Arya's feeling quite sad about how much things have changed (like with nymeria) and can never go back to what they were before. That's actually the 'bittersweet' I think we're getting in the end of the whole story from GRRM. It's similar to how the hobbits felt when they returned to the Shire after the fellowship was over. They were no longer carefree and naive anymore. They were scarred for life and had seen terrible things happen. This is Arya and Bran in GoT. I'm not crazy about the 'coldness' in them but I guess that's how they want to portray their scarring and changed outlook on life. It's sad. But beyond the sadness, there is also hope. Arya still smiles, she still enjoys life (sparring with Brienne, laughing with Sansa) so I do think she can still go on and be happy, especially once she sees Jon again. That will bring things full circle for her and he has a very strong influence on others now, I can't believe he won't be able to bring a big part of Arya's lost inner self back as well.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 6, 2017 23:47:14 GMT -5
I know a lot of you didn't care for all of the Arya/Winterfell scenes but I loved them. I just love Arya so much I can't ever hate her scenes other than the one where the waif stabbed her way too many goddamn times - that was just stupid. Maisie plays Arya so well. Just a tad bit of insanity lurking under the surface there, like that goofy ass weird smile she gave Sansa when Sansa laughed at her "list" ...ugh that was precious. Oh and I know others explained it already katjushka, but Dan and Dave remarked about Arya's sparring with Brienne and the intent they were going for with Sansa and Littlefinger watching from above. It's in this moment Sansa realizes how dangerous Arya has become. Thanks for that, it was once again 4 a.m here as I watched it and completely missed the correct emotion from Sansa. That makes sense though, yes. And I did pretty much love the Arya scenes, that lurking insanity you mention - Maisie plays it really well. I got a bit worried when Sansa talked about Jon being so happy to see Arya when he returns.. I couldn't help to think that they might not meet or that they do but somethings up, somethings not right.
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Post by Envie on Aug 6, 2017 23:54:08 GMT -5
I know a lot of you didn't care for all of the Arya/Winterfell scenes but I loved them. I just love Arya so much I can't ever hate her scenes other than the one where the waif stabbed her way too many goddamn times - that was just stupid. Maisie plays Arya so well. Just a tad bit of insanity lurking under the surface there, like that goofy ass weird smile she gave Sansa when Sansa laughed at her "list" ...ugh that was precious. Oh and I know others explained it already katjushka, but Dan and Dave remarked about Arya's sparring with Brienne and the intent they were going for with Sansa and Littlefinger watching from above. It's in this moment Sansa realizes how dangerous Arya has become. Thanks for that, it was once again 4 a.m here as I watched it and completely missed the correct emotion from Sansa. That makes sense though, yes. And I did pretty much love the Arya scenes, that lurking insanity you mention - Maisie plays it really well. I got a bit worried when Sansa talked about Jon being so happy to see Arya when he returns.. I couldn't help to think that they might not meet or that they do but somethings up, somethings not right. Yeah I get you on this, there's some weird tension in the air with the three siblings. I'm not sure if this is a hint of something bad to come or just how they wanted to play it to make everyone worried about what's going to happen. Maybe it's just to string Stark fans along just a tiny bit more... to keep everyone on the edge of their seat that this reunion thing is going to get ruined somehow! I think the weirdness was entirely intentional and though I'm not crazy with the cold lifeless Bran thing, I do get it why Arya is being so different and why there's still a tiny shred of unresolved conflict lingering between Arya and Sansa. I was really glad to see Arya be the one to break down and hug Sansa the second time in the crypt scene as that was much more genuine and Arya which helped relieve my worries that Arya is too changed. I can hope the same for Bran maybe but it looks like the weight of the world is crushing his soul.
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Post by izzue on Aug 7, 2017 0:11:31 GMT -5
Oh, God - I just finished watching the show and we're already 5 pages into the discussion here!
Bran and LF: That look on LF's face when Bran gave him that 3ER look and said, "Chaos is a ladder." I think that's the first time I've seen real fear in LF's eyes. Even when Cersei had her guards slam him against the wall and threaten them to kill him after he said "Knowledge is power", LF didn't have this kind of fear in his eyes. Bran got him all the way down to the bones, and LF couldn't get away fast enough. Oh, and when Bran asked LF who the knife had belonged to - I'm waiting for Bran to find that out, but meantime so glad he gave it to Arya. Yes!
About Meera leaving -- I swear, Bran, I know you're the 3ER and all, but Jeez! It made ME sad when she mentioned Jojen, Hodor, and Summer all giving their lives for him (and Leaf, too). As much as I wanted to shake Bran and hug Meera, she nailed it, that Bran died back in that cave. I think I'm beginning to accept that this is the way Bran has to be because of who he is now and what he's got ahead of him to do. Loved it when he knew about Arya's list - and the expression on Sansa's face when she found out he really did 'know things'. I really felt for Sansa this episode, though, especially when she looked out and saw Arya and Brienne. It was so wonderful for Sansa finally, finally to have someone to look out for her, and this, a throwback to old times when Sansa would accuse Arya of ruining things. There was that sisterly tension in the crypt - Arya couldn't seem to loosen up when Sansa hugged her - when Arya hugged Sansa at the end of their conversation, I was really relieved.
About Arya and Brienne, though - how awesome was that?!!? Loved every minute of that, and Arya does have a little Bravosi 'water dance' to her style that just stands up and shouts Syrio. When Arya arrived at WF, though, and her
So much to say - Jon showing Dany all that dragon glass, but especially the markings by TCOTF and then the ones by TFM, and then, images of the Army of the Dead. I thought that was going to turn Dany around, till that clincher, " . . . when you bend the knee."
The Dothraki -- talked about this in the rating the episode thread, but just wanted to jump up and cheer when we started hearing their "whoops". And Dany and Dragon, so great, until Drogon was wounded (!) In my opinion, that battle tops the Battle of Blackwater Bay and the Battle of the Bastards.
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