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Post by nikma on Aug 13, 2017 21:41:40 GMT -5
But Jon knew that Arya and Bran were alive. That line was strange. he knew that bran was alive a couple years ago but i would assume he assumed he was dead after not seeing him come back from beyond the wall for all that time. and he never knew that arya was alive. nobody did (besides bran i guess). Sansa did, and she was speaking about her to him in 604.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 13, 2017 21:41:43 GMT -5
So glad I was never invested in Rhaegar and Lyanna's relationship. While people are fawning their love story like Helen of Troy, I'm feeling bad for what happened to Elia and her children. Like fuck Rhaegar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 21:42:05 GMT -5
But Jon knew that Arya and Bran were alive. That line was strange. he knew that bran was alive a couple years ago but i would assume he assumed he was dead after not seeing him come back from beyond the wall for all that time. and he never knew that arya was alive. nobody did (besides bran i guess). quite a few people knew Arya was alive? Brienne, Sansa etc.
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Post by lordcarson on Aug 13, 2017 21:43:10 GMT -5
he knew that bran was alive a couple years ago but i would assume he assumed he was dead after not seeing him come back from beyond the wall for all that time. and he never knew that arya was alive. nobody did (besides bran i guess). quite a few people knew Arya was alive? Brienne, Sansa etc. oh yeah i forgot about brienne
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Post by Envie on Aug 13, 2017 21:43:26 GMT -5
I sometimes feel like the only one who likes and empathizes with Rhaegar. I wonder what that says about me. You're not the only one. @nictarion and I are with you! What he did was wrong. But people in love do stupid things. Robb did something stupid too and got himself, his wife, his Mother and men killed for it. I think their choices were supposed to mirror one another... Jon's brother and Dany's brother ... just a hint.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 13, 2017 21:45:06 GMT -5
But Jon knew that Arya and Bran were alive. That line was strange. No he didn't. He knew Bran was alive some time ago and might have known that Brienne saw Arya but they're living in a pretty dangerous place so someone being alive some time ago is no guarantee they're still alive.
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Post by Lils on Aug 13, 2017 21:45:36 GMT -5
I sometimes feel like the only one who likes and empathizes with Rhaegar. I wonder what that says about me. But he was right... No Jon= everyone fucking dies. He was. Without him, a lot of these pieces wouldn't have fallen into place. I don't know. Elia had it hard and it's heartbreaking how she died. But some characters get a pass for falling in love, but I've never really seen Rhaegar given a pass. I'm quite serious when I say that I never see him defended or liked. But what he did is equivalent to what Robb did. He fell in love with another woman and set aside the person he was promised to. Betrothal was tantamount to marriage. In Medieval society, it was a marriage. But Robb is viewed sympathetically because why? It's not fair to call one a prick and then give the other a pass. Robb and Rhaegar are sympathetic to me. If you're not happy with someone, you're not happy. Isn't it worse to make someone suffer by staying in a marriage without happiness? Unhappy marriages have a way of deteriorating to the point where none of the good memories are left. That to me is more tragic.
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Post by nikma on Aug 13, 2017 21:46:14 GMT -5
You are right-
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 13, 2017 21:46:50 GMT -5
BTW - not sure I like Gendry's new haircut. He looked better with the shaggy hair
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Post by Lils on Aug 13, 2017 21:48:04 GMT -5
I sometimes feel like the only one who likes and empathizes with Rhaegar. I wonder what that says about me. You're not the only one. @nictarion and I are with you! What he did was wrong. But people in love do stupid things. Robb did something stupid too and got himself, his wife, his Mother and men killed for it. I think their choices were supposed to mirror one another... Jon's brother and Dany's brother ... just a hint. Well, that's something at least. No they are a lot alike and I think both men were supremely stupid, but it comes down to GRRM's favorite topic, which is the heart in conflict.
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Post by Envie on Aug 13, 2017 21:48:43 GMT -5
BTW - not sure I like Gendry's new haircut. He looked better with the shaggy hair Yeah I'm not sure why they went with a shaved head look but whatever, it's GENDRY. He'll need a good beanie hat up there north of the wall!
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 13, 2017 21:48:52 GMT -5
Robb is an idiot too but he was a teenage idiot. Rhaegar was a grown ass man who (like TheMadQueen said) humiliated his wife in public and ran off with someone.
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Post by Lils on Aug 13, 2017 21:50:07 GMT -5
Robb is an idiot too but he was a teenage idiot. Rhaegar was a grown ass man who (like TheMadQueen said) humiliated his wife in public and ran off with someone. Roslyn was no less humiliated and Robb publicly humiliated her.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 13, 2017 21:51:14 GMT -5
Robb is an idiot too but he was a teenage idiot. Rhaegar was a grown ass man who (like TheMadQueen said) humiliated his wife in public and ran off with someone. rhaegar was a medieval deadbeat dad. douuucheeeeeeeee
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Aug 13, 2017 21:51:42 GMT -5
Robb is an idiot too but he was a teenage idiot. Rhaegar was a grown ass man who (like TheMadQueen said) humiliated his wife in public and ran off with someone. Also people are probably more sympathetic to Robb cause of the manner of his death. Rhaegar died in a fair fight on a battlefield.
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