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Post by konradsmith on Aug 13, 2017 22:06:38 GMT -5
BTW - not sure I like Gendry's new haircut. He looked better with the shaggy hair i dont think its gendry's new haircut as much as it is joe dempsie's new haircut Or hairline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 22:07:00 GMT -5
Do you think they'd actually go for a romance route for those two next season? No.
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Post by Envie on Aug 13, 2017 22:07:03 GMT -5
I don't think that's a fair assessment of his character, given what those who have known him have said. I don't think there's going to be much traction in this crowd for sympathy to Rhaegar. I don't think we're going to know if what he did was for stupid love or because he truly believed in a prophecy. But as Davos said to Jon: "What does it matter? You go on..."
Jon Snow was born out of that, whatever it was, and he's now a legitimate heir to the throne. Not that that matters either. And that, I think, is the whole sad irony of the whole mess.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 13, 2017 22:07:17 GMT -5
So I guess the one good thing about Rhaegar was that he had drunk karaoke nights with Barry in Fleabottom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 22:10:06 GMT -5
I don't think that's a fair assessment of his character, given what those who have known him have said. I don't think there's going to be much traction in this crowd for sympathy to Rhaegar.  I don't think we're going to know if what he did was for stupid love or because he truly believed in a prophecy. But as Davos said to Jon: "What does it matter? You go on..."
Jon Snow was born out of that, whatever it was, and he's now a legitimate heir to the throne. Not that that matters either. And that, I think, is the whole sad irony of the whole mess. But it's not about making an heir. He had 2 already. Jon is more important than that. Him and Dany are Westeros' only shot at defeating the WW.
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Post by stannisforking299al on Aug 13, 2017 22:10:19 GMT -5
I don't think that's a fair assessment of his character, given what those who have known him have said. I honestly hope we never find out. I'd prefer they leave the moral ambiguity of some characters intact. The show hasn't done too well at crafting truly ambiguous characters (aside from Varys), I'd love there to be one character whose past remains shrouded. There's something to be said about leaving some things unfold in a story like this.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 13, 2017 22:10:34 GMT -5
I've talked a lot about Rhaegar on my blog. I don't give Robb a pass for what he did, it was foolish and it cost him his life. However, he was 15 and he shouldn't have died the way he did, that's the unforgivable part in that affair. I have a really hard time comparing what Robb did to what Rhaegar. In his instance he not only destroyed his marriage, abandoned his infant children, he also along with his father, brought down House Targaryen and destabilized Westeros to the point in never truly recovered from his and his fathers' actions.
The reckless and carelessness on his part are so beyond the pale. I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 22:11:03 GMT -5
I sometimes feel like the only one who likes and empathizes with Rhaegar. I wonder what that says about me. You're not the only one. @nictarion and I are with you! What he did was wrong. But people in love do stupid things. Robb did something stupid too and got himself, his wife, his Mother and men killed for it. I think their choices were supposed to mirror one another... Jon's brother and Dany's brother ... just a hint. I'm not sure I agree with this comparison at all. Robb was stupid in love, yes, but what Rhaegar did was beyond stupidity. It was flat out cruel. Robb would NEVER have cast aside any wife he took for another, no matter how in love they ended up. Ned taught him well, he'd likely never even entertain the thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 22:11:29 GMT -5
I don't think that's a fair assessment of his character, given what those who have known him have said. I honestly hope we never find out. I'd prefer they leave the moral ambiguity of some characters intact. The show hasn't done too well at crafting truly ambiguous characters (aside from Varys), I'd love there to be one character whose past remains shrouded. There's something to be said about leaving some things unfold in a story like this. Melisandre
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 13, 2017 22:11:39 GMT -5
I sometimes feel like the only one who likes and empathizes with Rhaegar. I wonder what that says about me. But he was right... No Jon= everyone fucking dies. Depends what he was thinking. He may have been right, but that does not mean everything he did was right. Martin has always loved the law of unintended consequences. Maybe he planned for Jon maybe not, maybe he thought it would be a girl. He thought his child might save the world seems or three of his children. Or something, he also thought he was the Prince. In chasing after Lyanna he accidently gave the world the the mother of Dragons. I don't think he meant to do that, but his possible savior he thought he was making seems to need a little help from the law of unintended consequences, aka Dany. It's a bit of theme with her, just ask the Dthraki and the slavers. I know what will scare her off, let's kill a bunch of kids. Ooops.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 13, 2017 22:13:25 GMT -5
Jon didn't even smile about the news about Arya and Bran. Kinda sad about it. Yeah, me too kind of but he does have other, more pressing things on his mind at the moment. Those two being alive means nothing if he can't stop the army of the dead. Also if the letter said anything about how Bran saw what he saw, that must be a bit confusing even to someone who died and lived again.
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Post by Lils on Aug 13, 2017 22:13:40 GMT -5
I love you guys, but I think I'll probably just bow out of this discussion thread. Everyone has a character that they feel strongly for and the hate they receive is too much. Rhaegar is mine.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 13, 2017 22:13:47 GMT -5
I wonder why Rhaegar went the annulment route instead of just going with polygamy. It's not like it hadn't been done before.
However, just to play Devil's advocate, Elia couldn't have any more children, and Rhaegar needed three to fulfill the prophecy. Elia might have give him the permission to take a second wife, especially if she would be the one sitting on the throne as queen one day, as the first wife.
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Post by izzue on Aug 13, 2017 22:13:57 GMT -5
HOLY SHIT! I'm just now watching - late - and got to the point where Gilly found a record of Raegar's annulment to Elia and to remarry!!!!! Holy Shit!
Now back to watching!
Holy Shite!
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Post by Envie on Aug 13, 2017 22:14:02 GMT -5
I don't think there's going to be much traction in this crowd for sympathy to Rhaegar. I don't think we're going to know if what he did was for stupid love or because he truly believed in a prophecy. But as Davos said to Jon: "What does it matter? You go on..."
Jon Snow was born out of that, whatever it was, and he's now a legitimate heir to the throne. Not that that matters either. And that, I think, is the whole sad irony of the whole mess. But it's not about making an heir. He had 2 already. Jon is more important than that. Him and Dany are Westeros' only shot at defeating the WW. Oh I agree! There's some sad irony in there though for Elia and her children as well as the fact none of it mattered for the thing everyone thinks is so important (The Iron Throne). This irony is smacking everyone in the face and still ... even as snow is falling around them, they're fighting about the Seven Kingdoms. The kid born of that shitty decision to follow love instead of duty is now the thing to make the throne not even matter. He doesn't even want it! Maester Aemon called it spot on about Rhaegar to Jon years ago: "What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?"
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