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Post by StarkL on Aug 20, 2017 23:34:21 GMT -5
Good thing someone brought up Rickon's death. Jon looked sad but Sansa didn't seem affected at all and yet I didn't see people trashing Sophie's acting or her feelings lmao
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Post by StarkL on Aug 20, 2017 23:35:33 GMT -5
In reality, no one seemed to care about poor Rickon except Jon. Arya and Bran... no mention about him at all.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 21, 2017 0:01:32 GMT -5
I've had some time to ponder on the Arya/Sansa interaction and while I was not crazy about it at first, now I understand it better. These girls are sister but they are also strangers to one another. And especially in Arya's case she's learned to trust no one. You know I think there is a lot of subtext in the episode, and a lot that is not said directly. I understand what you are saying and I agree but I think it is deeper that. A lot people have had Sansa in this pawn to player right role, and if she makes a mistake they get mad. When it is going on is not about her intelligence but her loyalty. It's how her story began. To this day she is with LF and really she shouldn't be, this guy belongs in a grave. I don't think Arya is out of line, I think she is angry. I think Arya knows LF had something to do with her family getting destroyed. I think she has an idea about the dagger. Littlefinger tricked her using the note, I think she realizes he wants to decide the family and knows he is using Sansa. Littlefinger tricked her with the note. I think Aray turned the tables, and does the exact same thing. That's why the dagger, the dagger used to start a war. Same thing he was trying to do with the note. So she gives the dagger to her. Arya is focused on the family and Sansa herself. Sansa's story from day one was about loyalty to the family. Here it has come full circle. Arya is basically saying this happened before. Check your shit and realize what he is doing, you're a Stark, act like it. She knows she shouldn't listen to him. And as Brie points out again, she is basically like Sansa girl stay away from LF you have no idea what he is doing. Arya has drawn a hard line. I think she realized the note and the dagger were one and the same, and that she got tricked, and baited Sansa using the note and waited for her. Arya is not the only one who thinks this Brie and Jon think it as well. But she hasn't listened. This part of the story is not about Arya so much as it is about Sansa. LF is hanging on by a thin thread. I think Arya is like I could kill him but Sansa needs to learn this. I don't think she is being harsh, I think she is family oriented. Look what happened to Mom and Dad, and Robb, don't you let them talk about Jon he is their King and your brother. with Sansa her story has always been about Loyalty to the family. The Lannisters used Sansa, and LF is using her and everyone knows it. Lannisters offered her shinny things at first. But they used her and tried to subvert the north using Tyrion. LF used her against her family in the vale to subvert it to his control. He played Sansa against her aunt using a kiss, He tried to use her to subvert the north, he married her to a Bolton. A fucking Bolton. He does not care about her, she is someone he uses, that's what he does he uses people. He is still trying to subvert the north, Sansa vs. Jon. Now Sansa vs. Arya. Arya warns her about people speaking out against Jon and pushing her forward. Sansa made an excuse. Her next conversation was about family and betrayel. Why? The letter she took from LF. It's not like she doesn't know LF is bad yet she goes to LF again to talk about Arya. LF starts playing her again. Sansa next gets rid of Brie. Why? Loyalty after seeing her Arya I think she questions who she would side with if that letter goes public. So she gets rid of her, she continues to focus on that letter, playing right into his hands that's what he wants. The note is the dagger all over again. She gets another letter, and Brie tells her flat out its not safe for her. As soon as she brings up her oath, Sansa becomes more curt and gets rid of her. she sneaks into Arya's room and busted. How do you feel about Jon being King, Sansa avoids the question. She pushes harder, she tells her what a FM can do, she could be anyone even her and find out the truth. She hands her the dagger and leaves. Why? The truth is not for Arya uts what Sansa is avoiding, the Truth about herself and LF. The scene is in stark contrast to Jon and Dany, similar lighting, two who are coming together and two being torn apart, both are about truth and unity. Family Sansa, remember who you are. The dagger is never a threat, it's about finding out the truth, it's about LF. The scenes have many layers. I think to many people think because Sansa is smart she can't make mistakes that she will outplay everyone, when in fact she is still being played, it's never stopped. There is a lot going on here. I really liked the scenes and thought Maisie and Sophie were excellent.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 21, 2017 0:47:14 GMT -5
Ah, that mystery is finally solved. So it's the zombie polar bear that they wrote into the past four seasons, but had to cut every time and they finally got it. They probably wanted it to appear at the Fist of the First Men back in S3.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 21, 2017 2:48:20 GMT -5
Really good stuff. Thought Arya was way out of line in her scenes with Sansa. Littlefinger certainly seems to be spinning quite a web of lies in Winterfell, turning this newfound Stark Kingdom against itself. It's really good work on his part, and is certainly working. The stuff beyond the wall ranged from good to great. Thought the character interactions were on point in the Suicide Skwad. The wight polar bear was glorious. Jon and Jorah were perfect. Dany and Tyrion seemed to kind of have it out this week. I don't think anything that happened between them was a big deal to be honest. They're in a super tense situation, tempers are sure to flair when dragons, zombies, and mad queens are all colliding. Them talking about her inability to have children seems to be laying the groundwork for her to, well, have a child. Dany's big rescue was great, if not a little convenient. The CGI was AMAZING. The fighting was incredible, music was great. Viserion Dany's reaction was perfect, shock and just a hint of terror. I thought Benjen swooping in was also a little too convenient. I also don't get why they couldn't both just ride away, but whatever. That's drama for you. The boat convo was great. Lots of feelings all kind of coming out at once. I liked it a lot. ICE DRAGON FUCKING CONFIRMED. I can't say it was convenient that Dany showed up, if she doesn't you lose Jon. The problem with finding the army of the dead is how do you get away from them once you find them. They can out run you easily. Plus it was a great setting. Personally I would of changed it a little and had Dany out of concern fly to Eastwatch, then when Gendry shows up the timing works out much better. Benjen made perfect sense to me, the last thing he said he was going to do was keep fighting the WW's. Well if you are going to fight them the Ranger is probably going to rack them because that's his actual job. He couldn't help them on the lake but after the WW's start moving on he has an opening. Seems normal to me that he would be doing what he told Bran he would be doing. Tracking them was his best bet, he couldn't really fight them in mass, but he could follow and see if anything happens and gather information.
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Post by breakfest on Aug 21, 2017 3:17:28 GMT -5
The issue was playing so much with the idea that we would ever lose Jon at this stage. It worked in Snowbowl because he was basically living on a death wish at that point, his season long arc was coming full circle. But here you're just waiting for Daenerys to save him. Then you're waiting for him to somehow get out of the water and escape the wights. For Benjen to just be a piece they had to slot in to get Jon out of there was ungainly.
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Post by breakfest on Aug 21, 2017 3:45:31 GMT -5
This thread usually has like 10 pages when I log in the next day. Stupid leaked episodes.
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Post by katjushka on Aug 21, 2017 4:52:28 GMT -5
This thread usually has like 10 pages when I log in the next day. Stupid leaked episodes. Yes, one of the biggest reasons I don't like it when stuff leaks.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 21, 2017 6:20:06 GMT -5
I almost felt bad for that wight that got his jaw knocked off. I mean, I doubt there's much interior life for a wight. They seem pretty listless when not fighting or, I guess, being specifically directed by the WWs. But still. He was just minding his own business at the time and lo and behold his jaw pops off. I doubt they're really all that sentient. But losing yer jaw when you're mulling about just waiting for some ice to freeze must be a drag.
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Post by Envie on Aug 21, 2017 6:38:58 GMT -5
I almost felt bad for that wight that got his jaw knocked off. I mean, I doubt there's much interior life for a wight. They seem pretty listless when not fighting or, I guess, being specifically directed by the WWs. But still. He was just minding his own business at the time and lo and behold his jaw pops off. I doubt they're really all that sentient. But losing yer jaw when you're mulling about just waiting for some ice to freeze must be a drag. Well for a wight with not much cranium left, he sure was a smart one. He was the trailblazer for the rest of the pack. The first to figure out that a big rock skittering across the ice means it's frozen hard enough to walk on! Great job there Sandor!
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 21, 2017 7:44:41 GMT -5
So is Sansa right, Would Arya survive what she did?
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Post by katjushka on Aug 21, 2017 7:48:18 GMT -5
So is Sansa right, Would Arya survive what she did? I don't know. But I doubt Arya would've stuck around for all that, she would've done something a long time ago even at the risk of her own life. Just like Sansa would've never gone through what Arya did. They can't be compared.
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