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Post by sercreighton on Aug 27, 2017 11:55:32 GMT -5
Take a look at the scene how many nobles are in the sept? She destroyed a good deal of the aristocracy herself. They were collateral damage, but she didn't change the whole system like HS wanted. HS wasn't exactly changing the whole system he was a fake. Lords would still be lords, the king and queen still the king and queen. He wanted more power for the faith and for himself. He wasn't really giving any power to the small folk, he was using them. Historically and politically in the real world and Westeros, it's not uncommon for the church to have done this. Baelor the Blessed was King and a huge supporter of the church. Westeros has people who are religious and not religious just like us. There were people who refused to change religion on threat of execution like Davos. People Mel burned for it, Nobles who supported the Highe Sparrow and those that didn't. Lots of people find religion poor and rich alike. It wasn't black and white like or nothing. Same is the case with Dany and the lords. Some would probably support and others not. Some might stay nuetral, they tend to weigh their options and decide what benifits them the most. Same with the church, very religious houses would probably support the sparrow and others would look to Cersei. It's more complex than yes or no. In history, the books and the show that is generally true. Though this season the cut out most ofthe fine details and focused on big picture. The Blackfye rebellions are good case of theses types of decisions, along with most other wars, and political uprisings. The church found tons of support against Maegor the cruel. Every situation is different. Most do what will benifit them the most. Black and white debates find footing difficult in a series known for being grey. You are both partially right, but it's not yes or no, it's a classic Martin maybe. I think we are seeing more black and white this season because those finer details are essentially cut out. I tend to like the finer details, but I get why it's being done. Joe Dempsey, Gendry we don't get much fine detail from him and the motivation is only glossed over but.it essentially cuts to the chase. Things have been a little rushed this season. I think 8 episodes would have done the trick, just slow the pace a bit and add a little fine detail. Doesn't need to be any battles just a little richness and seasoning.
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Post by nikma on Aug 27, 2017 11:55:54 GMT -5
My top 3 of hype is: 3.) Castbowl 2.) Sansa sentencing LF to die. 1.) THE WALL FALLING! So basically everything?
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Post by nikma on Aug 27, 2017 11:59:02 GMT -5
I can't wait for Tyrion and Cersei's scene. And Arya and Sansa's after LF's death. And Theon and Jon's OMG.
I don't think this finale will be better than S6, but it has potential to be in TOP 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 11:59:26 GMT -5
LF dying doesn't feel earned IMO. Not after two seasons of him being shit. Last episode where he was entertaining was 6x04. It's weird because the show loves making villains superior to the protagonists, like they did with Ramsay, Cersei, and most likely will with NK (but he should be superior anyway), but they have made LF a loser. Of course it makes sense that Petyr's game doesn't work in the North, but his incompetency doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 27, 2017 12:00:39 GMT -5
My top 3 of hype is: 3.) Castbowl 2.) Sansa sentencing LF to die. 1.) THE WALL FALLING! I hope the LF execution does not fall flat. I got a little queasy thinking about the episode 6 line of you could never of survived what I did, turning to the you are the strongest person I know line just an episode later. Dialogue is a little childish. I am also worried about them pulling off the wall falling do to unfire which is just blue fire.
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 27, 2017 12:13:58 GMT -5
You should follow your own advice. I thought you were done with this discussion? What happened? I said I would no longer participate in the discussion and that we are going in circles. My gif emphasised the latter. I think it would be for the best to let this go. I never said I would abandon the thread, because last time I checked this thread was still dedicated to leaks. Maybe go and work on your reading comprehension. Why are you so angry? You said earlier you were done with this discussion and that you wouldn't respond to me if I responded to your last post. I respected that and steered clear of you. Then you come back with this cutesy let it go taunt and now you're insulting me. We can disagree, but you don't have to get nasty over something so small. It's not a good look.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 27, 2017 12:18:02 GMT -5
LF dying doesn't feel earned IMO. Not after two seasons of him being shit. Last episode where he was entertaining was 6x04. It's weird because the show loves making villains superior to the protagonists, like they did with Ramsay, Cersei, and most likely will with NK (but he should be superior anyway), but they have made LF a loser. Of course it makes sense that Petyr's game doesn't work in the North, but his incompetency doesn't sit well with me. For me it's 4x08. I think after that his weaknesses were exposed a lot more and by the time his character had become involved with the Northern storyline, his competence was already diminishing. We know from the books there's the prophecy that Sansa slays the giant in Winterfell so I think it has been building up to this moment, it will just be more fluid there. I'm not really sad to see him go though, despite him being portrayed as clumsy in his scheming now. I thought he was an interesting character for the first three seasons, but his role in starting The War of the Five Kings has finally come back to haunt him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:23:24 GMT -5
I said I would no longer participate in the discussion and that we are going in circles. My gif emphasised the latter. I think it would be for the best to let this go. I never said I would abandon the thread, because last time I checked this thread was still dedicated to leaks. Maybe go and work on your reading comprehension. Why are you so angry? You said earlier you were done with this discussion and that you wouldn't respond to me if I responded to last post. I respected that and steered clear of you. Then you come back with this cutesy let it go taunt and now you're insulting me. We can disagree, but you don't have to get nasty over something so small. It's not a good look. Because it didn't even occur to you that I meant all of us with that gif. That this discussion was going nowhere and that it would be for the best to, well - let this go. Since this is the Leakbowl and the discussion was not moving forward, I think it's best to focus on leaks and 707 again. Instead you took my gif personally and felt the need to sass me. What kind of response were you expecting from me? I'm not angry - not really anyway - and you made your points. I disagree with them obviously, but I respect you. Now let's drop this topic.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 27, 2017 12:26:12 GMT -5
I actually think he's been entertaining this season for the first time in a while. Him working at this personal level and getting under the sibling's skin like he has, has been pretty interesting. Obviously the finale is what will make or break this storyline but I've actually enjoyed Gillen's work this season. Which isn't common for me. The accents still ever-changing but his snake-in-the-grassness, suggesting things and subtly planting ideas rather than being overly-bold, has brought him back to his s1 insidiousness.
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Post by nikma on Aug 27, 2017 12:29:44 GMT -5
I think with LF the question for D&D always was how to make him smart enough, but still flawed enough so he would end up in corner and loose.
And another problem is that yes, he was a character who affected the plot, but his main purpose was to be Sansa's antagonist, so he never was able to really achieve something great, like taking the IT.
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 27, 2017 12:30:53 GMT -5
I just don't think that what Cersei did was insane. I think it was rational to be honest. They were political enemies, just like Starks at RW. If Tywin wasn't insane than Cersei isn't as well. Evil yes, insane, no. Dany's arrival was gift for her, because every dictator needs an enemy to stabilize his position. But whatever at this point. We see what she did as a way to get rid of political enemies. The lords of westeros see her as murdering her uncle, daughter in law and members of the nobles families who are sworn/allied/related to her son. From the perspective of the average lord of westeros that is insane. The plot has to fit inside the internal logic of the the world the characters live in. This invasion plot really doesn't, the writers are attempting to square a peg in a round hole. It doesn't fit as nothing compares to what Cersei did, not even the Mad King. That is the biggest joke of all.
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Post by nikma on Aug 27, 2017 12:31:51 GMT -5
And I agree that the way LF worked this season was really subtle. In the past it didn't seem like it was hard for him to manipulate Cersei or Lysa.
Especially in his scene with Sansa in E6 when he was defending Arya.
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 27, 2017 12:36:23 GMT -5
Why are you so angry? You said earlier you were done with this discussion and that you wouldn't respond to me if I responded to last post. I respected that and steered clear of you. Then you come back with this cutesy let it go taunt and now you're insulting me. We can disagree, but you don't have to get nasty over something so small. It's not a good look. Because it didn't even occur to you that I meant all of us with that gif. That this discussion was going nowhere and that it would be for the best to, well - let this go. Since this is the Leakbowl and the discussion was not moving forward, I think it's best to focus on leaks and 707 again. Instead you took my gif personally and felt the need to sass me. What kind of response were you expecting from me? I'm not angry - not really anyway - and you made your points. I disagree with them obviously, but I respect you. Now let's drop this topic. You meant that gif for me. Don't play.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 27, 2017 12:38:33 GMT -5
Because it didn't even occur to you that I meant all of us with that gif. That this discussion was going nowhere and that it would be for the best to, well - let this go. Since this is the Leakbowl and the discussion was not moving forward, I think it's best to focus on leaks and 707 again. Instead you took my gif personally and felt the need to sass me. What kind of response were you expecting from me? I'm not angry - not really anyway - and you made your points. I disagree with them obviously, but I respect you. Now let's drop this topic. You meant that gif for me. Don't play. I wonder why.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:41:51 GMT -5
Because it didn't even occur to you that I meant all of us with that gif. That this discussion was going nowhere and that it would be for the best to, well - let this go. Since this is the Leakbowl and the discussion was not moving forward, I think it's best to focus on leaks and 707 again. Instead you took my gif personally and felt the need to sass me. What kind of response were you expecting from me? I'm not angry - not really anyway - and you made your points. I disagree with them obviously, but I respect you. Now let's drop this topic. You meant that gif for me. Don't play. Are you for real now? I saw you and Nikma going back and forth. Of course I meant you too, but not just you. Jesus dude, maybe I was onto something after all when I posted that gif.
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