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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:11:34 GMT -5
I'm really confused with regard to the reactions to 706. I haven't seen the episode yet, but it seems like one half of the fandom is extremely disappointed and the other half thinks it's a top 3 episode. I mean every GoT episode is controversial if one looks at the fandom in its entirety. But only seldom like this.
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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 19:23:40 GMT -5
I'm really confused regarding the reactions to 706. I haven't seen the episode yet, but it seems like one half of the fandom is extremely disappointed and the other half thinks it's a top 3 episode. I mean every GoT episode is controversial if one looks at the fandom in its entirety. But only seldom like this. I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 18, 2017 19:27:12 GMT -5
Wonder what S8 has in store for Varys. He can't really contribute in the war against the WW. I guess he'll update the others on whats going on in the south. It's a strange setup to say the least. Something is going to feel anti climactic. It's only 6 episodes so 8 years of waiting and the White Walkers are splitting time with Cersei. Oh Cersei and Euron. Sansa, Varys, Tyrion, don't seem to have much to do either. Theon will try and rescue Yara. Euron, Theon Yara should resolve. This has all of 15 minutes of setup and I am doubtful it takes up much time. Mel needs to resolve, not sure how. Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei needs to resolve. Jon parantage needs to resolve Jon and Dany needs to resolve. The crown needs to resolve. the war for the Dawn and Night King needs to resolve. Bran needs to resolve. All in what will be half a season. Makes me feel like things will get cut short. Throwing in the Gold Company if they even show up just adds to the pile. 20-30 minutes to resolve each, And it would nice if they added some backstory to the night King. Right now he is just a metaphor for death.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 18, 2017 19:33:00 GMT -5
I'm really confused regarding the reactions to 706. I haven't seen the episode yet, but it seems like one half of the fandom is extremely disappointed and the other half thinks it's a top 3 episode. I mean every GoT episode is controversial if one looks at the fandom in its entirety. But only seldom like this. I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Well there is that and ummm "caugh Jonsa" fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:35:12 GMT -5
I'm really confused regarding the reactions to 706. I haven't seen the episode yet, but it seems like one half of the fandom is extremely disappointed and the other half thinks it's a top 3 episode. I mean every GoT episode is controversial if one looks at the fandom in its entirety. But only seldom like this. I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Winterfell is definitely dividing people, but I've actually seen a lot of criticism directed towards the wight hunt as well. People keep complaining about the logistics (where did the WW get that chain from? how did they get underwater? How did Dany travel so fast? etc.) and I've also seen a lot of comments about it not being set up well, because of how it doesn't make sense to get a wight just for Cersei, considering that almost her entire army has been decimated anyway, so why would they need her? But that's an 705 issue IMO. They should have gone with "the southern lords need to be convinced that the army of dead is real" instead of just Cersei. Anyway, I need to see the episode for myself to see if any of this is justified. I'm just curious to hear what y'all think, especially people like you and TheArchmaester, who really seem to have enjoyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:35:48 GMT -5
I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Well there is that and ummm "caugh Jonsa" fans. This has nothing to do with Jonsa. I'm not on Tumblr.
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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 19:35:49 GMT -5
I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Well there is that and ummm "caugh Jonsa" fans. I've said this enough in the Jon/Daenerys thread I feel like a broken record ... Tumblr seems to be the only real source of a large Jonsa crowd and I don't understand why people are so obsessed with it (and hating Daenerys) there. Thankfully Tumblr is a very small portion of social media in the fandom so I don't have to read about it on mainstream media or see hate videos on youtube. Even reddit seems fairly even keeled about it.
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 18, 2017 19:38:19 GMT -5
I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Well there is that and ummm "caugh Jonsa" fans. They crazy AF lol
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 18, 2017 19:39:44 GMT -5
I have no idea how fast dragons fly so no problem there. I imagine they can fly pretty damn fast. As for the wights having a chain, the NK's a resourceful guy, is it too out-there to consider that he might've in his centuries of leading a zombie horde maybe come across a chain? Apparently it's an anchor chain to a ship in the frozen lake or something (according to some redditor or another) but I haven't examined it that closely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:41:21 GMT -5
I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Winterfell is definitely dividing people, but I've actually seen a lot of criticism directed towards the wight hunt as well. People keep complaining about the logistics (where did the WW get that chain from? how did they get underwater? How did Dany travel so fast? etc.) and I've also seen a lot of comments about it not being set up well, because of how it doesn't make sense to get a wight just for Cersei, considering that almost her entire army has been decimated anyway, so why would they need her? But that's an 705 issue IMO. They should have gone with "the southern lords need to be convinced that the army of dead is real" instead of just Cersei. Anyway, I need to see the episode for myself to see if any of this is justified. I'm just curious to hear what y'all think, especially people like you and TheArchmaester, who really seem to have enjoyed it. But Cersei controls a good amount of the southern lords. Yeah a lot of the Lannister army has been wiped out, or switched sides, but Tyrion knows Cersei well enough not to underestimate her. She's got the IB behind her and is still sitting on the IT. I personally don't see the problem with it.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 18, 2017 19:45:24 GMT -5
When you remember there'll still be 50-60 minutes of other material in the finale subsequent to the Dragonpit.
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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 19:47:26 GMT -5
especially people like you and TheArchmaester, who really seem to have enjoyed it. Well for me, I was honestly fearing the Winterfell stuff. In fact it's the conflict we had over it here when the ep first leaked that pretty much sealed my fate in needing to watch it early. I needed some sort of inner conflict resolution about Arya. Thankfully her scenes with Sansa were actually very well done and I wasn't as upset about it as I thought I would be based on others comments. Did I 'like' it? No, but it was still powerfully done and raised a lot of questions about Arya's motives (and Sansa's too for that matter) which is good drama. It helps tremendously that Sophie and Maisie are really kickass on screen together and have great chemistry after so many years apart in the story. I dislike seeing Arya behaving a little too 'dark' for my tastes but as others have explained, it's understandable considering what she's experienced. Her Faceless Man training really comes to a point in this episode. It brings you back to those rather dark scenes she had with the Waif and Jaqen (the lying game) and some of the psychological trauma they put her through. She turns that on Sansa and it's quite believable and frightening. The first scene of them together makes sense - it's the conflict over the letter. Arya should know better than to blame Sansa for the contents of that letter knowing she was being manipulated at the time by Cersei and the entire small council really. But Arya's point makes sense from her perspective having not been there. The scene really stresses how vastly different the two sisters are from one another and how much they've changed over the years. In the second scene, Sansa finds Arya's bag of 'faces' and of course Arya comes in on her so she's rightfully pissed about her privacy being invaded (nevermind she just got done doing snooping in Littlefinger's room) but instead of showing anger, she goes for her best creepy/dark Faceless Man stuff which understandably freaks Sansa right the fuck out. Sansa holds it together pretty well all things considered. She was threatened by Arya ... who doesn't actually want to kill her sister, just scare her a lot (I think). It was a test to see if Sansa's telling the truth or not. I also think Arya's reaction at the end was pretty telling, but very subtle. She knows Sansa has thoughts of being in power but doesn't want Jon gone and doesn't hate Arya either. Once I could chew through it all in my head and make sense of the Arya/Sansa scenes, it upped my enjoyment of the episode tenfold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:50:10 GMT -5
Winterfell is definitely dividing people, but I've actually seen a lot of criticism directed towards the wight hunt as well. People keep complaining about the logistics (where did the WW get that chain from? how did they get underwater? How did Dany travel so fast? etc.) and I've also seen a lot of comments about it not being set up well, because of how it doesn't make sense to get a wight just for Cersei, considering that almost her entire army has been decimated anyway, so why would they need her? But that's an 705 issue IMO. They should have gone with "the southern lords need to be convinced that the army of dead is real" instead of just Cersei. Anyway, I need to see the episode for myself to see if any of this is justified. I'm just curious to hear what y'all think, especially people like you and TheArchmaester , who really seem to have enjoyed it. But Cersei controls a good amount of the southern lords. Yeah a lot of the Lannister army has been wiped out, or switched sides, but Tyrion knows Cersei well enough not to underestimate her. She's got the IB behind her and is still sitting on the IT. I personally don't see the problem with it. I think that makes sense, however, the scene in question from 705 was way too rushed and needed a couple more minutes, because the scene actually contains a pretty drastic plottwist. Imagine not knowing about it from spoilers. I would have been like "wait...what...why?" It wasn't nearly as fleshed out as it needed to be. I think the plan makes sense in principle, but the writing should have been more elaborate. I think that's fair to say.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 18, 2017 19:51:53 GMT -5
especially people like you and TheArchmaester, who really seem to have enjoyed it. Well for me, I was honestly fearing the Winterfell stuff. In fact it's the conflict we had over it here when the ep first leaked that pretty much sealed my fate in needing to watch it early. I needed some sort of inner conflict resolution about Arya. Thankfully her scenes with Sansa were actually very well done and I wasn't as upset about it as I thought I would be based on others comments. Did I 'like' it? No, but it was still powerfully done and raised a lot of questions about Arya's motives (and Sansa's too for that matter) which is good drama. It helps tremendously that Sophie and Maisie are really kickass on screen together and have great chemistry after so many years apart in the story. I dislike seeing Arya behaving a little too 'dark' for my tastes but as others have explained, it's understandable considering what she's experienced. Her Faceless Man training really comes to a point in this episode. It brings you back to those rather dark scenes she had with the Waif and Jaqen (the lying game) and some of the psychological trauma they put her through. She turns that on Sansa and it's quite believable and frightening. The first scene of them together makes sense - it's the conflict over the letter. Arya should know better than to blame Sansa for the contents of that letter knowing she was being manipulated at the time by Cersei and the entire small council really. But Arya's point makes sense from her perspective having not been there. The scene really stresses how vastly different the two sisters are from one another and how much they've changed over the years. In the second scene, Sansa finds Arya's bag of 'faces' and of course Arya comes in on her so she's rightfully pissed about her privacy being invaded (nevermind she just got done doing snooping in Littlefinger's room) but instead of showing anger, she goes for her best creepy/dark Faceless Man stuff which understandably freaks Sansa right the fuck out. Sansa holds it together pretty well all things considered. She was threatened by Arya ... who doesn't actually want to kill her sister, just scare her a lot (I think). It was a test to see if Sansa's telling the truth or not. I also think Arya's reaction at the end was pretty telling, but very subtle. She knows Sansa has thoughts of being in power but doesn't want Jon gone and doesn't hate Arya either. Once I could chew through it all in my head and make sense of the Arya/Sansa scenes, it upped my enjoyment of the episode tenfold. And by giving her the dagger she's basically saying "ask Bran about this", which in the end will lead to the events of the finale.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:58:54 GMT -5
So would you say that 706 is better, worse or on par with 704? Forgive me for picking your brain like this. I'm curious.
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