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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 28, 2017 20:50:03 GMT -5
With more people try to avoid spoilers this time around, I figured it would be a good idea to create a predictions thread, a spoiler-free version. I don't expect it to be that active until much later on, but it's here so that you guys have a place to discuss away from the spoilery threads.
What do you hope to see next season? What do you think are the endgames for the main characters? Which characters are the most likely to die and why? How do you think the series will end?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 3:50:56 GMT -5
Has anyone thought about the possibility of the child of Cersei and Jaime ruling Westeros in the end, with Tyrion as Hand/Regent. I think it is more likely that the child inherits Casterly Rock though. If it lives.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 29, 2017 9:07:21 GMT -5
All my favorites die and I cry myself to sleep after the final episode.
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Post by Envie on Aug 29, 2017 9:13:50 GMT -5
Has anyone thought about the possibility of the child of Cersei and Jaime ruling Westeros in the end, with Tyrion as Hand/Regent. I think it is more likely that the child inherits Casterly Rock though. If it lives. Yes, I posted this in the 7x07 Post-Show Discussion thread Sunday night. I claim first rights to the theory! housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/post/53614Here is my personal theory/prediction list for Season 8: - Jaime will arrive in Winterfell and tell them Cersei lied to them all and he's joining their cause (yay!). This will help them prepare for the fallout of whatever comes from that direction (Golden Company). Jaime and Brienne will have a good reunion and talk about loyalty again.
- Bran will come out of his recent vision and warn everyone that the wall has come down at Eastwatch. Ravens will be sent to The Last Hearth to warn them as they are first in the path of destruction (if anyone is still there). Since we met little "Ned Umber" in Season 6, I expect he's still at Winterfell for safety since most Umber men were probably destroyed in the BotB.
- Tyrion is going to confront Jon and Daenerys about #epicboatsex but ultimately support the union and suggest they marry immediately to cement the political arrangement. This may even happen before they get to Winterfell... which would be pretty funny since the big news of Jon's identity is waiting there from Sam and Bran. It would be too late to 'take it back' or keep it secret at that point!
- Tormund and Beric, having been on the west side of the falling wall, survive and run along the top of the wall all the way to Castle Black (damn that's a long hike) where they join up with Edd and the remaining Night's Watch who head to Winterfell.
- The Vale will pledge to Sansa now that Littlefinger is dead (She's still related by marriage and blood via Lysa). Royce may even suggest Sansa marry Sweetrobin (who we never saw S7 haha, but eww) which ties in to Sansa's original story in the books. Again, this would hinge on whether Jon Snow stays Jon Snow or decides to openly accept his Aegon Targaryen titles.
- Cersei's pregnancy will not end right away and it will cause her to be paranoid now that Jaime has left her. She will sequester herself in the Red Keep and not address the people or nobles at all. I imagine with only Qyburn and mute Gregor for company, she is going to have less scenes until later in the season with probably one major scene with Euron and the Golden Company early on.
- Euron will return with the Golden Company as promised and demand Cersei weds him immediately. With Jaime gone, she may actually agree but I tend to think she's going to refuse him. She can't stand him and she already wed one man before she couldn't stand, she won't do it again. This may cause Euron to betray her.
- Theon will somehow catch Euron off guard outside King's Landing (maybe a "20 good men" kind of deal) and kill him, which relieves Cersei of her problem while keeping the Golden Company there. I expect Theon to then sail whatever's left of the Iron Fleet (who will follow him or Yara if she's actually alive) northward to White Harbor.
- The Golden Company will eventually join the great war somewhere outside King's Landing - maybe they head north? I think this because c'mon, who can resist fucking ELEPHANTS fighting against undead giants and wights?! This will be an epic battle scene.
- Bran and Sam will at some point reveal Jon's identity to him and I'm going to go with them all deciding to keep it a secret until after the great war. Jon's entire focus has always been on fighting the Night King, at the expense of all else (including common sense sometimes) so I don't see that changing now. Accepting his title and right to the throne doesn't fit his focus so I think he will make everyone keep it a secret ... Sam, Bran, Daenerys, Davos and Tyrion will be the only ones in on this secret, but possibly Sansa and Arya. This is great drama to keep it a secret as long as possible from everyone. The audience loves being in on the secret when the players don't know. That's been the point all along.
- If Theon doesn't immediately kill Euron, I suspect he's going to betray Cersei when she refuses to marry him and thus he turns the Golden Company on her too. THIS may be the catalyst that forces her to blow up King's Landing even before the army of undead arrive or maybe a combination of both being what drives her to it ... but the final straw may be when she sees or hears of Jaime fighting alongside Jon and Daenerys.
- Qyburn will deliver Cersei's baby, but she dies giving birth just as she's given the order to blow up King's Landing. Qyburn leaves with the baby and Gregor through the secret exits of the Red Keep and avoids the explosion. I hope this happens at the same time the undead are outside King's Landing fighting the Golden Company and Jon/Daenerys and whoever else from the North has survived and made it that far. I NEED an epic battle to happen outside King's Landing with Cersei watching from the Red Keep and deciding to blow the whole thing up because she's trapped! I never liked the Valonqar theories and they left it out of the show which leaves it open for her to die on her own terms. When Jaime sees the Red Keep exploding, he goes berserk and dies fighting in the great war battle, maybe against the night king himself as I suspect NK to have multiple major character kills.
- Later, in the aftermath of the great war, Qyburn will bring the baby to Tyrion, who will raise him/her at Casterly Rock.
- Jon and Daenerys will have a child too, but I'm less certain on this and I'm also not predicting which of them, or both/neither dies. It's the one area I just don't want to make guesses on! I will be surprised one way or another!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 10:47:33 GMT -5
Envie, I don't agree about Jon keeping his heritage a secret. It might not be his main focus, but Jon is 100000% not the type for this. He blew the alliance with Cersei all because he couldn't bring himself to tell a lie to her. Not only that, he was named King in the North because he was the son of Ned Stark. Jon accepted it reluctantly, but he will feel very, very differently knowing he accepted that on the basis of a lie. It will definitely not be kept a secret. And tbh, if it was to be kept a secret, what is the point? This is a big game changing twist that has been in the making since page 1 of book 1. It being kept a secret means it will have relatively no impact on anything imo.
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Post by Envie on Aug 29, 2017 11:01:34 GMT -5
Envie , I don't agree about Jon keeping his heritage a secret. It might not be his main focus, but Jon is 100000% not the type for this. He blew the alliance with Cersei all because he couldn't bring himself to tell a lie to her. Not only that, he was named King in the North because he was the son of Ned Stark. Jon accepted it reluctantly, but he will feel very, very differently knowing he accepted that on the basis of a lie. It will definitely not be kept a secret. And tbh, if it was to be kept a secret, what is the point? This is a big game changing twist that has been in the making since page 1 of book 1. It being kept a secret means it will have relatively no impact on anything imo. And neither was Ned. That's the brilliance of it. It brings back Aemon's words to Jon long ago on the wall: "Then your Father was a man in ten thousand. Most would not be so strong" in response to Jon saying Ned would have done what was right, no matter the cost. Ned kept a secret for the rest of his life. A lie. He contradicted his own strong desire for truth for it. When Jon realizes how much this lie cost Ned and how long it's been kept, he may have a much different view about it. My prediction is not that it will be kept a secret forever, btw, but that he will insist on keeping it between the few who will know until after the great war is won. He'll do this, and still bend the knee to Daenerys and still pledge the north to her (which itself will cause enough problems) because he knows it's the right thing to do to keep everyone focused on the war. The great war. That's all he ever focuses on. Don't forget, Jon covered up the fact of his resurrection to Daenerys and wouldn't let Davos finish telling it, nor would he answer Daenerys on it. He most certainly *is* the type if it means keeping the focus off of himself and on the real task at hand. He'll learn that Ned did in fact lie, but he also did the right thing. But that's ok if you disagree, neither of us will know for certain until either filming leaks come out and I buckle in and read them or Season 8 comes around in the future.
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Post by dje on Aug 29, 2017 11:29:55 GMT -5
Love your predictions Envie, I will pop back in and make my own once I have a little time.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 29, 2017 14:42:32 GMT -5
Envie , I don't agree about Jon keeping his heritage a secret. It might not be his main focus, but Jon is 100000% not the type for this. He blew the alliance with Cersei all because he couldn't bring himself to tell a lie to her. Not only that, he was named King in the North because he was the son of Ned Stark. Jon accepted it reluctantly, but he will feel very, very differently knowing he accepted that on the basis of a lie. It will definitely not be kept a secret. And tbh, if it was to be kept a secret, what is the point? This is a big game changing twist that has been in the making since page 1 of book 1. It being kept a secret means it will have relatively no impact on anything imo. And neither was Ned. That's the brilliance of it. It brings back Aemon's words to Jon long ago on the wall: "Then your Father was a man in ten thousand. Most would not be so strong" in response to Jon saying Ned would have done what was right, no matter the cost. Ned kept a secret for the rest of his life. A lie. He contradicted his own strong desire for truth for it. When Jon realizes how much this lie cost Ned and how long it's been kept, he may have a much different view about it. My prediction is not that it will be kept a secret forever, btw, but that he will insist on keeping it between the few who will know until after the great war is won. He'll do this, and still bend the knee to Daenerys and still pledge the north to her (which itself will cause enough problems) because he knows it's the right thing to do to keep everyone focused on the war. The great war. That's all he ever focuses on. Don't forget, Jon covered up the fact of his resurrection to Daenerys and wouldn't let Davos finish telling it, nor would he answer Daenerys on it. He most certainly *is* the type if it means keeping the focus off of himself and on the real task at hand. He'll learn that Ned did in fact lie, but he also did the right thing. But that's ok if you disagree, neither of us will know for certain until either filming leaks come out and I buckle in and read them or Season 8 comes around in the future. Some predictions: - Bran wargs Rhaegal. Rhaegal might die figthing Viserion. - Theon kills Euron and saves Yara. Theon dies in the process. - Jaime teams up with Edmure and head North with a Riverlands army. Can we please get some Blackwoods?.
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Post by Envie on Aug 29, 2017 14:45:50 GMT -5
- Jaime teams up with Edmure and head North with a Riverlands army. Can we please get some Blackwoods?. I especially like this one but man that's going to be one awkward reunion when those two meet again! I really do hope we get to see Edmure in Season 8 to get some resolution to whatever happened to him after the Freys were destroyed!
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 29, 2017 14:47:36 GMT -5
Jaime linking up with Edmure is a good idea. Jaime has ties to the Riverlands and the Tully family.
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 29, 2017 14:52:32 GMT -5
- Jaime teams up with Edmure and head North with a Riverlands army. Can we please get some Blackwoods?. I especially like this one but man that's going to be one awkward reunion when those two meet again! I really do hope we get to see Edmure in Season 8 to get some resolution to whatever happened to him after the Freys were destroyed! I was suprised we didn't hear anything about Edmure this season. With all the important Freys gone he should be free and taken Riverrun with Tully loyalists. I think Edmure will treat Jaime as shit . Then he will probably get a raven from Winterfell and agree to march north with Jaime ( And Bronn probably). And I would really appreciate a Blackwood functioning as Edmure's advisor.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 29, 2017 14:54:36 GMT -5
Cersei rides an elephant into battle and takes down a dragon!
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 29, 2017 19:52:06 GMT -5
Just read an interesting theory that Cersei will give birth to a boy and this boy is the Valonqar as he will be a little brother to Joff , Myrcella and Tommen . Not likely but a intersting thought.
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Post by Envie on Aug 29, 2017 20:02:56 GMT -5
Just read an interesting theory that Cersei will give birth to a boy and this boy is the Valonqar as he will be a little brother to Joff , Myrcella and Tommen . Not likely but a intersting thought. I've seen this one floating around as well since I've been reading to find out who else thinks maybe the baby will live, like me. I think there's some validity both for and against it. I am not a huge fan of the Valonqar prophecy because it was left out of the show entirely. They went through the trouble of doing a Maggy The Frog flashback with young Cersei but left it out. Now that could be because they didn't want to spoiler Cersei's death ahead of time (though book fans have known the same for so long anyways), or it could be because it's flat out not entirely true. As we have learned from Melisandre, prophecies are tricky things and often open to the interpretation of the person giving it. Let's take Mirri Maz Duur for example since it's now relevant to the story all this time later. She prophecized Daenerys would never have another child. But here we are speculating there's a good chance Daenerys gets pregnant with Jon. So if that's true, then it's also possible other prophecies were wrong. Mel's prophecy about Stannis certainly was wrong. Is she any more or less capable of giving real prophecies than Mirri Maz Duur or Maggy the Frog? But back to Cersei, I think it's entirely possible only part of Maggy's fortune telling was true and she could actually have a 4th living child just as much as that child could be what ends her life in birth. *Edit: It's also a good idea to point out here that "Valonqar" is like the Valyrian word for Prince. There's no gender. So it could be little brother -or- little sister.
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Post by dje on Aug 29, 2017 20:25:56 GMT -5
Alright, here's my predictions/ hopes for the final season: -Jon & Dany are married in the first episode to Unite the North and The South, before Jon learns of his parentage. Once He knows, he and Dany decide it doesn't matter they are related, who has the better claim since they are already married... Dany discovers she is pregnant. -Theon defeats Euron with Asha/Yara's help, she dies in the process leaving Theon as the Lord of the Iron Islands. -The War for the Dawn reaches KL, where a final stand is made, it takes all of our heroes to defeat the WW, epic dragon battle with Jon riding Rhaegal, Dany on Drogon against Un-Viserion with the NK as his rider. Bran wargs Viserion helping the other two dragons to kill their brother, Jon kills the NK on the ground, destroying the rest of the Walkers and the Army of the Dead. - Jaime returns to KL where he is forced to kill Cersei in an effort to save everyone else in KL before she can blow it up. The Hound kills the Mountain, with Wild Fire. -Jaime and Brienne return to Tarth, where they wed and live in peace. -Tyrion and Sansa return to Casterly Rock and resume their marriage as the Lord and Lady of the Rock. - Gendry is legitimized and continues the Baratheon line at Storm's End - Arya heads West of Westeros and is never heard from again -Sam becomes the Lord of Horn Hill, is named Warden of the South, and becomes Hand of the King - Bronn gets his castle, Harrenhal - Dany gives birth to a son, to continue the Targaryen line. She and Jon rule together, the perfect balance to one another. Bran returns to Winterfell, no longer the 3ER after the final defeat of the dead, he becomes the Lord of WInterfell... I know, a lot of wishful thinking here, and not really bittersweet, but, I will take it for now, 2019 is gonna be a long wait...
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