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I would be amazed if we ever see the Faceless Men ever again. What we got in 608 seemed like a conclusion to their role in the story (albeit a sloppy one)
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Arya is a goner for sure. Her enmity with the Faceless Men at the end of season 6 is a loose thread that needs to be tied up. The smirk that Jaqen gave her at the end was probably his realization that they will have to put her down once she is done with taking vengeance. Considering that the show usually ties up loose ends for important characters, i.e. Benjen, Arya will be eliminated by the FM towards the end of winter. This is foreshadowed in an un-subtle way during the first Jon chapter in AGOT. Ergh. Nah. That would be a pretty flop ending for her story. If she dies, she dies fighting the real enemy, not a random group of characters who have no relevance to anything outside of her story.
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Virtually Certain Deaths
Cersei Lannister - The safest pick on the board. I'm thrilled that she made it to Season 8, but she won't survive the series. Whether it's Jaime, Tyrion, Arya, the Night King, or childbirth, the Many-Faced God is coming for her. The fate of her unborn child is slightly more up in the air. Will it ever be born? Before the finale, I would have said no chance. Now, I think there's a small possibility that the child lives to be raised by Tyrion as the future of House Lannister.
Jaime Lannister - The Lannister twins will leave the world as they came into it, together. Although they may not be in the same place, at the same time. If Jaime is the one to end Cersei's life, then he will die with her, but while so many people are so set on the Jaime-is-the-valonqar theory that they believe it's virtually confirmed, I'm not. I think there's a chance that Jaime could die fighting the White Walkers, fighting side-by-side with Brienne (who could hold him as he dies, bringing about the "in the arms of the woman I love" element of Jaime's ideal death in an unexpected way). I don't see any way out for my favorite character, but he'll go out with as much bravery, heroism, and self-sacrificing redemption as this story can offer.
Melisandre - "I have to die in this strange country, just like you." The Red Woman may have a spotty track record with prophecy, but this is one prediction that she's going to get right. The only question is how. The White Walkers seem the most likely vector. Arya and Davos are also possibilities. But it's also possible that she just voluntarily relinquishes her hold on her extraordinarily long life once the Great War is over and her task is done.
Varys - Before 7x03, I would have thought he was safe. Now, I think his fate is sealed. Yes, it's possible that he will die in Westeros many years hence, but that could be said for any character, and Melisandre's prophecy of doom for the Spider was included for a reason. Hopefully, he'll know the Realm is in good hands before he goes.
Euron Greyjoy - He's been set up as a personal antagonist for Theon, and Theon will be his end. The only question is whether he takes his nephew and/or niece with him.
Gregor Clegane - I was never on the "Clegane Bowl confirmed!" hype train, but ... now it is. And there's no way that the elder Clegane will be the outright victor. FrankenMountain is doomed.
Beric Dondarrion - My dude has returned from death six times and enjoyed an extended lease on his most sojourn amidst the living, for which I'm very grateful. But he'll be surrendering his seventh and final life in The Great War. The only question is whether he'll go out in a blaze of glory against the Night King, or if he'll pass his life on to another character so that they can live again.
The Night King - It's fun to joke about him winning, but there's no sweetness in that ending, only bitterness. Jon and Dany will take him down, potentially with Bran and Arya there to assist.
UnViserion - Will Dany have to kill her resurrected child? Or will Bran be able to wrest control of him away from the Night King so that he can do one last act of good. Either way, undead ice dragons aren't made to last.
Lean Towards Dying (But Could Survive)
Theon Greyjoy - I'm gone back and forth on whether or not Theon's horrific suffering has shielded him from death, but his redemption arc reached a peak in the Season 7 finale. He not only won back the respect of his fellow Ironborn, but was forgiven by Jon and received the blessing that he's been wanting to hear for his entire life: "You're a Greyjoy and you're a Stark." I think he can now die once he rescues Yara. It's possible that both Greyjoy siblings could survive, but if one is to go, I now believe that Theon is more likely.
Jorah Mormont - With his greyscale death sentence lifted and his favor with the Dragon Queen restored, everything's being set up for him to sacrifice himself for Dany in the final season. I know that it’s a popular theory that he’ll join the Night’s Watch, but I don’t think the Night’s Watch will exist after the White Walkers are defeated. I do hope that he gets some reconciliation with Lyanna Mormont and the other members of his house before he goes. That’s the last unresolved thing for him to work through.
Tormund Giantsbane – He cheated death at Hardhome, Winterfell, the expedition north, and the fall of the Wall. One could be forgiven for thinking he’s invincible. But he’ll be fighting on the front lines in the Great War, and sadly I think that means his time will come. May Brienne show him some token of respect and affection for him to cherish before he goes.
Qyburn – If Qyburn is in King’s Landing when the reckoning comes, whatever form that reckoning takes, then I think he will fall. But he is such a wily player that it’s possible that he could slip away.
Grey Worm – Like Tormund, Grey Worm has cheated death a couple of times, and I am grateful that the show didn’t kill him off immediately after he consummated his relationship with Missandei. But also like Tormund, he’ll be fighting on the front lines. He would be a recognizable and potent casualty.
Eddison Tollett – I always thought Edd would die when the Wall fell … but he avoided that fate because the White Walkers hit Eastwatch instead of Castle Black. Still, I think he’ll link up with Tormund and Beric as they flee south to warn the others, and that he’ll continue to fight, which makes his death a real possibility.
Robett Glover – In a way, I see him as a stand-in for all of the Northern Lords save Lyanna Mormont (including Wyman Manderly, Cley Cerwyn, Alys Karstark, and Ned Umber). Many should fall defending their homeland, but Glover in particular has been such a fickle S.O.B. that I’d like to see him get a measure of humility and redemption. Let him behold the threat that Jon has been warning him about, find his spine, and give his life to protect the North.
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Could Go Either Way
Jon Snow – I’m genuinely torn here. On the one hand, I really want both Jon and Daenerys to live (and not just because I’m very invested in their relationship), and I do think that if the Iron Throne isn’t destroyed and a new system created, that Jon ruling as King – preferably with Dany ruling beside him as Queen – makes sense. But I can also see Jon sacrificing himself to defeat the Night King. To me, the fact that he’s already died once invokes Gandalf in many ways: “I’ve been sent back, until my task is done.” Jon’s task is to save the world from the White Walkers, and once that task is done, I could see him giving up his second life, or perhaps vanishing into the far North. But I hope that he lives. I’m not entirely wild about the idea that he dies for a second time, and Beric gives up his final life to resurrect him, but I suppose that would be a way to have their cake and eat it too.
Daenerys Targaryen – Between Dany and Jon, I long thought that Dany was the more likely of the two to die, largely on the basis of her visions in the House of the Undying in Season 2 (some of which may already have come to pass – turning away from the Iron Throne to head north to the Wall). But now, I think those positions may have flipped. The high likelihood that Dany will be pregnant with Jon’s child is a complicating factor, because unlike Cersei’s child, I’m virtually certain that Jon and Dany’s child will indeed be born. That means Dany needs to live to deliver it (and no, I do not believe she will die in childbirth). So either the Great War lasts long enough for Dany to carry the child to term (very possible), or she doesn’t die at all. I like to think that both Jon and Dany together represent The Prince That Was Promised/Azor Ahai – while I would be fine with it being Jon, I’m not wild about Dany being cast in the Nissa Nissa role. I’d be OK if it’s done well, but I hope that’s not where we’re heading.
Davos Seaworth – I desperately want Davos to live, and he’s got a better chance than many others. But he strikes me as the kind of character who will be willing to fight on the front lines even if he is, as he professes, not a fighter. Furthermore, Davos is one of the largest remaining characters outside of the core 8, and his death would be a real gut punch. So I’m concerned.
Brienne of Tarth – Brienne’s fate is somewhat linked with Jaime’s in that if Jaime does not in fact die while taking out Cersei, then the most likely scenario I see for his death would be him fighting in the Great War with Brienne at his side. In that case, I could see Jaime falling as a heartbroken Brienne bears witness to his final sacrifice … or I could see Brienne falling alongside Jaime, the two warriors and maybe-potentially-would-be-lovers wielding the two swords forged from Ice alongside one another, in defense of the Starks and the North. But if Jaime dies in the south, I think Brienne will live.
Sandor Clegane – Sandor has more unfinished business than most characters left in the story. He will certainly reunite with Arya and Sansa early in Season 8, and he will kill his brother before he dies. I could see him dying as a result of wounds sustained in that duel (although that may be too similar to the Oberyn-Gregor clash). I could also see him dying in the Great War after all of his personal conflicts have been resolved. But I would actually lean slightly towards him surviving, and finding some measure of peace at last.
Podrick Payne – All I want is for Podrick Payne to receive his knighthood in the final season. Once he does, he could die heroically. I lean slightly towards him living, but his death would have a large emotional impact relative to his role. Who doesn’t love Pod?
Yohn Royce – With Littlefinger gone and Robin Arryn unlikely to emerge from the Vale, Lord Royce’s primary purpose is to serve as the face and voice of the Knights of the Vale (much like Tormund is for the wildlings and Grey Worm is for the Unsullied). That offers him a small measure of protection, but that protection wanes the closer the story draws to his end. It would be somewhat poetic to see him die fighting the White Walkers when his son, Waymar Royce, was the very first casualty (and first onscreen death) of the entire series.
Tycho Nestoris – Mark Gatiss has confirmed that he will be returning for two episodes in the final season, so the Iron Bank still has a role to play. I could see a scenario in which he starts to hint about the Iron Bank withdrawing their support as Westeros gets wrecked, and Cersei lashes out in a fit of frustrated rage, killing him (which would do no good, as he’s merely an emissary). Otherwise, he’ll slither back to Braavos. The Iron Bank is a temple, and it will outlast us all.
Qhono – This barely counts, but he is our only named Dothraki. His death won’t break anyone up, so he’ll stick around until we don’t need a face for the Dothraki anymore.
Maester Wolkan – He won’t be fighting on the front lines, so he’ll be relatively safe, but he could be a casualty if Winterfell gets wrecked early in Season 8.
Drogon – Drogon will make it until very close to the end, and he’s probably the most likely dragon to survive. But I could envision a scenario in which all the dragons die (especially if both Dany and Jon perish) and magic fades from the world. That would definitely be bittersweet.
Rhaegal – Same as above, although I think Rhaegal is ever-so-slightly more likely to die than Drogon, if only because Jon will have less experience as a dragonrider than Dany does.
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Lean Towards Survival (But Could Die)
Arya Stark – I don’t think we’re losing any more Starks with the possible exception of Jon. But of Ned and Cat’s remaining trueborn children, I think that Arya is the most likely to fall because she’s the most likely to be fighting in the Great War. With her conflict with Sansa resolved, she has found some measure of peace (and she’ll find more once she reunites with Jon) but she’ll never be entirely content. In her darkest outcome, she could use her Valyrian steel dagger to take out a major villain – be it Cersei or even the Night King – and perish in the attempt. In her lightest outcome, she could kindle a romance with Gendry and unite the Stark and Baratheon houses, as Robert once predicted. On the bittersweet front, I’ve been quite enamored of the idea that she could end the series by sailing off to discover “What’s west of Westeros?” That’s the direction I’m leaning in now.
Bronn – If Bronn were to settle into an early retirement with his long-overdue castle and beautiful highborn wife as just recompense, no one would blame him. That being said, I do think Bronn will ultimately decide to fight in the Great War, especially now that Jaime has left King’s Landing and Tyrion has dropped hints about Bronn switching sides. He’ll be at risk if he does, but Bronn’s survived more dangerous situations than anyone could have ever expected. I think other secondary characters are more likely to fall before he does.
Missandei – Missandei won’t be fighting – her cost in the Great War is more likely to be losing Grey Worm and potentially Daenerys, which will break her heart. The only way that she could die is if there’s some calamity that wipes out a large faction of the good guys, in which she’s trapped and can’t escape. I do think that she’ll survive.
Yara Greyjoy – As I touched on when I discussed Theon, I think one of the Greyjoy siblings will fall, and with his path to redemption now clear, I think Theon is now more likely of the two (if Yara were to die, I think it would have happened this season). It’s possible that she dies at Euron’s hands just before or just after Theon rescues her, but I think she’s more likely to live and go on to lead the Ironborn onto a better path.
Lyanna Mormont – She’s the most likely of the Northern Lords to survive, unless they all get wiped out when Winterfell falls. In addition to being beloved, I think that the biggest story-related thing that she needs to do is extend formal absolution on behalf of House Mormont to Jorah, and that’s more likely to presage his death than hers.
Meera Reed – Meera may not even appear in Season 8, which would break my heart, though at least she would live. If she does come back in to the story, she would most likely do so as a way to bring Howland Reed in for final confirmation of Jon’s parentage. With Bran and Sam now in the know, Howland may be extraneous, but I’d welcome the opportunity to bring the Reeds back in to the story, especially if the Northern forces get pushed south past the Neck.
Ghost – I’m sure there will be riots if more direwolves die, and Ghost may be saved purely on the basis of the show wanting to avoid animating him in battle. Like the dragons, I could see all of the direwolves falling if the show goes for a “magic has faded from the world” type ending. But I think Ghost will make it.
Nymeria – Nymeria’s appearance in Season 7 may have been her curtain call, but perhaps she and her wolfpack will materialize to fight alongside Arya in Season 8, if the budget allows for it.
Daario Naharis, Jaqen H’ghar, Archmaester Ebrose, Edmure Tully, Robin Arryn, Aeron Greyjoy, Roslin Tully, Melessa Tarly, Talla Tarly, Kinvara, etc. – I don’t think these characters are going to appear in Season 8. Edmure’s the most likely to reemerge, but I think he’s done. There’s perhaps a 20% chance that Daario returns as part of the Golden Company (not the leader, though), but I’d bet against that as well. These characters should be safe by simply by remaining off screen.
Most Likely to Survive
Tyrion Lannister – Tyrion is probably the best candidate to lead whatever form of political system emerges from the chaos of the Great War, especially if Jon and Dany fall and the Iron Throne ceases to exist. I could see him and Sansa leading that initiative, potentially even to the point of resuming their marriage. And if Cersei and Jaime’s last child survives, Tyrion will be the one to raise it. House Lannister will live on. And Tyrion will get his vineyard. A round of Imp’s Delight for all!
Sansa Stark – After all that she’s suffered, I feel more confident about Sansa surviving the series than perhaps any other character. She will be the Lady of Winterfell, and play a big role in shaping whatever political system emerges after the Great War along with Tyrion. Given Sansa’s nightmarish track record with love and marriage, I don’t think that she needs to end up with anyone, but I do think that there is a chance that she could resume her marriage to Tyrion, or that the show could end by hinting at that possibility coming to pass some time in the future, after the credits roll (at the very least, I think the two will part on warm terms).
Bran Stark – Bran strikes me as the kind of character who will live on long past the end of the series, a kind of eternal watcher keeping the memory of those he knew alive until the time comes for him to pass his mantle on to the next guardian in line (I know that many have theorized that Bran will be the final POV chapter in the books, if they’re ever published). Within the show, I think that he’ll play a role in wresting control of UnViserion from the Night King, clearing the way for Jon and Dany to kill him once and for all. If the show goes with the “magic fades from the world” ending, then I don’t think Bran will die, but perhaps retreat in to the far North once again, disappearing into the mists of legend.
Samwell Tarly – While I don’t know if I’m on board with Sam writing the history of GOT/ASOIAF in universe, I do believe that he’s perhaps the story’s single safest character, and that he will survive as a chronicler of some kind. And he’ll shape the new political reality as well, either as the de facto Grand Maester or the new Lord Tarly.
Gilly – Killing Gilly would really only serve to make things dark and sad for Sam. I think that she’s safe, and that she and her son will go on to live a long and happy life. Good for her. Gilly’s great.
Gendry – Bringing him back in to the story solely to kill him off would be strange. I think that he will become the head of a reconstituted House Baratheon. Whether or not he will link up romantically with Arya is a more open question, though I do think that the show will at least tease the possibility.
Hot Pie – A few paragraphs ago, I said that Sam was the safest character on the board. That was incorrect. Hot Pie is. He said it himself. He’s a survivor.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Sept 5, 2017 23:18:09 GMT -5
Ergh. Nah. That would be a pretty flop ending for her story. If she dies, she dies fighting the real enemy, not a random group of characters who have no relevance to anything outside of her story. FM just letting her go like that is so anti climactic. Aren't they supposed to be super-secretive and super-competent? Are they such push overs that a girl can take training from them, learn (some of) their secrets and then walk out on them? All they did was to send one assassin after her. That didn't work so they are like....oh well. That wouldn't fit.
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Post by Lils on Sept 7, 2017 8:17:02 GMT -5
I honestly think that Dany/Jon will live. I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I'll mention it again. The theme of "together" has been heavy this season. A lot of different scenarios has had the word pop up for it to be a coincidence. I honestly think, much like Jaime/Cersei, Jonerys is going to live or die together. Their stories are merged in such a way that I don't see them being broken apart. We are told we will have a satisfying ending and there's nothing satisfying about the two major protagonists dying. GRRM prefers unity and now they Dany and Jon are unified, I think they are going to stay that way.
I think the bloodbath we've had from the beginning with characters was narrative. I'd be surprised if most of the main characters die. I think more likely than not, the majority are going to survive.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 7, 2017 8:50:41 GMT -5
I honestly think that Dany/Jon will live. I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I'll mention it again. The theme of "together" has been heavy this season. A lot of different scenarios has had the word pop up for it to be a coincidence. I honestly think, much like Jaime/Cersei, Jonerys is going to live or die together. Their stories are merged in such a way that I don't see them being broken apart. We are told we will have a satisfying ending and there's nothing satisfying about the two major protagonists dying. GRRM prefers unity and now they Dany and Jon are unified, I think they are going to stay that way. I think the bloodbath we've had from the beginning with characters was narrative. I'd be surprised if most of the main characters die. I think more likely than not, the majority are going to survive. I second this. The theme of together was too strong this season to ignore. It's clear to me that together they are much stronger as rulers and leaders than they could ever be apart.
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Post by Lils on Sept 7, 2017 10:01:24 GMT -5
I honestly think that Dany/Jon will live. I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I'll mention it again. The theme of "together" has been heavy this season. A lot of different scenarios has had the word pop up for it to be a coincidence. I honestly think, much like Jaime/Cersei, Jonerys is going to live or die together. Their stories are merged in such a way that I don't see them being broken apart. We are told we will have a satisfying ending and there's nothing satisfying about the two major protagonists dying. GRRM prefers unity and now they Dany and Jon are unified, I think they are going to stay that way. I think the bloodbath we've had from the beginning with characters was narrative. I'd be surprised if most of the main characters die. I think more likely than not, the majority are going to survive. I second this. The theme of together was too strong this season to ignore. It's clear to me that together they are much stronger as rulers and leaders than they could ever be apart. It's crazy how their stories feel incomplete to me without the other now. Two halves now found a whole.
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Post by charliexcx on Sept 8, 2017 2:02:48 GMT -5
I second this. The theme of together was too strong this season to ignore. It's clear to me that together they are much stronger as rulers and leaders than they could ever be apart. It's crazy how their stories feel incomplete to me without the other now. Two halves now found a whole. I feel the same way. I now see them as one. Probably why throughout the story they both fit the Azor Ahai prophecy because their union =one. Kudos to GRRM writing.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Sept 8, 2017 7:45:37 GMT -5
UnViserion - Will Dany have to kill her resurrected child? Or will Bran be able to wrest control of him away from the Night King so that he can do one last act of good. Either way, undead ice dragons aren't made to last. I've been thinking a lot about Viserion, and the statement which Dany made in the Dragonpit. "A dragon is not a slave." Can the NK fully control V, or will he fight against the obvious hive mentality of the dead? It would be interesting if V himself were responsible for the destruction of the NK, Drogon and Rhaegal helping V find himself again rather than just outright killing their brother would be better TV, at least in my opinion.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 8, 2017 8:29:08 GMT -5
UnViserion - Will Dany have to kill her resurrected child? Or will Bran be able to wrest control of him away from the Night King so that he can do one last act of good. Either way, undead ice dragons aren't made to last. I've been thinking a lot about Viserion, and the statement which Dany made in the Dragonpit. "A dragon is not a slave." Can the NK fully control V, or will he fight against the obvious hive mentality of the dead? It would be interesting if V himself were responsible for the destruction of the NK, Drogon and Rhaegal helping V find himself again rather than just outright killing their brother would be better TV, at least in my opinion. I thought about this before the events of this season, when we were discussing the books and what the dragonhorn will do. Dany said that same thing in season 3, so we've know about it for a while. I thought that maybe he would at first fall under the spell of the dragonhorn but maybe when asked to attack his mother and brother, he resists. As you say that would make amazing TV.
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Post by belle on Sept 8, 2017 9:01:33 GMT -5
I just want one surprise death. just one. now that its basically confirmed in my eyes that both jon and dany will survive and get the throne. to me, the jon/dany storyline is the most predictable one for season 8. cersei's is pretty predictable too, but its still a little shaky on what the context of her death will be imo. her trying to burn KL is the most likely one but i can't actually think if there was any real foreshadowing for that in season 7?
sansa,arya, and bran's endings i don't really know either. but i think they'll all survive.
i'm asking for one surprise death from one of the major secondary characters, c'mon D&D give it to me please lol
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Post by belle on Sept 8, 2017 9:02:46 GMT -5
also i want jorah to sacrifice himself for dany.
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"Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna, and thousands died for it..."
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"Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna, and thousands died for it..."
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Post by Lils on Sept 8, 2017 9:39:24 GMT -5
Who is going to die next season? The hardcore viewers...because the show is over.
It is known.
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