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Post by Envie on Apr 30, 2018 10:02:38 GMT -5
You know what I do find amusing about fire and blood? It's once again about the Targaryens. When I first got into the series, the first 3 books were out, swords had just come out. I would not revisit the series after swords for half a decade because dipstick got busy, oh I mean suddenly became a slow writer. I remember the first few chapters of thrones being in the north. Gosh who are these Starks and who is this Jon Snow? Is he the special, oh I smell special so pretty much the same reaction everyone has. Then came Dany, eeeeeek, two specials? Love story. I think many fans thought the exact same thing. And here I stand almost 2 decades later, and if the show had not of happened I'd still be sitting there like an idiot waiting for Slowy the 8th dwarf to write about the magical princess and the young prince. Hilarious essay as ever sercreighton - you never fail to make me laugh. I am glad the series started with the Starks. I don't think it would have been as attractive or drawn the reader in the same way if it had begun with the Targaryens. As much as I love them and their weird family history, I do recognize them to be more of the standard high fantasy type story. There are tons of fantasy writers out there with typical dragon and magic stories. Game of Thrones stood out not only because GRRM is a great writer of detailed world-building, but because it began in a strange place with a strange story (The White Walkers and north of The Wall). This was ultimately what kept me curious all these years and hopefully ends the saga in a meaningful way. The historical account of the Targaryen dynasty probably isn't all that exciting to a lot of people and based on just the small sampling in our fan group here, it's not a popular choice for another offshoot in George's meandering epic saga. I am reminded of The Silmarillion by Tolkien as a similar comparison. Where many were big fans of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, Tolkien's ponderous journey through the early ages of his world were not easy to digest and even I couldn't finish them. But anyway, here we are with a likely ponderous journey through Targaryen history coming at us instead of the much needed Winds of Winter. I wonder how many diehard fans will stick with it even once the spinoff series are announced? That's honestly the main reason I want to read Fire and Blood. No one has commented yet whether they think one of the spinoffs is going to be the Targaryen eras and if that will even be popular. If HBO does it in the same fantasy/CGI vein as GoT (their dragons are quite impressive nowadays) it will probably be a hit.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 30, 2018 17:40:44 GMT -5
Rouge Prince was basically an extended wiki page. Still he found time to write it, but I think this was something right out of his notes for fire and blood. I'll probably get it as well, but I a, going to hate myself after the fact. I just don't get the Winds thing. 7 years is enough time, and soon it will be 8. I would also very much like the next Dunk and Egg, not sure on what's holding that up. It's obvious he likes writing about Targs, so write about the only two currently alive already. Only thing I ask is that unlike the world book Ser Kermit and Ser Elmo stay out of the books, completely took me out of the world book. I think he's just waiting for the show to end in order to publish Winds. Why? Who knows. Maybe he didn't want them to go out simultaneously after ADWD. Checked my home page today, had 11 notifications, was wondering what a said this time. Phew! Nothing major. That's probably true but he said he's not doing that so either a lie or he's telling the truth. The show is long past winds and still waiting, but his claims about being close always seem to be based on when the show will end. Show says eight seasons, and his almost close becomes nothing, then the show says two years before season eight and close once again becomes oh darn not close. I don't know he doesn't have to write anything but it still pisses me off. You know it reminds me of, the ice cream man. When I was a kid the ice cream truck was a big deal, and when you heard those bells going you would stop whatever you were doing, and be all "Ice Cream! Ice Cream! The Ice Cream man is coming! Ma! Ma! Throw down some money! It's the ice cream man! And your ass would go running after the truck, and that dickhead driver would make you run like 5 blocks, slow down, and then when you got close he would go another block. Then you finally catch up, he pulls over with his big pedo smile on his face. "what can I get you kids?" And your ass was all out of breath, and you are looking at the pictures of all the different ice cream bars. And you like oh boy, I'll have a chocolate eclair bar. "Sorry where out of those" okay well can I have a buster bar? "nope sorry out" Umm how about a Straberry shortcake bar? "Nope" Klondike bar? "Nope" Chaco Taco "Sorry" Chocolate chip cookie sandwich? "gone" Well what the hell do you have? "Snow Cones, and Turbo Pops" You made me run 5 blocks for a fucking "Snow Cone? "Yep" Your a god damn ice cream truck and you ain't got no ice cream, ice is not ice cream! "Yeah my bad, so do you want anything or not?" Snow Cone That's Martin he's the shitty ice cream man.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 30, 2018 18:17:29 GMT -5
You know what I do find amusing about fire and blood? It's once again about the Targaryens. When I first got into the series, the first 3 books were out, swords had just come out. I would not revisit the series after swords for half a decade because dipstick got busy, oh I mean suddenly became a slow writer. I remember the first few chapters of thrones being in the north. Gosh who are these Starks and who is this Jon Snow? Is he the special, oh I smell special so pretty much the same reaction everyone has. Then came Dany, eeeeeek, two specials? Love story. I think many fans thought the exact same thing. And here I stand almost 2 decades later, and if the show had not of happened I'd still be sitting there like an idiot waiting for Slowy the 8th dwarf to write about the magical princess and the young prince. Hilarious essay as ever sercreighton - you never fail to make me laugh. I am glad the series started with the Starks. I don't think it would have been as attractive or drawn the reader in the same way if it had begun with the Targaryens. As much as I love them and their weird family history, I do recognize them to be more of the standard high fantasy type story. There are tons of fantasy writers out there with typical dragon and magic stories. Game of Thrones stood out not only because GRRM is a great writer of detailed world-building, but because it began in a strange place with a strange story (The White Walkers and north of The Wall). This was ultimately what kept me curious all these years and hopefully ends the saga in a meaningful way. The historical account of the Targaryen dynasty probably isn't all that exciting to a lot of people and based on just the small sampling in our fan group here, it's not a popular choice for another offshoot in George's meandering epic saga. I am reminded of The Silmarillion by Tolkien as a similar comparison. Where many were big fans of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, Tolkien's ponderous journey through the early ages of his world were not easy to digest and even I couldn't finish them. But anyway, here we are with a likely ponderous journey through Targaryen history coming at us instead of the much needed Winds of Winter. I wonder how many diehard fans will stick with it even once the spinoff series are announced? That's honestly the main reason I want to read Fire and Blood. No one has commented yet whether they think one of the spinoffs is going to be the Targaryen eras and if that will even be popular. If HBO does it in the same fantasy/CGI vein as GoT (their dragons are quite impressive nowadays) it will probably be a hit. I think the big draws happened early with the Others and the Nights Watch. Both sounded interesting and the Others are a mystery. Then the first Bran chapter wisely introduced you to most of the Starks and Jon and Theon. Tossing Bran out the Window raise the stakes, and Cutting Neds head off got everyone's attention. Funny enough Neds journey came full circle. Except the situation is juxtaposed. Thrones then gives the epic Pyre death becomes life and the Dragons give the reader hope. Two great myths return to the world. The others and the Dragons. I find that there is plenty in the books for most readers character wise. The Starks didn't draw me in that much at first, I was not that into Bran, I thought he was a cute kid. I liked Ned right away, and Dany, Jon and Arya. Cats a slow burn, Sansa is not that likable in Thrones, and Robb did nothing for me. Jon was the mystery that's always a draw, Rheagar mystery. I liked Robert, Tyrion was a big star in thrones, Joff is great, Renly, the Hound, I mean thrones really just tossed all these characters at the reader. I even liked Drogo by the end I don't even know how it happened. Thrones was great at throwing mysteries at the reader. Here we are 20 years later, not many mysteries have been answered yet in the books. Show answered a lot, but still, I think Martin who,kept adding questions should of been looking to answer some of them as well, rather than get to the last book and do a giant info dump on the reader. He's having problems piecing things together cause he is starting way late.
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Post by charliexcx on May 13, 2018 4:52:06 GMT -5
Well I'm excited because GRRM is once again writing about my favorite ASOIAF family. I'm glad that he loves putting a lot of investment into them as much as I love reading about them.
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Post by charliexcx on Jun 2, 2018 1:53:56 GMT -5
They just released an ad for this and it looks great.
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Post by charliexcx on Jun 2, 2018 1:56:47 GMT -5
I like the UK cover better. I might end up getting it.
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Post by moiaf on Jun 29, 2018 10:57:48 GMT -5
I like the UK cover better. I might end up getting it. Yeah, I think I might like this cover better than the American cover.
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Post by cosmos on Jun 29, 2018 11:08:08 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to the new illustrations and new images we are going to have. I love when authors approve official art.
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Post by sercreighton on Jul 2, 2018 17:55:55 GMT -5
Martin does like his pictures. So it's being split into two books. Wonder why he is focusing on this, when the WoIF came out he said he would not write anything else until Winds was done. Publishing demands? With all the extended universe books, there was a reason for them, sure he was telling a story but they always relayed something to you for the main series, little hidden clues like Bloodraven, Egg who's story is building up to the Tragedy at Summerhall which is probably very important to the main series.
This isn't even a full history of the family, just it's time in Westeros which we already have a ton of information on. Most of what we don't know is pre invasion, this will simply add small details, depth and color to what already exists. He probably drops some clues in it, for the main series should he ever actually finish it. I am not that hyped for it, more hyped for season 8 of the show. There is really no point to this book if he isn't going to finish the series. And the stuff that may be of most interest like more insight into Rhaegar and his father won't appear till the second book.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 3, 2018 17:12:49 GMT -5
Martin does like his pictures. So it's being split into two books. Wonder why he is focusing on this, when the WoIF came out he said he would not write anything else until Winds was done. Publishing demands? With all the extended universe books, there was a reason for them, sure he was telling a story but they always relayed something to you for the main series, little hidden clues like Bloodraven, Egg who's story is building up to the Tragedy at Summerhall which is probably very important to the main series. This isn't even a full history of the family, just it's time in Westeros which we already have a ton of information on. Most of what we don't know is pre invasion, this will simply add small details, depth and color to what already exists. He probably drops some clues in it, for the main series should he ever actually finish it. I am not that hyped for it, more hyped for season 8 of the show. There is really no point to this book if he isn't going to finish the series. And the stuff that may be of most interest like more insight into Rhaegar and his father won't appear till the second book. I believe a lot of it had already been written while he worked on TWOIAFso it was probably a matter of putting it together and addicting details here and there. I don’t know how much it will add but I always enjoy reading Targaryen history because I find those crazy Vallyrians so interesting.
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Post by Envie on Jul 3, 2018 20:59:43 GMT -5
I believe a lot of it had already been written while he worked on TWOIAFso it was probably a matter of putting it together and addicting details here and there. I don’t know how much it will add but I always enjoy reading Targaryen history because I find those crazy Vallyrians so interesting. I do think this is probably the case too. He has been writing about his world for a very long time and at one point and time I thought he said he had material for the histories before 'modern' times in Westeros from which he draws the histories of the various houses and regions. So it makes sense he probably just dug up a lot of his previously written info on the Targaryens and his editors helped organize it into a compendium of their history. Personally, I think this book is a big clue that this will likely be the focus area of at least one of the spin-off series HBO wants to do, so it makes sense to release detailed info on it now before they start marketing a new series once GoT finale is done.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 4, 2018 12:30:41 GMT -5
I believe a lot of it had already been written while he worked on TWOIAFso it was probably a matter of putting it together and addicting details here and there. I don’t know how much it will add but I always enjoy reading Targaryen history because I find those crazy Vallyrians so interesting. I do think this is probably the case too. He has been writing about his world for a very long time and at one point and time I thought he said he had material for the histories before 'modern' times in Westeros from which he draws the histories of the various houses and regions. So it makes sense he probably just dug up a lot of his previously written info on the Targaryens and his editors helped organize it into a compendium of their history. Personally, I think this book is a big clue that this will likely be the focus area of at least one of the spin-off series HBO wants to do, so it makes sense to release detailed info on it now before they start marketing a new series once GoT finale is done. Hmm, that could be. The Targaryens have always been the family GRRM has been most interested in and so there is a substancia amount of material about them and their history. There’s a lot there for HBO to use for the prequel work. I wonder if HBO will wait a full year after GoT ends before premiering the new series or if they’ll do it in the fall following the end of GoT (presumably in the spring).
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Post by cosmos on Jul 4, 2018 14:28:19 GMT -5
I do think this is probably the case too. He has been writing about his world for a very long time and at one point and time I thought he said he had material for the histories before 'modern' times in Westeros from which he draws the histories of the various houses and regions. So it makes sense he probably just dug up a lot of his previously written info on the Targaryens and his editors helped organize it into a compendium of their history. Personally, I think this book is a big clue that this will likely be the focus area of at least one of the spin-off series HBO wants to do, so it makes sense to release detailed info on it now before they start marketing a new series once GoT finale is done. Hmm, that could be. The Targaryens have always been the family GRRM has been most interested in and so there is a substancia amount of material about them and their history. There’s a lot there for HBO to use for the prequel work. I wonder if HBO will wait a full year after GoT ends before premiering the new series or if they’ll do it in the fall following the end of GoT (presumably in the spring).I really doubt that the spin-off will come out before 2020. It took 3 years from the acquisition of the rights from Martin in 2006 to the shooting of the pilot in 2009. There's so much to do before filming starts: the conceptualization of the designs for the series, the production of sets, costumes, wigs and prosthetics, the location scouting, the casting, etc. I expect news about dates for filming by the end of the year and probably the go-ahead for the series by middle-2019.
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Post by sercreighton on Jul 4, 2018 21:29:18 GMT -5
I do think this is probably the case too. He has been writing about his world for a very long time and at one point and time I thought he said he had material for the histories before 'modern' times in Westeros from which he draws the histories of the various houses and regions. So it makes sense he probably just dug up a lot of his previously written info on the Targaryens and his editors helped organize it into a compendium of their history. Personally, I think this book is a big clue that this will likely be the focus area of at least one of the spin-off series HBO wants to do, so it makes sense to release detailed info on it now before they start marketing a new series once GoT finale is done. Hmm, that could be. The Targaryens have always been the family GRRM has been most interested in and so there is a substancia amount of material about them and their history. There’s a lot there for HBO to use for the prequel work. I wonder if HBO will wait a full year after GoT ends before premiering the new series or if they’ll do it in the fall following the end of GoT (presumably in the spring). I thought they already announced the spin off, it takes place during the golden age which is pre Valyrian and Stark. Though the Starks got mentioned so I assume Bran the Builder. Also it covers the Origin of the White Walkers. So following the second or actually third war for the dawn, this will be like a giant flashback to the Long Night. I already got my theory down on the Origin of the White Walkers. Something tells me it's not some random guy getting Dragonglassed in the heart while tied to to a heart tree. I think this will be heavily focused on Bran and Lann. Winterfell shouldn't be built yet at least nothing outside the first keep. But you never know with TV they love to reuse set pieces. No KL no Valyria though we may get dragons still. Not sure if they are going back pre Night King that's a grey area. But if it's the shattering of the arm of Dorne era it should be pre Night King. I think if their is a mystery it will be who becomes the Night King or the first Walker and that's if they head down that road. The Characters that I got locked in are Bran, Lann, Durran, Garth, the Grey King, and Symeon Star eyes. Its a very vague history which is probably why they like it. It also isn't clear if the Andels were in Westeros back then as well. The age of heroes is suppose to pre date their arrival. Yet we get multiple mentions of Knights during that period, and castles which are also suppose to be an Andel thing. First men were pretty much Wildlings they built Ring forts and long halls and such. I have no idea if they will keep those names we should also get red priests. They also need to come up with some female characters cause the closest thing we got is Danny Flynt of Widows watch. we should also get the Origins of the Nights Watch. It's weird this really isn't a political era, it's a high Magic era. Not really HBO's thing. They may just take the world, and a few names and write their own story that has little to do with what we know. It could have castles and nights and be politically focused with little magic and not a single character listed used.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 10, 2018 14:43:16 GMT -5
Hmm, that could be. The Targaryens have always been the family GRRM has been most interested in and so there is a substancia amount of material about them and their history. There’s a lot there for HBO to use for the prequel work. I wonder if HBO will wait a full year after GoT ends before premiering the new series or if they’ll do it in the fall following the end of GoT (presumably in the spring). I thought they already announced the spin off, it takes place during the golden age which is pre Valyrian and Stark. Though the Starks got mentioned so I assume Bran the Builder. Also it covers the Origin of the White Walkers. So following the second or actually third war for the dawn, this will be like a giant flashback to the Long Night. I already got my theory down on the Origin of the White Walkers. Something tells me it's not some random guy getting Dragonglassed in the heart while tied to to a heart tree. I think this will be heavily focused on Bran and Lann. Winterfell shouldn't be built yet at least nothing outside the first keep. But you never know with TV they love to reuse set pieces. No KL no Valyria though we may get dragons still. Not sure if they are going back pre Night King that's a grey area. But if it's the shattering of the arm of Dorne era it should be pre Night King. I think if their is a mystery it will be who becomes the Night King or the first Walker and that's if they head down that road. The Characters that I got locked in are Bran, Lann, Durran, Garth, the Grey King, and Symeon Star eyes. Its a very vague history which is probably why they like it. It also isn't clear if the Andels were in Westeros back then as well. The age of heroes is suppose to pre date their arrival. Yet we get multiple mentions of Knights during that period, and castles which are also suppose to be an Andel thing. First men were pretty much Wildlings they built Ring forts and long halls and such. I have no idea if they will keep those names we should also get red priests. They also need to come up with some female characters cause the closest thing we got is Danny Flynt of Widows watch. we should also get the Origins of the Nights Watch. It's weird this really isn't a political era, it's a high Magic era. Not really HBO's thing. They may just take the world, and a few names and write their own story that has little to do with what we know. It could have castles and nights and be politically focused with little magic and not a single character listed used. You're right.
I'm going to wait until it premieres but at this moment it doesn't sound that interesting to me. I don't know I'm not feeling it right now but who knows. Maybe when I see it I'll really like it.
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