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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jan 8, 2019 21:48:24 GMT -5
In the brief synopsis, it also mentions "the mysteries of the east" so I think with the more diverse cast, the Canary Islands could potentially be used for the Summer Isles and parts of Essos. Also since the legend of Azor Ahai comes from the Long Night, could we see Asshai. I am hoping we get to see a lot more (and learn more) about the more mysterious exotic locations of the legends. Part of me had hoped they would pick the doom of Valyria as the storyline, but that would probably be too Targaryen/Valyria centric and not enough good material. Plus, people identify with Westeros and want some part of the story anchored there, so the long night really makes a lot more sense. It's a historic storyline with a lot of magical events that got lost over time. I definitely want to know the full story of the white walkers and whatever terrible things came out of Asshai in creating the Azor Ahai legend and prophecy. There is still a chance that we see Valyria if they are planning on having storylines in Essos. The Doom of Valyria might have been too expensive unless they started with a massive budget. I dunno know many of the spinoff ideas will eventually make it to screen, my guess is maybe another one if there is enough success, but it's hard to say. I've seen theories that Azor Ahai and The Last Hero might be the same person, but just different interpretations of the character in Westeros and Essos, so it will be interesting to see how they cover this.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 13, 2019 14:12:15 GMT -5
Theories on Azor and the Last hero, most core ones are based off Dany, she of the many titles, and her traveling all over the world and taking part in different cultures. Dothraki, Free Cities, Slaver Cities, Qarth, and Westeros. Perspective has given her many different names, Mysha, The Mother Of Dragons, Silver Lady, Breaker of Chains, etc... May have been no different with Azor. Who may be Brandon, the Last Hero and the Night King. The number 13 connects The Last hero to the Night King.
Remember as well the Others were not made to be evil, they were created to protect. After all the Firstmen and the Children were so close that at one point the Firstmen adopted the Children's culture, worshiping their Trees, being taught their magic. Benjen is good example of a good Walker. The Night King at some point became a twisted creature. If you think about it the Children may have resurected many First men to continue the fight against the Andals. The Andals may have been supported by the red priests early on, and thus a war of ice and fire. We know the Red Priests date as far back as the Grey King in Westeros. The Iron Born saying what is dead may never die, those that die and come back is part of their religion. It was fire that was used against the Children so they countered with Ice.
Makes you wonder who the Night Queen was? Maybe Naomi clues us in at some point. Kind of Strange, how the closest thing to the Firstmen was all left on one side of the Wall with the Children, a Wall only the Children and the Others could build. And on the other side of the Wall we get the Castle Building, Banner waving much more Andel like Starks. More than likely intermarriage with Andels early on created the Northern culture. They say the Wall was built to keep out the Others but it really seems it was built to keep out the Andels.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jan 21, 2019 12:02:31 GMT -5
Theories on Azor and the Last hero, most core ones are based off Dany, she of the many titles, and her traveling all over the world and taking part in different cultures. Dothraki, Free Cities, Slaver Cities, Qarth, and Westeros. Perspective has given her many different names, Mysha, The Mother Of Dragons, Silver Lady, Breaker of Chains, etc... May have been no different with Azor. Who may be Brandon, the Last Hero and the Night King. The number 13 connects The Last hero to the Night King. Remember as well the Others were not made to be evil, they were created to protect. After all the Firstmen and the Children were so close that at one point the Firstmen adopted the Children's culture, worshiping their Trees, being taught their magic. Benjen is good example of a good Walker. The Night King at some point became a twisted creature. If you think about it the Children may have resurected many First men to continue the fight against the Andals. The Andals may have been supported by the red priests early on, and thus a war of ice and fire. We know the Red Priests date as far back as the Grey King in Westeros. The Iron Born saying what is dead may never die, those that die and come back is part of their religion. It was fire that was used against the Children so they countered with Ice. Makes you wonder who the Night Queen was? Maybe Naomi clues us in at some point. Kind of Strange, how the closest thing to the Firstmen was all left on one side of the Wall with the Children, a Wall only the Children and the Others could build. And on the other side of the Wall we get the Castle Building, Banner waving much more Andel like Starks. More than likely intermarriage with Andels early on created the Northern culture. They say the Wall was built to keep out the Others but it really seems it was built to keep out the Andels. But the Wall is in the far north, I thought the Andals came from the east.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 21, 2019 13:33:59 GMT -5
Theories on Azor and the Last hero, most core ones are based off Dany, she of the many titles, and her traveling all over the world and taking part in different cultures. Dothraki, Free Cities, Slaver Cities, Qarth, and Westeros. Perspective has given her many different names, Mysha, The Mother Of Dragons, Silver Lady, Breaker of Chains, etc... May have been no different with Azor. Who may be Brandon, the Last Hero and the Night King. The number 13 connects The Last hero to the Night King. Remember as well the Others were not made to be evil, they were created to protect. After all the Firstmen and the Children were so close that at one point the Firstmen adopted the Children's culture, worshiping their Trees, being taught their magic. Benjen is good example of a good Walker. The Night King at some point became a twisted creature. If you think about it the Children may have resurected many First men to continue the fight against the Andals. The Andals may have been supported by the red priests early on, and thus a war of ice and fire. We know the Red Priests date as far back as the Grey King in Westeros. The Iron Born saying what is dead may never die, those that die and come back is part of their religion. It was fire that was used against the Children so they countered with Ice. Makes you wonder who the Night Queen was? Maybe Naomi clues us in at some point. Kind of Strange, how the closest thing to the Firstmen was all left on one side of the Wall with the Children, a Wall only the Children and the Others could build. And on the other side of the Wall we get the Castle Building, Banner waving much more Andel like Starks. More than likely intermarriage with Andels early on created the Northern culture. They say the Wall was built to keep out the Others but it really seems it was built to keep out the Andels. But the Wall is in the far north, I thought the Andals came from the east. Not sure what you mean, everyone came from the east including the Firstmen. In fact in the books the Firstman is said to come from the womb of the world Vaes Dothrak. The Andels may have first come east as part of a force to fight the Others. After All look at Dany she came from the east with the Dothraki and Unsullied, along with the Freemen. Nobody ever said there was one long night either. The five forts indicate otherwise. The Bloodstone Emperor fought the Lion of Night, and Azor fought the Lion of Night. We don't know what happened to the Bloodstone Emperor. Chances are the Hammer of the Waters is the Others rather than some bolt from the blue. We know they used the hammer more than once. The Doom was cause by volcanic eruptions, shattered the land, but there are no indications of Volcanic activity in the Stepstones. Glaciers may have broken the arm of Dorne or perhaps rising Ocean levels. The Neck is the second place the Hammer was said to have been used. What was left is water, glacial withdrawal may have caused the marshes. The Wall was built post long night, and the story of the Night King is post long night, the children fought two wars against man that we know of. The Night King was never destroyed. Yet the Night King is not mentioned as part of the Long Night. We know the Andels made it to the Neck perhaps even beyond if the sigils are any indication. Are there any Castles beyond the wall? Sigils? Towers? No, so when did the Firstmen start building these things. Stormsend a round wall and giant round tower is said to be older than the Wall. The First keep is also round yet the Firstmen never built such structures, the Andals did though. Brandon the builder is said to have built Stormsend, perhaps the Hightower of Oldtown, the Wall and Wimterfell. It would take many lifetimes to do that. House Stark and the name Stark appear post long Night, not before. Lannisters appear post long night. The Night King has his name erased from history post long night. But it's believed he was from the Vale or the rock. One other name vanishes from history early on and nobody knows what happened to them. Casterly, vanishes around the time of the Night King. To quote Bran when looking at the Gargoyles on the first keep in thrones, "They may have been lions once." What does Bran find in the first keep? Lions. When Jon meets Tyrion, Martin refers to Tyrion perched above the door to the great hall as a Gargoyle. The Starks may very well descend from house Casterly, the Night King may be there ancestor. Bran and Lann may have been brothers, or father and son.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jan 21, 2019 14:17:00 GMT -5
But the Wall is in the far north, I thought the Andals came from the east. Not sure what you mean, everyone came from the east including the Firstmen. In fact in the books the Firstman is said to come from the womb of the world Vaes Dothrak. The Andels may have first come east as part of a force to fight the Others. After All look at Dany she came from the east with the Dothraki and Unsullied, along with the Freemen. Nobody ever said there was one long night either. The five forts indicate otherwise. The Bloodstone Emperor fought the Lion of Night, and Azor fought the Lion of Night. We don't know what happened to the Bloodstone Emperor. Chances are the Hammer of the Waters is the Others rather than some bolt from the blue. We know they used the hammer more than once. The Doom was cause by volcanic eruptions, shattered the land, but there are no indications of Volcanic activity in the Stepstones. Glaciers may have broken the arm of Dorne or perhaps rising Ocean levels. The Neck is the second place the Hammer was said to have been used. What was left is water, glacial withdrawal may have caused the marshes. The Wall was built post long night, and the story of the Night King is post long night, the children fought two wars against man that we know of. The Night King was never destroyed. Yet the Night King is not mentioned as part of the Long Night. We know the Andels made it to the Neck perhaps even beyond if the sigils are any indication. Are there any Castles beyond the wall? Sigils? Towers? No, so when did the Firstmen start building these things. Stormsend a round wall and giant round tower is said to be older than the Wall. The First keep is also round yet the Firstmen never built such structures, the Andals did though. Brandon the builder is said to have built Stormsend, perhaps the Hightower of Oldtown, the Wall and Wimterfell. It would take many lifetimes to do that. House Stark and the name Stark appear post long Night, not before. Lannisters appear post long night. The Night King has his name erased from history post long night. But it's believed he was from the Vale or the rock. One other name vanishes from history early on and nobody knows what happened to them. Casterly, vanishes around the time of the Night King. To quote Bran when looking at the Gargoyles on the first keep in thrones, "They may have been lions once." What does Bran find in the first keep? Lions. When Jon meets Tyrion, Martin refers to Tyrion perched above the door to the great hall as a Gargoyle. The Starks may very well descend from house Casterly, the Night King may be there ancestor. Bran and Lann may have been brothers, or father and son. That is super cool and interesting, but I still don't get how the wall was built to keep out the Andals.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Jan 22, 2019 0:12:56 GMT -5
I expected that too, but I think with the prequel, we're likely going to have more POVs in Essos at the very start, compared to GoT where it was only Dany. I understand concerns that it wouldn't be faithful to the Westerosi culture and people presented in ASoIaF/GoT. However, the Long Night didn't just affect Westeros, it affected Essos and the rest of the world, which is incredibly diverse, so having those characters does make sense.
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Post by katjushka on Jan 22, 2019 0:57:36 GMT -5
Gods, people are so stupid. A grown man told me that the only book he's always wanted to be made in to a series is Witcher and now he can't watch it because of the news about casting, how they've cast women and people with different ethnicities and it just bothers him, it's not true to the story. I asked him if the books really specify the color of skin on the characters, you know how the Harry Potter books do not specify and Hermione can just as well be black but he didn't know. He said the characters had just always been like that, white. And that having actors of any other ethnicity is just driving an agenda. This was months ago and I still haven't stopped laughing.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jan 22, 2019 1:28:40 GMT -5
Gods, people are so stupid. A grown man told me that the only book he's always wanted to be made in to a series is Witcher and now he can't watch it because of the news about casting, how they've cast women and people with different ethnicities and it just bothers him, it's not true to the story. I asked him if the books really specify the color of skin on the characters, you know how the Harry Potter books do not specify and Hermione can just as well be black but he didn't know. He said the characters had just always been like that, white. And that having actors of any other ethnicity is just driving an agenda. This was months ago and I still haven't stopped laughing. It's crazy, like the very existence of POC in any arena is a political act. It's also exhausting af.
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Post by konradsmith on Jan 22, 2019 2:21:37 GMT -5
I guess if it retcons and has some Westerosi non-Dornish characters be something other than white English people it would break the continuity as established by the show. And on that grounds alone I can see people being confused a bit. But I doubt that's what this show will do though, given its description mentioning other regions than Westeros, which are based on non-European history. GoT's story spanned continents, so I imagine this one will follow suit, albeit with more focus on the other places than GoT did, to even things out. How that'll all come together narratively, I'm sure Jane Goldman and GrrM have worked it out. Though tbh part of why I find this Long Night concept that's been greenlit less interesting than the Empire of Ash one we heard about, is that itss focusing Westeros again. It feels like a bit of a re-tread to me, particularly since it's going to include the Wall and WWs and everything again. They'll be giving us new info about it all sure (that should've just been included in GoT tbh, like it surely will be in ASOIAF) but going back to Valyria and its colonies to me seemed like the fresher angle to take. And if rectifying GoT's diversity critiques was on HBO's mind, again Empire of Ash would make more sense as the go-to since it's focusing wholly on the continent not based on Northern European history. But I guess that many dragons would be too expensive. Not that I'm totally incurious about the Long Night. I trust HBO's judgement. If that's their first pick, they must have a strong rationale for it. But the continent's we know less about, to me, would be more interesting to see portrayed in their earlier eras. Particularly some of the weirdness we've seen alluded to about Sothoryos (though I get that much of that is just the Maester's getting shoddy info).
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Post by breakfest on Jan 22, 2019 2:51:38 GMT -5
I expected that too, but I think with the prequel, we're likely going to have more POVs in Essos at the very start, compared to GoT where it was only Dany. I understand concerns that it wouldn't be faithful to the Westerosi culture and people presented in ASoIaF/GoT. However, the Long Night didn't just affect Westeros, it affected Essos and the rest of the world, which is incredibly diverse, so having those characters does make sense. I really don't. People need to get over themselves.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jan 22, 2019 9:59:51 GMT -5
I expected that too, but I think with the prequel, we're likely going to have more POVs in Essos at the very start, compared to GoT where it was only Dany. I understand concerns that it wouldn't be faithful to the Westerosi culture and people presented in ASoIaF/GoT. However, the Long Night didn't just affect Westeros, it affected Essos and the rest of the world, which is incredibly diverse, so having those characters does make sense. I really don't. People need to get over themselves. If the theory that the first men was an umbrella description for the various human cultures and ethnicities that settled Westeros during the Dawn Age and were wiped out during the LK, this series might confirm it. It would also be true to life as extinction level events create genetic bottlenecks and whole cultures and peoples are wiped from history.
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Post by Envie on Jan 22, 2019 13:32:40 GMT -5
Though tbh part of why I find this Long Night concept that's been greenlit less interesting than the Empire of Ash one we heard about, is that itss focusing Westeros again. It feels like a bit of a re-tread to me, particularly since it's going to include the Wall and WWs and everything again. They'll be giving us new info about it all sure (that should've just been included in GoT tbh, like it surely will be in ASOIAF) but going back to Valyria and its colonies to me seemed like the fresher angle to take. And if rectifying GoT's diversity critiques was on HBO's mind, again Empire of Ash would make more sense as the go-to since it's focusing wholly on the continent not based on Northern European history. But I guess that many dragons would be too expensive. Well said, and summarizes my own thoughts on the particular era they are choosing. I have to guess maybe they wanted to stick to something 'safe' and familiar for the target audience (GoT General Show Fans). Going with only Essos/Valyria might be a bit riskier because not everyone liked Daenerys and the Essos plots in GoT and therefore would not be as excited for a new series set in that part of the world. Based on fan popularity, the northerners and Starks in general definitely seem to win favorites for many and so it makes sense they would want to expand more on their history. Personally, I think the audience is capable of embracing new storylines that did not involve the White Walkers and told different historical perspectives. I thought they would go with the great Targaryen dynasty (Aegon's Conquest) era because seeing different/opposing perspectives from those who fought against them would have been great in my book and still kept the story rooted in both Essos and Westeros both. Going back to the beginning with The Long Night could very well indicate they are intending to do multiple series as mentioned and so my hope for Aegon's Conquest still has a chance!
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Feb 2, 2019 17:25:17 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/amj15t/casting_calls_for_march_filming_in_canary_islands/
Though as the OP said, it could be for "The Witcher", since they are also filming on the Canary Islands in the spring.
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Post by Envie on Feb 4, 2019 14:27:34 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/amj15t/casting_calls_for_march_filming_in_canary_islands/ Though as the OP said, it could be for "The Witcher", since they are also filming on the Canary Islands in the spring. Someone local to the Canary Islands (thanks Reddit for being so international) responded and said there was a difference in the filming locations for both and the casting call was on the main island where The Long Night is being filmed. They could always be wrong, of course. The casting call doesn't really tell us much other than they need to speak good english and be tall, haha.
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