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Post by Envie on Aug 10, 2018 7:52:06 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out.
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Post by belle on Aug 10, 2018 8:45:55 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. I actually reallly like that, it would make Cersei feel super vulnerable if she saw him get turned to the NK's side too. Not sure if it will happen but I think it would be cool if it did.
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Post by Envie on Aug 10, 2018 9:31:10 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. I actually reallly like that, it would make Cersei feel super vulnerable if she saw him get turned to the NK's side too. Not sure if it will happen but I think it would be cool if it did. Yes, this is what I was thinking too and how Cersei's grand finale could be even more epic based on everything that's happening around her. She feels powerful right now because she's on the throne and has Gregor by her side as the ultimate bodyguard she can order to do anything ... but if he's taken away from her, and she sees Jaime out there fighting the Night King alongside everyone else ... she's going to realize, quite suddenly, that she's all alone. Maybe by this point her guards have abandoned her, the city's in chaos and she sees no way out. Much as she was ready to give little Tommen and herself poison when King's Landing was invaded before, she'll be more than willing to do something devastating on the way out this time. And as others have said, the wildfire under the city is just too good to be passed up at this point. I want to see Cersei go out in the most spectacular way possible and also take a lot of the undead with her.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 10, 2018 13:01:10 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. his turning against her has def been theorized for years but the night king is a recent twist. if it happens i'd guess he'd be the one to kill qyburn, his original creator/master. I'm willing to put money Jaime also makes it to 806 lol (I also still think he's going to kill Cersei and I won't change my mind about that until I literally see it NOT happen onscreen tbh) semi-related, i once saw someone who frequently says people can't make assumptions about jaime being the valonqar also post that brienne is "almost certainly" the ymbq, and i feel like you would appreciate this hypocrisy.
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Post by belle on Aug 10, 2018 20:18:31 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. his turning against her has def been theorized for years but the night king is a recent twist. if it happens i'd guess he'd be the one to kill qyburn, his original creator/master. I'm willing to put money Jaime also makes it to 806 lol (I also still think he's going to kill Cersei and I won't change my mind about that until I literally see it NOT happen onscreen tbh) semi-related, i once saw someone who frequently says people can't make assumptions about jaime being the valonqar also post that brienne is "almost certainly" the ymbq, and i feel like you would appreciate this hypocrisy. I think I know exactly who you're talking about lol
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 11, 2018 11:00:25 GMT -5
Leaf says that soon the children of the forest will be gone and that eventually all magical species will follow. It is also possible that Leaf was saying that CoTF and other magical species will be vulnerable to extinction during the upcoming Long Night. My gut feeling is that WW will retreat at the end of ADOS after reaching some sort of truce between them and the Seven Kingdoms. Azor Ahai's role will be that of the middle man or the new leader of WW. I think that's what happened to the Last Hero. He became the leader of WW and ended the first Long Night. Leaf never said that, there is no reference to magic or magical creatures only the old races, and some specific animals. “That was in the dawn of days, when our sun was rising. Now it sinks, and this is our long dwindling. The giants are almost gone as well, they who were our bane and our brothers. The great lions of the western hills have been slain, the unicorns are all but gone, the mammoths down to a few hundred. The direwolves will outlast us all, but their time will come as well. In the world that men have made, there is no room for them, or us” People oft n associate this with magic and magical creatures, but Mamoths are perfectly normal, and the Unicorns in the books are actually giant one horned goats that existed along with Mamoths in our own world. This is basically just Darwinian theory applied to Westeros. Direwolves as well. A lot of people relate this to magic dying as well, but magic exists all over the world and Marting has never really gotten into the history of it, and never set any rules for it. As an example we have Dany's Dragons, once extinct, and now back. Thing is she sort of figured out the formula, she knew what she was doing at the pyre she had no fear, she told Mormont to relax she got this and poof Dragons. Thats a theory on the Last hero. I like to think that what we see know is similar to the past. I don't know what the show will show us but their version of the Night King is sort of shit so who knows. I think like now, the past was about specific families and one family. The Night King had his name stricken from history, around that time one house vanished and two others appear. The Casterly's vanish and the Starks and Lannisters appear. Lann was from the age of heroes as was Bran the builder. They may have been related. Hair color means little to a family over thousands of years of genetic pooling to specific regions. The time period is very vague but Westeros has never been short of family funds. The Night King time period is also strange, as the Wall was already built according to history, the watch established, so it's post long night. And yet he's part of the long night that didn't get past Winterfell.Dont want to write down all of it, needless to say then and now probably not all that different. Though I wish we got more on the Night Queen outside of perhaps vision Bran saw in the books. They haven't really touched on the story and that kind of sucks.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 12, 2018 10:15:19 GMT -5
I feel like D&D would want to have all top 5 characters in the series finale, hence I'm willing to put money Jaime also makes it to 806 lol (I also still think he's going to kill Cersei and I won't change my mind about that until I literally see it NOT happen onscreen tbh) I’m with you on this. That’s what I’ve thought for a long time and until it’s proven other wise I’m going with Jaime being the valonqar.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 12, 2018 10:17:44 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. Interesting theory, but I’m not sure if it would work. I mean, we have zero rules for any of this so it’s very possible he could get turned but on the other hand maybe because he’s already dead and not awakened by the NK whatever magic the NK has wouldn’t work on him.
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Post by belle on Aug 12, 2018 10:24:51 GMT -5
I feel like D&D would want to have all top 5 characters in the series finale, hence I'm willing to put money Jaime also makes it to 806 lol (I also still think he's going to kill Cersei and I won't change my mind about that until I literally see it NOT happen onscreen tbh) I’m with you on this. That’s what I’ve thought for a long time and until it’s proven robber wise I’m going with Jaime being the valonqar. I don’t get why so many people want to push back against it lol. It would make for seriously dramatic and compelling television. And there’s so much foreshadowing for it in the books and even in the show Jaime and Cersei are each other’s most important relationship. It’s just facts. I also think it’s super telling that the hands of gold song from ASOS for Tyrion/shae was about Jaime/Cersei on the show as I have always thought Jaime would end up paralleling Tyrion in killing the woman he loves.
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Post by nikma on Aug 12, 2018 14:07:53 GMT -5
They don't like it because it's "predictable".
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Post by belle on Aug 12, 2018 16:09:17 GMT -5
They don't like it because it's "predictable". lol stupid excuse. Cersei burning the sept of Baelor was predictable too yet so exciting to watch and one of the best scenes of the show
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Post by diana24 on Aug 12, 2018 16:31:37 GMT -5
I’m with you on this. That’s what I’ve thought for a long time and until it’s proven robber wise I’m going with Jaime being the valonqar. I don’t get why so many people want to push back against it lol. It would make for seriously dramatic and compelling television. And there’s so much foreshadowing for it in the books and even in the show Jaime and Cersei are each other’s most important relationship. It’s just facts. I also think it’s super telling that the hands of gold song from ASOS for Tyrion/shame was about Jaime/Cersei on the show as I have always thought Jaime would end up paralleling Tyrion in killing the woman he loves. Oh don't you know it's his destiny to live happily ever after with Brienne (rolling eyes). Nor trying to downgrade that relationship or anything. I think it's important to Jaime's arc, and I think they probably will end up sleeping together next season. Although I think he will still love Cersei. He's just a tragic character.
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Post by belle on Aug 12, 2018 17:48:46 GMT -5
I don’t get why so many people want to push back against it lol. It would make for seriously dramatic and compelling television. And there’s so much foreshadowing for it in the books and even in the show Jaime and Cersei are each other’s most important relationship. It’s just facts. I also think it’s super telling that the hands of gold song from ASOS for Tyrion/shame was about Jaime/Cersei on the show as I have always thought Jaime would end up paralleling Tyrion in killing the woman he loves. Oh don't you know it's his destiny to live happily ever after with Brienne (rolling eyes). Nor trying to downgrade that relationship or anything. I think it's important to Jaime's arc, and I think they probably will end up sleeping together next season. Although I think he will still love Cersei. He's just a tragic character. I was convinced that they were gonna sleep together for months and months like until June actually lol. But now I no longer think so and I feel pretty confident that season 8 will prove me right. But yeah he’ll love Cersei till his dying breath.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 12, 2018 18:15:58 GMT -5
I'm sure this theory has been kicked around before, but now that Gregor is making it to the very end and has some serious action sequences (possibly Cleganebowl), what are the chances he gets turned against Cersei and everyone else by The Night King? I mean, he's already technically walking dead so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine once the Night King arrives in King's Landing with his army that Gregor's 'animation' could easily be manipulated. Not saying he's the one to kill Cersei but he could turn on everyone and become a weapon of the Night King in whatever finale battle takes place and Sandor's the one to take him out. Interesting theory, but I’m not sure if it would work. I mean, we have zero rules for any of this so it’s very possible he could get turned but on the other hand maybe because he’s already dead and not awakened by the NK whatever magic the NK has wouldn’t work on him. I like the idea, but it's sort of established that it wouldn't work. Both the Night King and the Red Priests can raise the dead, you got the ice zombies and the fire guys like Jon and Beric. It doesn't work on them. I really wish we got the book Others, they are much closer to Ice Vampires. Not blood suckers butthey can't take sunlight neither can the zombies who shut down. The epic long night looks to be both short and cloudy with a 100% chance of snow. They also talk in their own language, are suppose to be attractive in their own way, etc... We got the skinny silent "come at me bro Night King."
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 12, 2018 18:36:46 GMT -5
I’m with you on this. That’s what I’ve thought for a long time and until it’s proven robber wise I’m going with Jaime being the valonqar. I don’t get why so many people want to push back against it lol. It would make for seriously dramatic and compelling television. And there’s so much foreshadowing for it in the books and even in the show Jaime and Cersei are each other’s most important relationship. It’s just facts. I also think it’s super telling that the hands of gold song from ASOS for Tyrion/shae was about Jaime/Cersei on the show as I have always thought Jaime would end up paralleling Tyrion in killing the woman he loves. I'm fine with Jaime being the valonqar as long as Jaime dies too. I'll like it even better if Jaime's plan to save the city actually fails this time around. What I don't like is the triumphalist version with Jaime choking Cersei and then going on to battle the dead with Brienne or something like that. That sort of thing would be pretty awful imo. Honestly, I think there are 100 good/interesting ways Cersei's downfall could play out, with the valonqar theory being just one of them. But I agree that narratively Jaime has to play a big role in her downfall and I don't think there's any doubt that he will.
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