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Post by nikma on Aug 16, 2018 1:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by moiaf on Aug 16, 2018 8:37:10 GMT -5
I woke up from hibernation. Anything interesting? Sadly no. Although, I'm trying to stay away from any major spoilers.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 16, 2018 8:49:48 GMT -5
Indeed. They changed Cersei's character enough on the show that her crazy ass book behavior would have seemed out of place. In the show Cersei is more in control of her chaos.
could you imagine if they kept the valonqar prophecy in and then casually had jaime/cersei say in season 5 that cersei was born first and jaime came out holding her ankle? it would have made it so obvious lol. tv is just a completely different type of medium than book. there's a reason why the show delayed the tower of joy scene from book 1 to season 6 too. I'm not happy about a lot of the changes made but I do realize that the difference in medium makes it so that things have to be changed as well as the ability to realistically portray certain things.
For Cersei, I think it works best that she's much more competent on the show than just some paranoid woman trying to destroy her enemies. On the show, when her fall finally comes, it'll be much more dramatic. We expect it in the books but that's part of the fun because we are in her head, on the show being unexpected works better.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 16, 2018 10:15:52 GMT -5
Nothing very revealing but I like the reassurance that everything will make sense in the end. The cast always likes to exaggerate so I'm always leery when the talk about how shocking it's going to be. I'm sure they'll be surprises but having discussed and analyzed the show for years I think very few things would be truly surprising.
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Post by belle on Aug 16, 2018 11:11:07 GMT -5
could you imagine if they kept the valonqar prophecy in and then casually had jaime/cersei say in season 5 that cersei was born first and jaime came out holding her ankle? it would have made it so obvious lol. tv is just a completely different type of medium than book. there's a reason why the show delayed the tower of joy scene from book 1 to season 6 too. I'm not happy about a lot of the changes made but I do realize that the difference in medium makes it so that things have to be changed as well as the ability to realistically portray certain things.
For Cersei, I think it works best that she's much more competent on the show than just some paranoid woman trying to destroy her enemies. On the show, when her fall finally comes, it'll be much more dramatic. We expect it in the books but that's part of the fun because we are in her head, on the show being unexpected works better.
This is an unpopular opinion but the ADWD epilogue to me hinted at a more subtle Cersei than she ever was in AFFC. I don’t think she will as much of the blatant paranoid mess in TWOW as she was in AFFC. So I think the “more competent” Cersei isn’t just a D&D thing
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Post by diana24 on Aug 16, 2018 11:34:42 GMT -5
Nothing very revealing but I like the reassurance that everything will make sense in the end. The cast always likes to exaggerate so I'm always leery when the talk about how shocking it's going to be. I'm sure they'll be surprises but having discussed and analyzed the show for years I think very few things would be truly surprising. Yeah same stuff basically. I'm not really putting to much stock into what the cast says in Interviews. Unlike some other people who read into it a little to much, or read what they want to read into it lol.
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Post by belle on Aug 16, 2018 11:41:19 GMT -5
I hated the Jaime/Cersei pregnancy story when season 7 aired but now I kind of love it bc the potential parallels and antiparallels in regards to Jon/Dany are so interesting to me. i Like ncw’s emphasis here on how Cersei’s decision at the end didn’t make sense to Jaime because now they have this baby to look forward too. Jaime and Cersei’s reaction to losing that child in season 8 will be heartbreaking I bet.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 16, 2018 23:11:26 GMT -5
Interesting interview. NCW is one of the few cast members who always tells it like it is. He's not afraid to say when he doesn't like a character or when he doesn't like a certain plotline. So I think he's being genuine when he says the season is both satisfying and surprising (to him anyway). I'm not sure why people expect the season to be 100% predictable and tropey or 100% shocking and edgy. Chances are, they will go for the middle ground as the series always has. Personally, plenty of things in seasons 5, 6 and 7 would have surprised me if they hadn't been spoiled beforehand. Shireen's death, though it was the logical conclusion of Stannis' arc was still shocking. The Hold the Door thing. Cersei taking out all her enemies at once and ascending to the throne in the course of one episode (the popular theory was that there was going to be a trial by combat which never happened; also, very few people expected Cersei to become Queen Regent). Jon becoming "King in the North" was not a foregone conclusion either. Then there's season 7, which is probably my least favorite but I can't deny it's full of surprises. Cersei coming out on top for most of the season, zero support for Dany in Westeros plus dubious things like Dany burning food and people for no reason (I thought her darker side was going to remain a thing of the past tbh), the Night King using Jon and Dany to cross the Wall... I didn't really expect any of that stuff to play out the way that it did. Obviously there was some predictable stuff to go along with it: romance, the fall of Littlefinger, etc. But it wasn't all obvious. So I'm hoping for more of the same next season, a mix of the expected, the not so expected, and the completely unexpected. I hope NCW is right.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Aug 17, 2018 2:34:46 GMT -5
Nothing very revealing but I like the reassurance that everything will make sense in the end. The cast always likes to exaggerate so I'm always leery when the talk about how shocking it's going to be. I'm sure they'll be surprises but having discussed and analyzed the show for years I think very few things would be truly surprising. Yeah same stuff basically. I'm not really putting to much stock into what the cast says in Interviews. Unlike some other people who read into it a little to much, or read what they want to read into it lol. There is only so much they can do to surprise us while keeping the ending realistic. Fans have over-analyzed every possible theory including the most ridiculous ones. Every line in the book series and every dialog on the show has been dissected. Every character has been vivisected endlessly. Short of introducing aliens or fire resistant robots during the last act, I don't see how the ending would be outside of what we have already predicted collectively as a fandom.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 17, 2018 10:32:36 GMT -5
I was thinking a trial by Combat, with the Mountain as her ringer. Clegane bowl, Cersei thinks she has the upper hand and the Sandor Sparks his sword. Though I feel that late in the game it's out of place. It's the only time I could see it happening. Though I feel odd about it happening that late in the game. Sort of anti climactic after a huge battle. Then it's like do they execute her? Is that when she pulls something bad? Like she has a super long wick she lights and then KL blows up. I wonder if Brans vision of Arya and Sansa, which involved Sandor, the Mountain and Jaime comes into play. Sandor and Jaime are both connected to the girls, but the Mountain? Not so much. I always thought this would resolve late but not sure how Arya and Sansa are connected to the Mountain. It also may be a vision that never happens. Or as I like to think of it, Martin changing his mind.
It's probably too late in the game for the type of fight to take place in the last episode of the series, but who knows. I think it's probably just a callback to the meeting they had in season 7.
Trying to figure out Clegane bowl, timing. Timing and pace in general, that's what I was also refering to with Dany's pregnancy. Like when does it become evident and does that fit the episodes and effect them. If Jon doesn't know in episode 1, then Dany may not know yet either. D&D will teleport a lot of pieces in episode 1 to set up the season. Time is never obvious with them. The NK took 7 seasons to get past the Wall cause he couldn't get past the wall. It wasn't just slow walking. I mean walked slow, but Martin slowed them down and had them in the North because he kept extending the series, to grow the kids, and the dragons. He's still doing it D&D had no choice on the kids growing up. He grew the dragons with the. Martin's Dragons are the size of a pony. Which is stupid. For reference on Dany and pregnancy I used book 1. Her timeline is different than the other characters, her story started months before the other characters. She never came to full term but it took the entire book. So with 6 episodes, I look at the pace of what could be revealed. Episode 1, setting the table. I think here Dany realizes she is pregnant at the very end. Though if she gets off the boat pregnant that would help pace wise. She wouldn't be showing. If she gets off the boat and she is showing and Jon knows, that would fix the pace. But I feel like Jon knowing would come later. Jon finds out his heritage, Dany holds back on the reveal. I hope they open with them arriving at Winterfell. Episode. 2, action. Episode 3-4. This looks like the retreat south. When you talk about mirroring, this should be an inverse of her time with the Dothraki. Arrival at KL in 4. 5. Action. I figure Dany is in on the action. So an option here is for Dany to go into labor at the end of the episode. It would be easy for her to get to Dragonstone on Drogon, if he's still alive. But I think both Dany and Jon have to be in the final battle. So still pregnant up to that point. 6. Baby could be born here as well. It's not that easy to squeeze in. It could also be the final scene. I still think there will be an epilouge. But I can't say I feel it's a lock. Be nice closure wise. But nice and Thrones usually don't go hand in hand. Anyway with Dany in on the action that removes 2 episodes, episodes 1-4 seem like it would be to early, end of episode 5, or Episode 6 are the only times I can think of. Do Jon and Dany get married? Are they just friends after the fact? I think D&D will be looking at the pace of the season, to address it, but late 5 and episode 6 look like the only times. I also think Cersei may try and have the baby killed, or preggo Dany killed. Maybe hire a faceless man, enter Arya. Faceless men gotta make an apperance in the last season. All that time with Arya couldn't have just been for that 1 minute scene with the Freys. They love the fate card, this has gotta be the fate card for Arya right? Everyone has gotta have their moment, the kids avenged their father with LF. But Bran did not become the 3 eyed Raven for that. Sansa didn't learn all she did so she could manage Winterfell grain storage, it's gotta be so she can be there to read Cersei. Tyrion and Sansa working together to spot the trap. Arya spotting a face she recognizes.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 22, 2018 6:54:23 GMT -5
In the interview I translated from the Spanish You-tuber who did the analysis for "Truth" he was talking about some current leaks. I'll put them under spoiler tags but they're not that big of a deal. He said that recently (a few days ago) some leaks had come out about how there are going to be multiple time-jumps throughout the season. I think most of us had expected that something like this would happen, especially with how liberal they were last season with time continuity and time-lapses.
I'm sure that some of the time-lapse will be do to Dany's pregnancy. But I wonder if they'll be a large time-jump after she gives birth or if it'll just be contained to that for the most part.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 23, 2018 22:44:43 GMT -5
Some more stunt info. Gemita Samarra features in ep. 803. She's been in the show before, not as a stunt performer but as one of the Braavosi prostitutes in ep. 509. I remember finding her name on IMDB or twitter or wherever while snooping for s5 information back in the AFOIAF days. www.imdb.com/name/nm5106314/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr89She does a lot of work as a stunt double (for instance she doubled for Lea Seydoux in Spectre) but here she's only credited as doing stunt work, not doubling for anyone in specific. So for all we know that could mean she's playing some random wildling woman in the battle or a lady-wight something like that. Or maybe it'll be updated. If she is doubling however it's probably for Sophie or for Megan Parkinson (Alys Karstark). She's 5'7 and they're 5'9 and 5'6 respectively, so they'd fit. With Alys being more likely imho because she had a sword in 701 and is potentially martially inclined. She wouldn't be doubling for Emilia or Maisie because they're too short and there's a lady that tends to double for them already or for Gwendoline because there's a guy that doubles for her when she needs it, which she doesn't tend to. Anyhow, long story short this COULD mean some manner of action scene featuring either Sansa or Alys Karstark in 803. More likely the latter. Or it could mean fuckall but hey, it's the off-season and this is the only new thing I could really glean from the 803 IMDB page. Also she's quite attractive so it's never a bother when her name pops up during my GoT-snooping.
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Post by nikma on Aug 25, 2018 9:49:51 GMT -5
Just kill me please.
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