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Post by mandzipop on Feb 17, 2019 12:18:58 GMT -5
Sansa is a character who, if she survives (which I think she will), could be one of the most important characters in bringing peace to Westeros, sadly via marriage. In all likelihood she will end up as Wardeness of the North. So this semi shipping thread is based upon her survival and in the position of who are the possibilities of her marrying. After Dany and Cersei, Sansa is the most powerful female in Westeros based upon her position.
Some may end up being her having to forfeit her position of Wardeness of the North, handing it to Arya if she was to marry someone of high standing. So I've drawn up a list of suitors I think are possibilities. I don't think any can be ruled out as in all likelihood these would mainly be political marriage options and they all depend on circumstances, so if I include some that aren't popular as the said suitor is shipped with another character, therefore please don't take offense if I include someone like that. There are a couple of exceptions which could be viewed as ships in other ways.
The list is in no particular order and I am including characters I suspect will not make it to the end of the show.
Jon - If Dany dies and Jon takes the Iron throne, in theory he will need to wed. Yes it would be a very icky match, and once upon a time I did ship this match, but only in the political sense. It would reinforce his Stark heritage as I can see there would be concerns over his Targ heritage from the previous Targ dynasty. Sansa would also be an option to raise a child who wasn't hers, but instead of hating it like her mother hated Jon, she'd love the child. The teaser has reinforced my opinion that she will be the one to raise Jon and Dany's child.
Gendry - I know people ship him with Arya, and so did/do I. However, a case could be made Arya and Gendry's relationship is mainly platonic. There is a good chance Gendry will end up with one of the Stark sisters as it was foreshadowed in S1. My theory is the main characters will get their least desirable S1 outcome. For Sansa, she wanted to be Queen and have princes and princesses. My thought is if Gendry marries Sansa, she will continue to be Lady of Winterfell and Gendry takes on her name. The worst thing S1 Sansa could have imagined would have been staying at Winterfell and marrying a lowborn bastard. There is a possibility this could be a marriage of not just politics, but also of affection. It is an idea I am coming around to.
Tyrion - Powerful figure, technically could be deemed to still be married to him. Would be a powerful political union, but I doubt we'd see any children from it, Sansa has made that position clear. I don't think she would trust Tyrion enough. They would be effective rulers but I could see a power struggle between them. So far, Sansa seems to have been the most effective ruler in the show. She ruled Winterfell and the north for a season and the main backlash she had was her sister. Everyone else has had problems, including Tyrion. I can't see her marrying someone as powerful as she is unless she cares for him. However, if Jamie survives, Sansa could remain Lady of Winterfell and Tyrion take the Stark name. That is the only circumstance I can see where Sansa would be okay with that match.
Robin Arryn - I can see Sansa having less of a problem with Robin than Tyrion. Unless Robin has changed into a powerful man, I think Sansa would be able to boss him about. She would again concede her Wardeness of the North title and rule the Vale. This would be political, but I see this as a fairly likely option, although I'm not sure how much it would achieve for the stability of the realm. I think there would need to be issues between the north and the vale for this match. Maybe killing LF could force a marriage.
Jamie - This is one I really can't see, but as of now, Jamie is an eligible bachelor. Sansa would probably have more chance of being the one in charge with Jamie, and she would be presiding over the Westerlands but if Jamie survives, I think he'd end up with Brienne. Politically it makes some sense, but I can't see either of them going for the match. Sansa hates the Lannisters too much, Tyrion is probably the only one she can tolerate. But that may change in S8. Right now, this is one of my least likeliest of options.
The Hound - I know a lot of book purists are huge SanSan shippers, but it hasn't been followed up in the show. They've had a couple of moments, but it only highlighted Sandor's kindness instead of making it look like a love story. If they were going to pursue it, I think they would have cast someone much younger in the role of The Hound than Rory McCann. There is no love shown in the show and the match would not be political.
Yara - Men have not been the answer for Sansa, why not a woman? I don't see it, mainly because Yara is a Greyjoy and culturally they are too different. Yara would never give up the sea and Sansa wouldn't give up Winterfell for the Iron Islands.
Nobody- For Sansa I think this is something she would choose if she could. Marriage has so far not been kind to her and Ramsey may have done too much damage to her psychologically. She may not be capable of carrying children anymore. We don't know what Ramsey did to her. She asked LF to use his imagination, but I don't have the imagination of a brothel keeper. To her, her children would be the northerners while leaving Arya to be the one to continue the Stark line with Gendry.
Those are the ones off the top of my head. I suspect the most likely one is she'll never remarry. I think she's too damaged. But the scenario is if she has to, then who are the most logical suitors. Gendry, Robin and Jon are the most likely in that order IMO.
I know people don't like Jonsa even being considered, but if anything happens to Dany and Jon does survive and becomes King, then it is not an unlikely scenario. The Jonsa theory is only applicable under a certain set of circumstances. This is not a shipping thread, it is about Sansa's future options if she survives and Jon cannot be ruled out. So Jonerys shippers, please do not be offended by my suggestion. Please do not turn this thread into a shipping war. It is not a Jonsa shipping thread as there are many other suitors and I'm sure I've missed most of them.
My preferred option is nobody. Arya marries Gendry and one of their children takes on the Stark name to carry on the line. However I would find it sad that Sansa dies without finding love at least once in her life. Which logical suitors have I missed?
Any other thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 13:14:41 GMT -5
I ship Sansa on her own with crate-loads of the best red wine Dorne has to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 13:22:39 GMT -5
On a serious note, if Sansa ends the series married to a known character, there are only two realistic options for me: Tyrion and Robin. Although I only list Robin as Sansa has a strong link with the Vale already through Petyr. However, I don't actually think a marriage alliance is required between the North and the Vale. Sansa and Robin are already family (cousins) and have no animosity towards one another so there is no reason for them to marry to bridge a gap. That's where Tyrion is a whole other matter. The Lannisters are loathed in the North and a marriage alliance could be brokered there to fix that. I have some problems with that though. Sansa was the Stark most directly harmed by the Lannisters and I think it would be sort of cruel for her to be the one to have to marry one (again) to fix that. Not that I think it will happen - I think all the Lannisters die, so.
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Post by Envie on Feb 19, 2019 10:21:31 GMT -5
I think similarly to @fireandblood on the choice of marrying Robin. She has no need to marry him as she already has The Vale on her side and Robin's her first cousin so they will remain an alliance regardless of marriage. In the books she was going to possibly marry Harry the Heir, a cousin to Sweetrobin anyway so it's definitely a theme, but I suspect not one that plays out in the books either. I think something happens to prevent her marrying Harry in the books and I'm glad because he's a dickhead. Of course, even a dickhead is preferable to Ramsay Bolton. I still ship Sansa with Tyrion for political reasons and even possibly some mutual respect and love. Sansa admitted Tyrion was always kind to her and in the end, if both are still alive, we need a way to bring Westeros back together to rebuild it and what better way than a Stark/Lannister union that's not forced or at least is acceptable? However, Tyrion will never be accepted in the North and there's a part of me feels like Sansa's not going to leave the north again. Her entire story was about a spoiled little girl with big ideals and dreams going off to marry a prince only to find out that reality is much less glamorous (and in fact terrifying) than her dreams. her return to Winterfell is the story of a woman who has grown to realize the thing she wanted to escape is actually the thing she needs and loves the most. Sansa was the key player in winning back Winterfell. She bullied Jon into action, she led the campaign to try and muster their bannermen, and she manipulated Littlefinger into bringing The Vale to save the battle at the last minute. The North may have named Jon Snow King of the North but as far as I'm concerned, it's Sansa who won it with political mastery and leadership, especially after Jon left to meet Daenerys. She deserves to rule Winterfell so whoever she marries needs to be completely onboard with that and also acceptable to the north, if there's even a north left after it's all over. What if Winterfell is destroyed? Then what? Where will Sansa go? Arya is never going to lead a castle or house, we know this already. "No, that's not me." For practical purposes, Gendry as regaining House Baratheon makes a lot of sense (despite my shipping him with Arya like many do). I've never been a San San shipper but Sandor Clegane is as good a candidate as any if he survives too! Sansa at least knows she can trust him. I'm not sure he makes a great "Lord" or leader candidate, however. He's at least got the stubborn streak and survivor in him like northerners even if he isn't one, haha. And that's about all I have to say on most of the candidates. None of them, Jaime included, make any real sense. I don't expect Jaime to survive the battles, and Theon probably goes out too. Jora Mormont will probably be reunited with his house but also die a hero's death and is much too old for Sansa. So unless it's some nameless northern lord from another house she ends up marrying - there just really isn't a great candidate for Sansa based purely on the remaining bachelors we know of still living and whether or not they survive the ending. If the north is completely destroyed (Winterfell included) then I see Sansa staying wherever Jon/Dany/Tyrion and whoever survives are and being an advisor in their council. Perhaps then she can find someone who truly loves her without political reasons.
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Post by mandzipop on Feb 19, 2019 10:55:00 GMT -5
I think similarly to @fireandblood on the choice of marrying Robin. She has no need to marry him as she already has The Vale on her side and Robin's her first cousin so they will remain an alliance regardless of marriage. In the books she was going to possibly marry Harry the Heir, a cousin to Sweetrobin anyway so it's definitely a theme, but I suspect not one that plays out in the books either. I think something happens to prevent her marrying Harry in the books and I'm glad because he's a dickhead. Of course, even a dickhead is preferable to Ramsay Bolton. I still ship Sansa with Tyrion for political reasons and even possibly some mutual respect and love. Sansa admitted Tyrion was always kind to her and in the end, if both are still alive, we need a way to bring Westeros back together to rebuild it and what better way than a Stark/Lannister union that's not forced or at least is acceptable? However, Tyrion will never be accepted in the North and there's a part of me feels like Sansa's not going to leave the north again. Her entire story was about a spoiled little girl with big ideals and dreams going off to marry a prince only to find out that reality is much less glamorous (and in fact terrifying) than her dreams. her return to Winterfell is the story of a woman who has grown to realize the thing she wanted to escape is actually the thing she needs and loves the most. Sansa was the key player in winning back Winterfell. She bullied Jon into action, she led the campaign to try and muster their bannermen, and she manipulated Littlefinger into bringing The Vale to save the battle at the last minute. The North may have named Jon Snow King of the North but as far as I'm concerned, it's Sansa who won it with political mastery and leadership, especially after Jon left to meet Daenerys. She deserves to rule Winterfell so whoever she marries needs to be completely onboard with that and also acceptable to the north, if there's even a north left after it's all over. What if Winterfell is destroyed? Then what? Where will Sansa go? Arya is never going to lead a castle or house, we know this already. "No, that's not me." For practical purposes, Gendry as regaining House Baratheon makes a lot of sense (despite my shipping him with Arya like many do). I've never been a San San shipper but Sandor Clegane is as good a candidate as any if he survives too! Sansa at least knows she can trust him. I'm not sure he makes a great "Lord" or leader candidate, however. He's at least got the stubborn streak and survivor in him like northerners even if he isn't one, haha. And that's about all I have to say on most of the candidates. None of them, Jaime included, make any real sense. I don't expect Jaime to survive the battles, and Theon probably goes out too. Jora Mormont will probably be reunited with his house but also die a hero's death and is much too old for Sansa. So unless it's some nameless northern lord from another house she ends up marrying - there just really isn't a great candidate for Sansa based purely on the remaining bachelors we know of still living and whether or not they survive the ending. If the north is completely destroyed (Winterfell included) then I see Sansa staying wherever Jon/Dany/Tyrion and whoever survives are and being an advisor in their council. Perhaps then she can find someone who truly loves her without political reasons.
I'm a Gendry and Arya shipper, however they make the most sense. The alternative to me is being on her own or finding someone who isn't a high lord, but instead for love.
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Post by Envie on Feb 19, 2019 12:54:04 GMT -5
I'm a Gendry and Arya shipper, however they make the most sense. The alternative to me is being on her own or finding someone who isn't a high lord, but instead for love. Well, I doubt we're going to get much of an epilogue into the future but it would be really awesome if we did and got to see a little bit of what happens to each of our favorite characters who survive it. Sansa meeting someone for love is a longshot that will take time (and healing) which she isn't going to get much of in Season 8's finale, I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:41:39 GMT -5
Sansa with no one is the ending she deserves. And agree with Envie that her story has been all about her slow realisation that the inversion of what she wanted at the beginning is what she truly wants. I think the question is whether that's an inversion of 'getting married' generally (ie she stays alone) or 'getting married for love' (ie she marries for political expedience. She could end up either an Elizabeth I, married to the North. Or an Elizabeth of York, married for politics. Personally I prefer the former, but that may just be my inner stan talking.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 20, 2019 1:45:00 GMT -5
The show messed up her story to much, I can't see her with anyone on the show. The political situation is also up in the air in every single one of the seven Kingdoms and then some. They destroyed the Martells, and Tyrells, so Sam has to get his ass back to the reach at some point.
Who sits in Winterfell? Does Bran act normal again or survive. If not it's gotta be Sansa.
Gendry is needed in the Stormlands,
Tyrion is needed in KL and at the Rock.
Part of the problem is everyone is basically need someplace else to help rebuild. If people get married most likely it will be to solidify the individual kingdoms. You have empty castles all over the place. In fact they basically made whole kingdoms vanish on the show.
Arya may marry and she is the only one really available to go someplace else. I find it funny that people always assume Arya can't fall in love or Marry because of something she said when she was 9. She's only 11 after 5 books. Oh my gosh a 9 year old girl said boys are yucky what a shock.
The way I see it their is nobody for her to choose from on the show because they have cut most of the depth of the kingdoms. In the books I hope it's not Harry, and I think Edric Dayne has a shot.
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Post by Envie on Feb 20, 2019 9:25:13 GMT -5
Arya may marry and she is the only one really available to go someplace else. I find it funny that people always assume Arya can't fall in love or Marry because of something she said when she was 9. She's only 11 after 5 books. Oh my gosh a 9 year old girl said boys are yucky what a shock. First of all, you are mixing up the show and the books here with this statement. She's much older on the show, so being snarky about how she said something as a kid doesn't even make sense. Secondly, it's not even accurate since just last season, we had more confirmation of her feelings on this subject. Maybe you forgot this iconic line? I'm not sure why you want to be so sarcastic about people not thinking Arya will marry or settle down. It's been her 'theme' all along, not just as a kid, but as a young adult who has gone through a serious life change that further cements her identity. It's fairly obvious she's not your typical girl anymore and despite "boys are yucky" bullshit kid remarks, she's grown up on the show and become a full-fledged fighter and assassin thanks to her faceless man training. I think this is clear she meant what she said as a kid and as an adult now. She sees Nymeria and realizes that her wolf has moved on and has a new life, and so has she herself. I do NOT see Arya suddenly deciding to be domestic and settling down with some Lord and managing a keep. That would be a weird ending to her story, no matter how much I ship her with Gendry from a romantic perspective. Whatever your beef with this theme is, try to be a little more understanding of others perspective on it even if you disagree. Arya is my number one favorite character from the books for her story. But even then, it's because of her story, not because I want to shoe-horn her character into a happy ending. I realize that's not likely going to happen. She's not going to suddenly throw herself into Jon Snow's arms like a little girl and she's not going to settle down and marry a Lord (Gendry or otherwise). The clues have been given all along, including this: Now, this thread is about Sansa, so I'm not going to derail it further with a heated Arya debate - but your snarky remark left me feeling like that issue needed to be addressed properly. I don't think it's unreasonable or ridiculous at all to think Arya may never settle down. The signs are all there since she left for Braavos, and her entire story has followed it to the letter.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 21, 2019 0:28:35 GMT -5
Envie You need to chill girl, I wasn't being Snarky about anything, and I was not making a single comment directed at you. I read the OP and wrote a short response. I have not read any of the other posts, I didn't have the time. Why would I ever be snarky with you? As for Arya she was a child when the show started and I think only 11. 9-11 not a huge difference book and show, she got older on the show cause she is a real person. If book Arya aged with the rest of us she would be like 30 and probably totally hooking up with someone. Anyway I'll read the rest of your post later, I only stopped in to see if anything dropped and thought I better respond cause you seemed upset. Don't be, you are one of the last people I would get snarky with on this site, we buds. Promis I'll read it later but I really need sleep now.
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Post by Envie on Feb 21, 2019 9:21:45 GMT -5
I wasn't being Snarky about anything, and I was not making a single comment directed at you. No worries, I'm not upset. I was just up on my high horse about the topic of Arya not wanting to marry. I know your remark wasn't aimed at me in particular but you did say "people always assume" (and I'm one of those people) which isn't true and the rest just felt like sarcastic jabbing at fans who take her seriously when she says she's not going to grow up to be the wife of some lord. And for that part, she has stuck to her word. She's definitely the exact opposite of prime marriage material on the show. After 7 seasons of being the wayward wolf (lone wolf?) - she does understand she needs her family ... "the pack survives" and all that. But I don't think she's going to suddenly change now and settle down after the big battle for the dawn is done. In fact, if Winterfell is destroyed, that may give her even more reason to travel onward. While it might seem like a great opportunity for her to go and become Lady Baratheon with Gendry, it just really doesn't seem to fit her end-story to me. And again, I totally ship her with Gendry and I do think she had a girl's crush on him. Maybe I'm just preparing for the fact we have no idea who even survives the ending to begin with let alone who gets a 'happy' ending (probably very few people). But going back around to Sansa to keep the topic on track - I was reading some recent interviews with Sophie and she has always been a big troll in past seasons about clues, but I think this season she (like many of the other actors) has been more sincere and emotional about it because it's the end of a long career that has spanned most of her young life. But mixed in with that emotion is some nostalgia and maybe a few clues. She mentioned feeling like Sansa is much more confident and in her element now. She "knows what she wants and where she wants to be" ... which to me really indicates that Sansa has come full circle and wants to be in Winterfell and is confident about leading there. She also mentioned that being 'tested' which may indicate with the invasion of undead, her leadership abilities will be put to the test, or it could mean some sort of confrontation towards the end with Cersei, who knows! But whatever the case, it seems to me Sophie is hinting that Sansa isn't going to get 'taken advantage of' anymore like she has in the past and that has to mean IF she marries, it's definitely going to be on her own terms and for the right reasons. I do feel, more and more, we may not see Sansa (or Arya, either one) marry because the ending will be dramatic and leave it ambiguous for the future.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 21, 2019 11:02:09 GMT -5
EnvieI get on my horse all the time, especially when I generalize like that. I didn't mean too but it happens. With Arya, who I like very much I sort of take a simple approach. I think she meant what she said, but the basis for my argument is rooted in growth and how people change. I'll use show Arya since book Arya is sort of in a different place. I don't think Arya would ever be considered a typical person, but as life happens she has changed and will continue to do so. Like Arya wanted to kill the Hound he was on the list, but she also sort of developed feelings for him as a person. She could of punched his clock but instead walked away. A better example might be the faceless,en, she wanted very badly to be no one, but then she discovered what she really wanted was to be Arya Stark. I don't think of her as someone who would ever be a typical lady, I mean she was born a lady but I don't see her putting on a dress and knitting or anything like that, ever. I see her more like Jon's mom, she wanted to be a warrior but also she fell in love. Which I don't think she expected to do. I also think Arya could fall in love, I just don't see her settling down, at least not for a couple of decades. I was projecting her forward in time when I was talking about her. I could see her running off and seeing the world with someone however rather than be alone. I am also trying to figure out what circumstance the characters will find themselves in. Like Jon and Bran currently appear out of the picture for ruling Winterfell or rebuilding it. So that leaves Sansa and as you say her story comes full circle that's where she wants to be. I don't see her getting hitched, but if she did I don't think it would be to anyone who would have her leaving the North in any permanent way. Plus I think she is going to do what she wants as you do. She doesn't really need any major allies as she already has them. SR? forget it, zero chance. Tyrion? Zero chance and that's if they live. SanSan? I don't see it at all, I like both characters but even if she loved him, I could see Sandor being like are you nuts, I am totally messed. I actually see the hound with someone more like Brie or someone who gets his perspective. Not Gendry, I think Arya would off her. I think Arya has feelings for him, even if it never happens it's like no he's off limits. Though I could see Sansa liking him, Because he is likable, they are closer in age then her and Tyrion or the hound, he's a good person, he's nice etc. Book wise I feel the same about her and Edric. Dear lord please not Harry, he's such a tool. Outside of those names the show has just eliminated so much depth it's hard to find a match for her or if she would ever want one. Though I do hope the Stark name continues. Even if Jon is legitamte he's a legitamized Targ. If him and Dany survive and have like multiple children and Sansa and Arya never marry and Bran stays... Aloof then it would be there 2nd or 3rd child that gets Winterfell. But that would be a Targ not a Stark though without a doubt they would be called the Ice Dragon it does not feel right to me. It should be a Stark, Stark. So I end up being left with one of the three Starks, and Arya is the only one with a good match, unless Bran snaps out of it, lives and makes up with Meera. Like with Arya and Gendry, I could see her saying I am not wearing a dress... Ever and Gendry being like fine don't care cause I don't see him being bothered by anything she would want. Unlike Lyanna and Robert, this pair is a good match and it's also full circle to where the story actually got started. I also except it may never happen book or show. And Sansa, I mean I feel like the word marriage would give her hives. I know it does to me. I would find it more interesting if she didn't marry, and sort of just dove into her work and had the occasional affair. Granted I am probably projecting. I don't ship eaither of them with anyone maybe Arya/Gendry and with Sansa and Edric, because he sort of ticks off all the boxes and well I mean Stark/Dayne Union. And Dawn comes north and they need a replacement for ice and like her kids could be like total and Arya could train them and why isn't he on the show, he solves so many future problems. He's like opposite Joff and has a castle called Starfall. And let's be honest even though she has grown, he ticks some of her fairy tail boxes. I think she has earned some fairy tail.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 21, 2019 11:16:39 GMT -5
Edric, Edric, Edric! It could be their summer home, on the summer sea. House Dayne + Stark = House Dark. Oooo
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