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Post by sercreighton on Apr 3, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -5
Since I am feeling particularly evil today and I have finished monologuing. So in the trailer, how many people do we see? 4, two kings and 2 queens. Dany and Jon seem to be the good king and queen while Cersei and the Night King the bad. Moiaf might call them counterparts. Now 1 of these pair are Dragons and the other pair according to me are Lions. Of Course Cersei is a known lion and I think like Jon the Night Kings lineage is hidden but the same as what we will call his Queen. Note the frosty breath Cersei reveals. So do we have a pair of Dragons and Lions? With both Kings lineage hidden but the same as their respective Queens? Before we go to the eye shot of the Night King that people are talking about. Lets look at his first appearance. Count the men in black and you get 13. Now people are talking about what may or may not be reflected in the eye. Don't care that much personally. But in the series as in our world you have an all seeing eye. In the series it is known as the third eye and we know the Night King like Bloodraven and Bran has it. In our world an eye and the number 3 is symbolized as the all seeing eye. Now e know the series associates it with three and in our world it is associated with the pyramid, the triangle and the trinity. But is it ever associated with 13? The 13 levels of the pyramid. Lots of 13's on US money. Of course this is tied to the 13 colonies, the free masons, the Illuminati, little green aliens, you name it. 13 is also the number of the last hero and his companions. Is it the same person? Is it juxtaposed? I do not know, but I do know the Night King and the Casterly name vanished way back when and Casterly predates Lannister and Lannister was said to be pre long night, the age of Hero's. Though the House like the Starks does not really seem to appear till post long night. If you look at history, mythology and religion you might be able to make some connections as well. As an example you could look at Jacob and the 12 tribes. Then take the tribe of Dan who were one of the 12 tribes, but strangely enough did not appear in the 144,000 revelations and because of this are sometimes referred to as the lost tribe or the 13th tribe. While Dan was called the judge he was also called a Lions whelp and a serpent. Within the Tribe of Dan, the Danites and seems to have inspirations and contemporaries in Hercules and possibly Enkidu (Famous statue of him holding a lion and a serpent) and like Azur these men had slayed a lion. Though you never when it comes down to history, Martin tends to take bits from here and there and spin them into his own story. He may just like the idea of somethings imagery in a scene. In my opinion the possibility of the NK being a lion is close to zero, if not zero. These are all very far-fetched and complicated ideas, I tend to think that the truth lies in simplicity (Actually you were probably not serious, those seem like deep tinfoil and ironic but I'm answering seriously anyway, I'm a serious guy . If Jon and Dany are the good king and the good queen as you said, and Cersei is obviously the evil one, then we have a dragon representing the good side, and a half dragon half wolf representing the good side again, and a lion as the evil guy. If the NK is also a lion, it would come to "good dragons/wolves vs evil lions". GRRM is not telling such a story, he is questioning the concepts of good and evil, he is saying that it's not easy to tell who is good who is evil, seemingly good guys can do terrible things (for example Dany comes with good intentions but according to leaks the wall falls because one of her dragons becomes the NK's wight and he destroys the wall with it, so actually Dany unintentionally helps the NK by bringing her dragons to Westeros; and I think Bran helped him too when he got too close to the NK and accidentally allowed him to touch his arm), seemingly bad guys can save the world, people change and evolve into different things, there are heroes and there are destroyers in all groups of people etc. He is not a racist. He would never portray a house or a bloodline as the ultimate evil guys, and make all of the rest of houses and bloodlines the ultimate good guys. So according to me Cersei being an evil lion in the dark team proves that the other member of the team is NOT a lion. I would say that he probably has either Stark or Targaryen origin. ETA: Based on the leaks, my guess is that he is actually a dragon, because it seems like he is the third head of the dragons. He will ride the 3rd dragon, the ice dragon Viserion. Fans always thought that the 3rd dragon would be a good guy, s/he would fight against WW together with the other 2, but it turns out that the 3rd dragon rider is the NK, the archenemy of the other 2. This makes more sense to me anyway, I think this is a good twist. Well you can be as serious as like, and while I like to clown around, I take my mask off for theories. Now that is not a theory, that is me talking about the trailer. However I added in the MacUmber example after the fact. Because I was still working on that. As for the Night King = Casterly? Well you have not read that? It's floating around somewhere. MacUmber would be just one example, from the books or show. Like Moiaf knows what I am talking about when I say that, because she has read my theories and even principles which I wrote which are considered much more fact than theory these days. I have a slightly different approach to theories than most. For me it is an evolutionary process, 1 it creates dialogue, and 2 you never know when or where you will find support sometimes. Like MacUmber, never thought about the name used on the show till yesterday. Imagine how surprised I was to find a Lion. Or the number 13, you might think I came up with that idea. I didn't, Elio Garcia the founder of AFOIAF and one of Martin's friends and the Co-Author of the world book made that observation. I use it because Elio has inside information. He is actually currently sitting on hundreds if not thousands of pages of Martin's history that nobody else has seen. Personally I would just look at the MacUmber example, it's a good one but it's like one of many. You just have not seen the other examples. Most have so I just don't bother posting them again. Originally I thought he might be a Lannister, but as more information and support came up I became more inclined to him being a Casterly. Either way he is probably a Lion. Which may seem odd but if you understand the paralleled symbolism in the series then things get a lot easier. That's why people like Moiaf write about parallels, a lot of people do. There is a reason. Now I totally understand your take on that post, I even understand why you feel that way. That post deliberately has some things in it that are very out there. There is stuff in their that is tin foil and conspiracy theory. Then there are religious examples. Most people who know me know there is a reason I might throw things like that out there. It's not generally to be used, I am a big believer in trying to get people to think outside the box. Because you never know what you might find. You might end up on a trail of bread crumbs that lead you to a thought that leads you to support. Sometimes things seem obvious but can be wrong and some time things are much more obscure but are right. The idea is not to support a belief, the idea is to find the truth. I never went out looking for the Night King's origin, when it started I was looking at something about Bran. But I followed my nose. So I will give you some examples. MacUmber I think is a good example. I will use your own post, but I want to address something about Jon. You say Jon is half wolf right? Do you call the Stark children half fish? Anyway lets get to a couple of examples. Viserion? Do you remember his roar? It's associated with Lions, just like Drogon is associated with? The breaking of the world. Dany is also associated with Lions. Her white Lion skin that Drogo gave her. She has a vision of a Lion, a warning about a Lion. Who was it that was watching Viserion and picked up the white Dragon chess piece? It was a Lion wasn't it. It led a lot of people to think Tyrion would ride Viserion. But since his birth that dragon has been associated with Lions. Clinging to a Lions skin would be another. You say fans thought 3 people would ride the dragons. I say their will be another battle over the gods, just like in the Dance and I have said that for awhile. Now take the stories of the Night Fort. You know the tales? The rat cook, mad axe, the thing that came in the night, the curse on the Andel king, Danny Flint, and of course the Night King. Now think most people separate those. But what if they are all about the same person? You ever see the sigil for house Flynt of Widows watch? Blue eyes. Most people in the north don't have blue eyes, they have dark grey eyes, because they are first men. A great example of the first men are the Wildlings. They are closer to the first men, than those south of the wall. Now here is the thing Martin uses the name Dany or Danny with only two characters Deanerys and Danny Flint. I think Danny Flint may have even become the Night Queen. Now you know what color Martin says those eyes are not blue, Azure. Which is interesting given the Night King is juxtaposed to Azur, who is also known like Drogo to have killed a Lion. Do you know the full story of the rat cook? This cook fed the Andel King his son. Do you know the name of the Andel King, it's one of two people. King Tywell of the Rock, they do not give his last name, or Oswell of the Vale. Now lets say it was Tywell, and his son was actually Oswell of the Vale. If you are from the rock it does not matter if you are a Lannister or a Casterly, you are a lion. So now there is this good chance that there was a Lion at the Night Fort very early on. That might send him into a very dark place. Maybe he became Mad Axe, the axe also being a sign of the Andels, the men of the Axe. And of course the Rat Cook, I doubt this person got away with it and I doubt this Lion would be very forgiving. Maybe he did a whole lot of bad after that. So there is a good chance that you have a Lion at the Night the Night Fort, where the Night King originated. Would not even be the first Lion of Night would it? Now like Dany's story with Drogo, you have the Night King and Queen. The Lion is a classical symbol of the Sun Martin even brings it up in world. So you essentially have sun and moon at the Night Fort and the Sun swallowed the moon. You know Tyrion once saw a Moon over Valyria reflected huge on the water, he commented that the Moon was so large it looked like it swallowed a sun. Which is essentially what happened with Dany the moon of Drogos Life, took in the fire of her Sun and Stars. "The Fire is Mine" "The Bride of Fire" The Night King story would be a very Dark inversion of this. Honestly there is a lot out there that you might need to catch up on. You would need to understand how parallels work, the sun and moon and the unity of opposition, the horned lord theory aka the blue eyed Kings. Like Robert was a Blue eyed King and Stannis was a Blue eyed King and the Night King is a Blue eyed king.
I will tell you this when all is said and done, he will have been a Casterly and, more than likely have some relation to the Starks or Bran the Builder more specifically. Pretty sure a Lion built the First Keep of Winterfell. The round construction of the tower, Bran's little clue "They may have been lions once" the fact that Bran is also associated with Storms End, the home of Storm Lords and also a round structure and as Martin told us it was the Andels who built the round structures not the first men. Bran the Builder would also be heavily associated with ice and the wall.
You ever wonder why the First Men, the Wildlings are on the wrong side of the wall? Because they refused to bend knee. But the Question is to who did they refuse. Because first men did not have Knight's, they did not have kings, they did not have Castles. It was Bran the builder who founded house Stark, yet he appears to come from the south. House Stark pops up, the Lannisters pop up and the Casterly's vanish, just like the Night's King's name was removed from the books.
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Post by Chris on Apr 4, 2017 2:22:47 GMT -5
To tell the truth, I don't see why these ideas seem plausible to you, they don't make sense to me at all. In fact I'm willing to bet that the NK is originally a dragon, would you be interested in a bet? My theory is that the NK is Viserys Targaryen, I came up with this theory a long time ago. I believe that he was resurrected like Jon by another Red Priestess in Essos, travelled to the lands of always winter, became a WW and the new king of WW. 2 years passed in the books after his death, so there is enough time for him to emerge as the new king of others in the books, possibly in the next book or in the final book. He is the third head of dragons, one of three children of the Mad King (Rhaegar will be replaced by Jon), represented by Viserion. Viserys the Night King will ride his own dragon, Viserion, the ice dragon. Viserys is ice, Daenerys is fire. The night king is actually one of the legitimate heirs of the throne, and he is coming to get it. He doesn't have hair unlike other WW, because the molten gold had been poured over his head, that's why he looks a bit different than other WW. Notice the similarity between the bodies and faces of the NK and Viserys in the show (the first actor who played the NK, I think they changed the actor later because D&D try really hard to hide this plot twist): fabmoment.fablabzeeland.com/wp-content/uploads/ninja-forms/viserystargaryen.jpgi1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article11373711.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/king.jpgThis is my main theory, I'm pretty confident in this theory and willing to bet on it if anybody is interested in a bet (I have been betting on this theory that I came up with since October when I read the spoiler about Viserion becoming the NK's ice dragon in season 7 finale).
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Post by moiaf on Apr 4, 2017 7:55:24 GMT -5
To tell the truth, I don't see why these ideas seem plausible to you, they don't make sense to me at all. In fact I'm willing to bet that the NK is originally a dragon, would you be interested in a bet? My theory is that the NK is Viserys Targaryen, I came up with this theory a long time ago. I believe that he was resurrected like Jon by another Red Priestess in Essos, travelled to the lands of always winter, became a WW and the new king of WW. 2 years passed in the books after his death, so there is enough time for him to emerge as the new king of others in the books, possibly in the next book or in the final book. He is the third head of dragons, one of three children of the Mad King (Rhaegar will be replaced by Jon), represented by Viserion. Viserys the Night King will ride his own dragon, Viserion, the ice dragon. Viserys is ice, Daenerys is fire. The night king is actually one of the legitimate heirs of the throne, and he is coming to get it. He doesn't have hair unlike other WW, because the molten gold had been poured over his head, that's why he looks a bit different than other WW. Notice the similarity between the bodies and faces of the NK and Viserys in the show (the first actor who played the NK, I think they changed the actor later because D&D try really hard to hide this plot twist): fabmoment.fablabzeeland.com/wp-content/uploads/ninja-forms/viserystargaryen.jpgi1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article11373711.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/king.jpgThis is my main theory, I'm pretty confident in this theory and willing to bet on it if anybody is interested in a bet (I have been betting on this theory that I came up with since October when I read the spoiler about Viserion becoming the NK's ice dragon in season 7 finale). Sorry, but I really think you should reconsider your bet. There are some huge holes in this theory, which if we are using both books and show to see it's plausibility the books pretty much disprove it. Here are a few problems I see with the theory: A) Per the information we have the Night's King was the the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. That means that he came to be who he was centuries after the Long Night, the War for Dawn and the raising of the Wall. But more importantly GRRM has told us that he's unlikely to appear in the books: B) The appearance of the Others in the series was well before Viserys died. You would imagine that if there was to be a Night's King (in the books) he would have been the first to wake and thus then wake the others. C) Most importantly, both the Dothraki and the Targaryen burn their dead. Viserys was almost certainly burned in a pyre. Dany would never have left his body lay around and she wouldn't have buried him as that's not her costume. I would grant you this, the Night's King or the Other's in general might have have a common ancestry with our heroes but that's from a long time ago.
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Post by Chris on Apr 4, 2017 10:13:22 GMT -5
To tell the truth, I don't see why these ideas seem plausible to you, they don't make sense to me at all. In fact I'm willing to bet that the NK is originally a dragon, would you be interested in a bet? My theory is that the NK is Viserys Targaryen, I came up with this theory a long time ago. I believe that he was resurrected like Jon by another Red Priestess in Essos, travelled to the lands of always winter, became a WW and the new king of WW. 2 years passed in the books after his death, so there is enough time for him to emerge as the new king of others in the books, possibly in the next book or in the final book. He is the third head of dragons, one of three children of the Mad King (Rhaegar will be replaced by Jon), represented by Viserion. Viserys the Night King will ride his own dragon, Viserion, the ice dragon. Viserys is ice, Daenerys is fire. The night king is actually one of the legitimate heirs of the throne, and he is coming to get it. He doesn't have hair unlike other WW, because the molten gold had been poured over his head, that's why he looks a bit different than other WW. Notice the similarity between the bodies and faces of the NK and Viserys in the show (the first actor who played the NK, I think they changed the actor later because D&D try really hard to hide this plot twist): fabmoment.fablabzeeland.com/wp-content/uploads/ninja-forms/viserystargaryen.jpgi1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article11373711.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/king.jpgThis is my main theory, I'm pretty confident in this theory and willing to bet on it if anybody is interested in a bet (I have been betting on this theory that I came up with since October when I read the spoiler about Viserion becoming the NK's ice dragon in season 7 finale). Sorry, but I really think you should reconsider your bet. There are some huge holes in this theory, which if we are using both books and show to see it's plausibility the books pretty much disprove it. Here are a few problems I see with the theory: A) Per the information we have the Night's King was the the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. That means that he came to be who he was centuries after the Long Night, the War for Dawn and the raising of the Wall. But more importantly GRRM has told us that he's unlikely to appear in the books: B) The appearance of the Others in the series was well before Viserys died. You would imagine that if there was to be a Night's King (in the books) he would have been the first to wake and thus then wake the others. C) Most importantly, both the Dothraki and the Targaryen burn their dead. Viserys was almost certainly burned in a pyre. Dany would never have left his body lay around and she wouldn't have buried him as that's not her costume. I would grant you this, the Night's King or the Other's in general might have have a common ancestry with our heroes but that's from a long time ago. 1) The night's King who lived thousands of years ago is different than this one. That's why I prefer to say "the new king of others". The first NK died, that's why nobody saw him in the books until now, and in the show until the 4th season. GRRM tells us that the Night's King died thousands of years ago and he won't come back, which is true. Because the guy we see in the show is a new king of others, not the ancient king. The new king will show up in the books too, as I said, once the winter comes. 2) D&D used the same actor when they showed the creation of the first NK, in my opinion they did it only to mislead fans, so that nobody would be able to see the plot twist because they would think that the NK we see is the one who was created long time ago. But actually that can't happen, can it? A very important point: Watch the scene where the first NK is created, portrayed by that first NK actor, you can see that they don't show the whole transformation. His eyes start changing and the scene ends, they never show that he changes completely, that he becomes bald, and looks like the NK. We don't see it because that NK wasn't looking like this NK. This guy doesn't have hair and his head is a bit weird because of the molten gold. The second important point is that, they used the same actor for this NK, yes, but then they changed the actor who plays the NK, he looks different now. To me something is fishy there and they are trying to hide something. And also note that in the show actors known to play two different characters, it happened before more than once. An actor playing a WW with heavy make up doesn't mean that they confirm that he is the same guy with the other, according to me it was just a trick to mislead and they changed that actor later. 3) I don't think that he was burned, because there is a scene in which Drogo says that "the body of his enemy won't be burned, because he wouldn't honor his enemies by burning their dead bodies". So, Drogo thinks that burning a corpse honors that person, I believe that it's a setup for not burning Viserys' body. He wouldn't burn Viserys' body either, he hated him. 4) About the appearance of others before Viserys' death: Why would their new king be the first one to show up? Anybody can create WWs by dragonglass, it doesn't have to be the NK. There may be some WW and wights before Viserys death, but they didn't have a king. I believe that there may be a reason why they were not as powerful as the NK, maybe because Viserys being a Kingsblood has an importance, Kingsblood is important in magic. Being dragonblood may be important to, especially when it comes to controlling an ice dragon. These are all speculations at this point but you see that any writer can write explanatory scenarios to these. I have discussed these before, I'm willing to bet if you are interested in betting
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Post by moiaf on Apr 4, 2017 10:46:34 GMT -5
Sorry, but I really think you should reconsider your bet. There are some huge holes in this theory, which if we are using both books and show to see it's plausibility the books pretty much disprove it. Here are a few problems I see with the theory: A) Per the information we have the Night's King was the the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. That means that he came to be who he was centuries after the Long Night, the War for Dawn and the raising of the Wall. But more importantly GRRM has told us that he's unlikely to appear in the books: B) The appearance of the Others in the series was well before Viserys died. You would imagine that if there was to be a Night's King (in the books) he would have been the first to wake and thus then wake the others. C) Most importantly, both the Dothraki and the Targaryen burn their dead. Viserys was almost certainly burned in a pyre. Dany would never have left his body lay around and she wouldn't have buried him as that's not her costume. I would grant you this, the Night's King or the Other's in general might have have a common ancestry with our heroes but that's from a long time ago. 1) The night's King who lived thousands of years ago is different than this one. That's why I prefer to say "the new king of others". The first NK died, that's why nobody saw him in the books until now, and in the show until the 4th season. GRRM tells us that the Night's King died thousands of years ago and he won't come back, which is true. Because the guy we see in the show is a new king of others, not the ancient king. The new king will show up in the books too, as I said, once the winter comes. 2) D&D used the same actor when they showed the creation of the first NK, in my opinion they did it only to mislead fans, so that nobody would be able to see the plot twist because they would think that the NK we see is the one who was created long time ago. But actually that can't happen, can it? A very important point: Watch the scene where the first NK is created, portrayed by that first NK actor, you can see that they don't show the whole transformation. His eyes start changing and the scene ends, they never show that he changes completely, that he becomes bold, and looks like the NK. We don't see it because that NK wasn't looking like this NK. This guy doesn't have hair and his head is a bit weird because of the molten gold. The second important point is that, they used the same actor for this NK, yes, but then they changed the actor who plays the NK, he seems different now. To me something is fishy there and they are trying to hide something. And also note that in the show actors known to play two different characters, it happened before more than once. An actor playing a WW with heavy make up doesn't mean that they confirm that he is the same guy with the other, according to me it was just a trick to mislead and they changed that actor later. 3) I don't think that he was burned, because there is a scene in which Drogo says that "the body of his enemy won't be burned, because he wouldn't honor his enemies by burning their dead bodies". So, Drogo thinks that burning a corpse honors that person, I believe that it's a setup for not burning Viserys' body. He wouldn't burn Viserys' body either, he hated him. 4) About the appearance of others before Viserys' death: Why would their new king be the first one to show up? Anybody can create WWs by dragonglass, it doesn't have to be the NK. There may be some WW and wights before Viserys death, but they didn't have a king. I believe that there may be a reason why they were not as powerful as the NK, maybe because Viserys being a Kingsblood has an importance, Kingsblood is important in magic. Being dragonblood may be important to, especially when it comes to controlling an ice dragon. These are all speculations at this point but you see that any writer can write explanatory scenarios to these. I have discussed these before, I'm willing to bet if you are interested in betting I don't steal candy from children. I enjoy crack theories as much as anyone and I probably have a few crack theories of my own. But this, my friend, is pure unadulterated crack. This is old school crack, I haven't see this stuff in a while. 1) GRRM tells us in exact words that we are as likely to see the Night's King as any other legend from the past, which is to say not likely at all. 2) No 3)Viserys wasn't Drogo's enemy. Viserys did some dumb ass shit and got killed for it. Drogo would never have considered Viserys worthy of being his enemy. Viserys was burned because even if the Dothraki wouldn't have done it is was Dany's culture as well and she could have easily had Jorah do it. There is no discussion or clues whatever that Viserys was not burned. There is no reason why a red priest would give Viserys the kiss of life, no textual evidence to prove this. 4) Again, no. Listen, your theory is fun but it's still crack.
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Post by Chris on Apr 4, 2017 11:06:31 GMT -5
That's fine, I don't try to convince anybody. But if you are not into betting and if I'm proven right, at least would you remember this discussion and give me credit for it? I will probably still be a member here. I had posted this theory first on Reddit a long time ago, but I deleted my account there. I would like at least some people to know that I came up with this theory first if I'm proven right. I trust that you would acknowledge it if I was proven right, although you think it's crack now I'm Andreas Christian from London, first of his name haha
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 13, 2017 22:41:21 GMT -5
Was this one done yet? It's important to note they are both in circles, one of ice and the other of fire and later burnt stuff, you can see it more in a video of the scene. With Dany it's the only death can pay for life moment, with the loss of her child. In the case of the Night king it's not all that different, the child is converted to something else so to speak along with Drogo and the long suspected death of Viserys. Which make up the three dragons. Fire and Ice.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2017 6:58:40 GMT -5
Was this one done yet? It's important to note they are both in circles, one of ice and the other of fire and later burnt stuff, you can see it more in a video of the scene. With Dany it's the only death can pay for life moment, with the loss of her child. In the case of the Night king it's not all that different, the child is converted to something else so to speak along with Drogo and the long suspected death of Viserys. Which make up the three dragons. Fire and Ice. No, I don't think this one has been done yet. Good catch! You can also look at it as, the fire started with three dead dragon eggs and by the time Dany entered the pyre and the pyre had burned out Dany emerged from it with three live dragons. While the Night's King entered the circle with a still live baby and by the time he entered it and emerged from it the baby was somewhat dead or in some kind of dead limbo.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 15, 2017 0:33:45 GMT -5
Yeah it's some sort of juxtaposition, death for life and Life for death. But to this day I have no idea why a baby, and what he did to it. There was no Dragonglass involved, he just poked it. Is it an Other now, or a Wight, or something else (the Never Born)? I have no idea, nor do I know why he wants babies. Though I think there is an all boy code for a reason with him, he is still following some Night Watch rules. I have also been thinking about the Night King and the Night Watch oath, I think there is something to it. I even wonder if he wrote it, or it was written because of him. There is something there with the Night Queen and Danny flint and no wives, or children. I wonder for him if this is like fathering Children the way Dany's dragons are here children. I'll give it some more thought later.
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Post by sercreighton on Jun 3, 2017 20:55:58 GMT -5
So, Envie , sercreighton , and @lordfriendzone Why do you think Jon and Dany are surrounded by horses in the pinwheel? And why do you think Bran and the Night's King are surrounded by trees? Why do you think Dany and the Night's King are show in the "summer"? And why do you think Bran and Jon are show in the winter? Something I forgot to mention about the horse heads. You know in the books astronomy plays a part, we have sun and moon stories, the wanderers, star gazing, the red comet, religious association etc. It actually comes up several times. So back in that early post I pointed out pinwheel Galaxy. There is a constellation known as the stallion among the Dothraki, the Wildlings have another name for it. The Horned Lord. There is one other thing, the Dothraki believe their souls become stars. So in terms of symbolism they are not horses they are stars. And what I like about the Stallion/Horndlord is that is plays on two major ideas. Perspective, something that the Wldlings Yiggy points out and I believe they are essentially one thing that is juxtaposed representing duality.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 12, 2017 21:22:41 GMT -5
Hopefully they'll recreate that shot again, with a certain lioness on the throne this time Mwahahahaha
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Post by moiaf on Jul 13, 2017 18:10:54 GMT -5
I'm confused - what diidnt click?
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Post by konradsmith on Jul 13, 2017 18:13:05 GMT -5
I'm confused - what diidnt click? I just never realize that these shots were intentional parallels, in staging and in meaning. The time he betrays his king and the time his king betrays him. And in the same episode.
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Post by Envie on Jul 14, 2017 9:41:58 GMT -5
I just never realize that these shots were intentional parallels, in staging and in meaning. The time he betrays his king and the time his king betrays him. And in the same episode. Hey that's a good one and I didn't think about it that way either. I love how we can still find these nuggets of cool comparisons and symbolism later down the road. The writers are very clever at this!
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