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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:52:34 GMT -5
I'm sure random wetnurse or Howland Reed who they don't know is more reliable than Sam and Bran who are their friends, family. But okay, continue to think so if you want to. Was Howland Reed or the random wet nurse at the wedding? Is that what you're saying? I'm talking about legitimacy. If you think a diary (which can forged) or Bran's word (because why would he lie for his brother) is enough to elevate someone to the Iron Throne, then whatever. I guess the GOT doesn't really mean anything. Jon will not be elevated to the Iron Throne because of it, it would be because of his actions just like his whole damn arc is build upon. It's not about who he is but what he has done. He was the true heir but he was raised as a bastard achieving all those things. It's just this creates angst between characters and puts relationships to the test. Bran and Sam have more credibility than you think.
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Post by Envie on Apr 19, 2019 20:33:32 GMT -5
Not sure why it's covered in Karstark sigils tho - any ideas? Did the artist confuse Ned Umber's house sigils? No, the right one for Umber is on the shield/banner at the bottom under the title. Weird.
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Post by izzue on Apr 20, 2019 11:08:52 GMT -5
The beautiful death is out. Not sure why it's covered in Karstark sigils tho - any ideas? Just that the Karstark's words are "The Sun of Winter" ... ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 11:15:53 GMT -5
Not sure why it's covered in Karstark sigils tho - any ideas? Did the artist confuse Ned Umber's house sigils? No, the right one for Umber is on the shield/banner at the bottom under the title. Weird. This was my first thought, but the Umber chains seem to be entangling the sword, so I'm guessing that it's not this. Although I honestly have no clue.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 20, 2019 11:51:40 GMT -5
Not sure why it's covered in Karstark sigils tho - any ideas? Did the artist confuse Ned Umber's house sigils? No, the right one for Umber is on the shield/banner at the bottom under the title. Weird. No, it's not just about Umber though. You have the basic ice and fire theme. Jon and Dany at the waterfall. You have the Karstark sun or starburst. Lord Umber is split with Ice and fire but if you notice where Jon and Dany are standing the symbolism is inverted, Ice and fire are flipped. At first I thought it was a mistake except the Sunbursts or Starbursts are all blue while the NK crescent moon is red and burning. Crescent moons generally represent fertility while Sun or Starbursts represent unity. You might also notice Jons cloak forms a dragons wing. Its addressing the episode and also mixing in some basic unity of opposition symbolism and inverted parallels. But what do I know about symbolism? Artist may of just liked the way it looked. Although the moon is a dead giveaway. Punk ass artist trying to slip sun and moon symbolism by me? I don't think so. You can also mix in the child symbolism, a child of ice and fire, between Jon and Dany and the NK. MoIaF will probably like that.
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Post by Envie on Apr 20, 2019 15:51:53 GMT -5
At first I thought it was a mistake except the Sunbursts or Starbursts are all blue while the NK crescent moon is red and burning. Crescent moons generally represent fertility while Sun or Starbursts represent unity. You might also notice Jons cloak forms a dragons wing. I know they have put a lot of symbolism into past posters and I always enjoy that, but this one is definitely a bit confusing with the sunburst sigil so prominent because we just saw that sigil (and the snarky comment from Tyrion) about it in the episode and while yes, I agree it's about the episode overall, there's nothing tying it to the Karstarks since nothing happened to them in the episode. They could have made the sunbursts a bit different from the Karstark sigil or something. It's just a nitpick but I'm sure we're not the only ones getting confused and thinking it's a mistake of houses on the artists part. *ETA: I will say, I do love how the sword comes down and turns red over Jon and Daenerys in an embrace. If that's not some sort of clue/foreshadowing, I don't know what else it could be.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 20, 2019 17:02:11 GMT -5
At first I thought it was a mistake except the Sunbursts or Starbursts are all blue while the NK crescent moon is red and burning. Crescent moons generally represent fertility while Sun or Starbursts represent unity. You might also notice Jons cloak forms a dragons wing. I know they have put a lot of symbolism into past posters and I always enjoy that, but this one is definitely a bit confusing with the sunburst sigil so prominent because we just saw that sigil (and the snarky comment from Tyrion) about it in the episode and while yes, I agree it's about the episode overall, there's nothing tying it to the Karstarks since nothing happened to them in the episode. They could have made the sunbursts a bit different from the Karstark sigil or something. It's just a nitpick but I'm sure we're not the only ones getting confused and thinking it's a mistake of houses on the artists part. *ETA: I will say, I do love how the sword comes down and turns red over Jon and Daenerys in an embrace. If that's not some sort of clue/foreshadowing, I don't know what else it could be. They do want you to notice the sunburst, and they did alter it to blue instead of white. Just as they turned the moon red. Inverse parallels is the theme, that's why the NK is red. The child's eyes are ice and fire. A child of ice and fire and the NK reaching out for him. Then you have the broken chains could be the Umbers sigil but there are only two and it reminds me of the NK having broken his own chains when he was a servant of the children. The boy is also posed in a famous Ned Stark pose from episode 1 season 1. A child of ice and fire, a sword, Jon and Dany, and the NK, also a strong use of water smy boils with the Waterfall. The sunburst is the symbol of unity and the moon fertility. Sun and Moon, but the colors but the elements are inverted. The sun is cold and the moon burns. unity of opposition. Go back to the boys pose. Ice was split into two swords, and there you see Jon and Dany the two who are standing against the NK. Lightbringer. And it looks like a child of ice and fire.
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Post by Envie on Apr 20, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -5
Alt-Shift-X has some great callbacks/reminders parallels here with his summary of 801:
I'd forgotten that Davos and Stannis talked about The Golden Company (and trying to hire them) back in Season 4 too. Davos does say "They've never broken a contract" ... so if The Golden Company does this time, going against Cersei (I don't think they will) - it would be a first.
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Post by breakfest on Apr 20, 2019 17:11:23 GMT -5
Yeah these posters have become so overwrought, slapping you across the face with symbolism and cramming in as many references as possible.
Just calm down and remember to make it actually look nice. Restraint is everything in graphic design.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 21, 2019 1:17:31 GMT -5
Yeah these posters have become so overwrought, slapping you across the face with symbolism and cramming in as many references as possible. Just calm down and remember to make it actually look nice. Restraint is everything in graphic design. Everything is art today man.
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Post by nikma on Apr 21, 2019 3:09:53 GMT -5
But where do you see Karstark sigil?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:23:37 GMT -5
But where do you see Karstark sigil? There’s 5 of them. One is right under the hilt of the sword. The others are on the sides in the sky with the flame arm things.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 21, 2019 12:09:27 GMT -5
You know when you look at it, it kind of looks like psychotic box of Lucky Charms, Orange spirals, red moons, blue stars, and Lucky has gotten hands on some kid.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 21, 2019 12:10:19 GMT -5
You know when you look at it, it kind of looks like psychotic box of Lucky Charms, Orange spirals, red moons, blue stars, and Lucky has gotten hands on some kid.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 21, 2019 14:05:55 GMT -5
The beautiful death is out. Not sure why it's covered in Karstark sigils tho - any ideas? Just that the Karstark's words are "The Sun of Winter" ... ? You know when you look at it, it kind of looks like psychotic box of Lucky Charms, Orange spirals, red moons, blue stars, and Lucky has gotten hands on some kid. I mentioned somewhere else how aside from the Umber sigil, the chains could be representative of Dany being the Breaker of Chains. Then Others are slavers of the dead. With Jon now they break the chains of the dead and forever end that threat.
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